Template talk:Harold Pinter
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Italicisation or not
I did not know about that, is it a guideline? I couldn't find anything about it anywhere, Of course if Pinter is not credited then perhaps the screenplay shouldn't be in the template? Jezhotwells (talk) 00:43, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
See the articles on the films
Added the source re: Pinter's unpublished screenplay for ]
Punctuation rules for rendering titles of unpublished works may be found in various
]All screenplays written by Pinter (and held in his
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In addition to the 3 vols. of published screenplays by Pinter, some are published separately; e.g., his screenplay for ]
- OK, I am trying to get my head around this - "The Remains of the Day" is unpublished - but in italics? "The Tragedy of King Lear" is in quotes and italics - what does that mean? Is there some significance in whether quotes are applied or not? Where can I find a description of how to use this? Some titles are un-italicised, some are un-italicised and in quotes, some are italicised, some are italicised and in quotes. that is 4 variants and I can't figure out what the differences are. Please explain as above you are just mentioning italicisation. Jezhotwells (talk)
- Please see the edit summary; there was an errant italics mark that created a problem; I corrected it some time ago (i.e., removed the single set of ''). --talk) 00:45, 7 May 2009 (UTC)]]
- Please see the edit summary; there was an errant italics mark that created a problem; I corrected it some time ago (i.e., removed the single set of ''). --
- OK, I am trying to get my head around this - "The Remains of the Day" is unpublished - but in italics? "The Tragedy of King Lear" is in quotes and italics - what does that mean? Is there some significance in whether quotes are applied or not? Where can I find a description of how to use this? Some titles are un-italicised, some are un-italicised and in quotes, some are italicised, some are italicised and in quotes. that is 4 variants and I can't figure out what the differences are. Please explain as above you are just mentioning italicisation. Jezhotwells (talk)
To answer the questions above
- Italics are used for titles of published works that are novels, films, published screenplays of films; quotation marks are used to indicate titles of short stories and of other works of short prose fiction (generally including dramatic sketches), of poems (except for very long poems, like the Iliad, etc.), speeches (such as Pinter's Nobel Lecture, "Art, Truth and Politics"; the title of the published volume containing it is indicated as Art, Truth and Politics), and so on.
- Though quotation marks are used for titles of (dramatic) sketches (and/or short works of prose fiction, e.g., monologues), I have found some recent published critical studies of Pinter's works are using italics for titles of dramatic sketches [i.e, treating them as titles of plays]. Because that convention may be in flux, I am retaining use of italics for published dramatic sketches (see edit. summ. done on 5/5/09). (updated.) --talk) 00:45, 7 May 2009 (UTC)]
- [Added later for others' convenience:] Additional information: from sections on "Italicized Titles" (3.8.2) and "Titles in Quotation Marks" (3.8.3): "Italicize the names of books, plays, poems published as books, pamphlets, periodicals (newspapers, magazines, and journals), Web sites, online databases, films, television and radio broadcasts, compact discs, audiocassettes, record albums, dance performances, operas and other long musical compositions (except those identified simply by form, number, and key; see 3.8.5), paintings, works of sculpture, ships, aircraft, and spacecraft. … [Eliding 21 examples given.]" Quotation marks are used for "titles of unpublished manuscripts of any length" (talk) 23:11, 6 May 2009 (UTC)]]
- I am retaining the use of quotation marks for titles of unpublished screenplays [manuscripts] by Pinter, as the titles of released films are rendered with italics. [Though one or two critical sources use italics for Pinter's unpublished screenplays for (already released) films (films based on others' screenplays), that is generally not correct.] Wikipedia's own Manual of Style (talk) 23:11, 6 May 2009 (UTC)]]
- But the titles of unpublished works (unpublished screenplays, in this case) are not italicized; such titles are placed within quotation marks (to indicate that the works remain unpublished; if they become published, that would change).
- [Please note: In the case of The Harold Pinter Archive in the British Library and/or to drafts sent to the writers of the articles.)]
- For further information, please consult style guides, as listed in the talk) 23:11, 6 May 2009 (UTC)]]