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You're right - I did confuse, but I don't think it changes my argument. The thing is, there are loads of articles about the Book of Revelation; I don't see why we would single out just this one. It is, of course, already in Template:Book of Revelation. It's the same with the Gospel of John: we already have Template:Gospel of John, Template:Content of John, and Template:Chapters in the Gospel of John. As far as collapsing goes, that's obviously more stylistic - perhaps we'd need to find a few more opinions on that. StAnselm (talk) 00:02, 25 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @StAnselm: I agree there are a lot of John-related templates. I personally don't think that "Content" and "Chapters" are necessary, especially having "Gospel". They seem redundant, both with each other and with the "Gospel" navbox. I'll initiate AfDs on those soon, to see if anyone else agrees strongly enough to merit deletion.

But I don't think a selection of the more important Revelation links (like the main article and overview of "

Third

Epistle links. By analogy, the latter three aren't really any more redundant than p/S/G/e. If you think the prologue and epilogue aren't important enough, I could see just doing Signs and Glory. Are you still strongly opposed to inclusion?

As for hiding the sections, I think given some of the transclusion contexts, it really ought to be done. In a few of the shorter articles, and some articles where both {{John}} and {{Paul}} are transcluded, it's borderline unmanageable. These are meant to be helpful, not a nuisance. Would you be okay with me restoring the relevant formatting from my previous edits? Best, —

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Yes, I still object to the collapsing - I see

Johannine Christianity to the bottom. The template has no business linking to Apostle (Christian) - that article doesn't contain much specifically on John at all. (Paul, at least, gets his own section on that page.) StAnselm (talk) 09:44, 26 June 2016 (UTC)[reply

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I can get behind moving JC to the bottom and removing the Communities section, and just made those edits. (FWIW, it was there before I got here.) What are your latest thoughts on Events and Signs/Glory?

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My latest thought is write the

Book of Glory article first. I would probably have Prologue/Book of Signs/Book of Glory (I note that there is "widespread agreement" that this is the structure of the gospel), omitting the epilogue as not significant enough for a template. The thing is, we still don't have an article specifically on the Prologue (I think that term would be a lot more common than "Hymn to the Word") - only a more general article on John 1. So I think we should write the article before we add them in to this template. StAnselm (talk) 10:01, 26 June 2016 (UTC)[reply

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Having it written first is reasonable. (FYI, there's a draft of Glory in my userspace at User:Jujutsuan/Book of Glory; it's mostly just copied from Book of Signs with a few preliminary changes made. It's far from complete.)

Actually, there is something on the prologue,

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No, it's not the Prologue at all, and I don't think it deserves to be on this template. But it is an important verse does does deserve its own article, and it is rightly included on the Gospel of John template. StAnselm (talk) 18:46, 26 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]