Template:Did you know nominations/Monica Ross

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 23:32, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

Monica Ross

• ... that the final work of artist Monica Ross took place on the day of her death? Source: By Dint of Repetition

• Reviewed: Edgemere Landfill
• Comment: The article was started at a Wellcome workshop for the Bloomsbury Festival, where the creator was shown how to edit Wikipedia by MassiveEartha, who suggested the topic.

Created by OliviaBuckley (talk) and Andrew Davidson (talk). Nominated by Andrew Davidson (talk) at 14:24, 28 October 2018 (UTC).

• No problems, ready for DYK. New enough, long enough at 2238 characters, hook is cited and interesting, article meets policy. not a copyvio. All good. — Frayæ (Talk/Spjall) 16:45, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

• This would work better in active voice:
• ALT0a: ... that the artist Monica Ross completed her final work on the day of her death? Yoninah (talk) 01:06, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

• Since the review was done by a sock, a second review is needed here. Yoninah (talk) 00:08, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

• This article is new enough and long enough. The hook facts are interesting and cited inline, the article is neutral and I detected no copyright or close paraphrasing issues. A QPQ has been done. Good to go with the original hook, which I have tweaked to reflect the fact that it was a performance. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 07:21, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

• Hi, I came by to promote this, and did some wikifying and reorganization to bring it up to Wikipedia standards. The article still leans toward promotionalizing the subject and has few biographical details. It is also an orphan and needs to be linked in another Wikipedia article to avoid an orphan tag. Yoninah (talk) 17:44, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

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• I am fairly busy with Christmas preparations but have lately removed a {{
  cn}} tag and created a link elsewhere so that the page is not an orphan. The other issues seem rather vague and I'm not wanting to rewrite the article extensively because this would tend to undermine the work of the new editors that we are trying to encourage. I'll continue to improve the article over the coming days but we need specific, actionable points to address, please. Yoninah should please clarify the "promotionalizing" issue. Andrew D. (talk
  ) 11:05, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

• Hi, I'm also quite busy in the preparing for the holidays. I'm willing to chip in and concur with @Andrew Davidson: that clarification would be useful MassiveEartha (talk) 13:04, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

@Yoninah: Could we move this nomination along? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 07:03, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

• @Cwmhiraeth: OK, I added more refs to improve the presentation. The hook is really not accurate or sharp. I'd like to suggest a new hook:
• ALT1: ... that the culmination of Monica Ross's career and life was a five-year extended performance work which involved the recitation of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights from memory? Yoninah (talk) 23:33, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

ALT1 is a hook, line, and sinker – too long with too much exposition. It lacks the key point of the original hook, which is that her last big work was completed when she died. Let's try another form of words which seems more accurate. I'm not sure what Yoninah means by "sharp" and so haven't tried to address that. Andrew D. (talk) 23:58, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

• ALT0c: ... that the final work of artist Monica Ross was completed on the day of her death?

• OK, I'm fine with that. Do you want to add "British artist" or "British performance artist"? Yoninah (talk) 00:01, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

• No thanks, her nationality and style of art do not seem significant for the hook. I'm not even sure that we need the word "artist" but it gives some context to the word "work", so that the reader will get a general understanding of what is meant. Andrew D. (talk) 00:13, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

• OK. Back to you, Cwmhiraeth. Yoninah (talk) 00:18, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

• Thank you both. Approving hook ALT0c as being suitable. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:34, 3 January 2019 (UTC)