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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 23:26, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

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Willson Group

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  • Reviewed: Revel Transit
  • Comment: Moved to mainspace 16 September 2019.

Created by Storye book (talk). Self-nominated at 08:35, 21 September 2019 (UTC).

  • @Storye book: This article is new enough and long enough. The hook facts for ALT0 are cited inline, the article is neutral and I detected no copyright or plagiarism issues. ALT1 is mentioned but not cited in the lead, and I suppose the section "Leeds Fine Art Society Executive Committee" is about it, but I see no cited sentence that actually states that the committee did found the gallery. A QPQ is needed. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 18:24, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Thank you for the review. I have expanded the "Leeds Fine Art Society Executive Committee" section to clarify the committee's development and who did what, with citations - these things are never clear cut, bearing in mind that the process took over ten years. I have worded the header more carefully to reflect this, and added citations. I have struck ALT1 and I'll add ALT2 below, in line with the above. I shall do the QPQ shortly.
  • ALT2: ... that the committee which initiated the movement for founding Leeds Art Gallery included artist John Atkinson Grimshaw and tannery owner John Joseph Willson of the Willson Group of artists? "Proposed fine art exhibition in Leeds". Leeds Mercury. British Newspaper Archive. 30 May 1879. p. 6 col2. Retrieved 15 September 2019. Storye book (talk) 12:02, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Update: QPQ done (see above). Storye book (talk) 12:36, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Thank you. The QPQ has been done and ALT0 and ALT2 are approved. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 13:06, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Update: Thank you for the review. Just letting you know that I have discovered that the article's sources are contradictory as to the full name of J.J. Willson (they use both "John James" and "John Joseph"). I have therefore corrected his name in the hooks and throughout the article to "John J." or "J.J," bearing in mind that he was known publicly as J.J. Willson, and he signed his art "J.J. Willson." I have sent for all available bmd certificates for the Willson Group, and will update the article as appropriate when they arrive. I am happy for the DYK process to continue uninterrupted by this, if you agree. Thank you. Storye book (talk) 18:19, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Yet another update (apologies!) The name issue is now resolved. He was John Joseph. Hopefully there will be no more name changes. I have updated all the hooks. Storye book (talk) 12:07, 23 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Hi, I came by to promote this, but I'm wondering if the bolded link in the hook should redirect to the family rather than the individual (otherwise it looks like the article is about him). Also, why is the page named Willson Group rather than Willson family? Yoninah (talk) 21:33, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Firstly, only John Joseph Willson and his father ever ran the tannery while it was connected with the Group/family, and his father was never part of the group. It was John Joseph Willson who as acting senior partner made the tannery the biggest in the country. "Group" refers to the fact that they were a group of artists, who had sufficient influence to initiate the building of Leeds Art Gallery. Leeds Art Gallery and Leeds museum staff are very keen to learn more about this set of artists, and are very grateful for this article.
  • Secondly, the portrait of George Corson is shortly to be rescued from storage after many years and shown to the public, apparently with a publicity fanfare. To understand the artist of that portrait, it is necessary to see Michael A.H. Willson as part of the Group. This is an article mainly about a group of artists, whether or not they are a family. The search is on for images of more of their paintings, and when we have more, the article will perhaps make more immediate sense as an art article, although all those lists of paintings should give a clue already.
  • Thirdly, the portrait of George Corson is quite important, as he is one of the two best-known architects of Victorian Leeds, and the article partly helps to show how the portrait came to be. The Group knew him through their art, they knew him because he was their landlord at Ballamona, and very likely because architect W.H. Thorp, who was on committees with JJ Willson, worked with Corson; they both regularly did major work for Leeds Council. (That bit is not spelled out in the article - I am waiting for the newspaper citations which will, I hope, materialise when the Corson portrait comes out of hiding.) But however you look at the Willsons, it always comes back to art. I hope that helps.
  • I have adjusted the bold link in ALT0 and ALT2 to lead directly to the John Joseph Willson section of the article. I hope that is OK now? Storye book (talk) 22:07, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Storye book, I'm not sure what most of your response has to do with the proposed hooks. Do you want to propose a different hook?
  • I've never seen a piped link to a bolded article. Can't you say "John Joseph Willson of the Willson Group of artists or something like that? Yoninah (talk) 22:14, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Your first point: you asked, "why is the page named Willson Group rather than Willson family?" so I was attempting to answer that. I am happy with the hooks as they are. Your second point: I have adjusted both hooks as per your suggestion. Storye book (talk) 22:23, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
  • @Storye book: thank you. But should "group" be lowercase? Is this a proper name? Yoninah (talk) 22:42, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
  • OK, thanks for all your help. I can view the source for ALT0 and am thus restoring the tick with a green icon. Rest of review per Cwmhiraeth. Yoninah (talk) 23:24, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
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