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Your question re: above...

I've never submitted a new article developed from scratch, so I can't really comment on the usual reception. With the caveat that I don't have ready access to the sources you listed, I would say I don't understand the reason given for rejecting the article; it does seem to properly summarize secondary, reliable sources (although with a seeming over-reliance on just two of them). I notice several formatting issues (most noticeably the reference for a section title), and a couple of places I would jiggle the phrasing a bit, but nothing terribly major.

However, my main observation is that the article left me with the question, "why is this a separate article?" Unless the text written so far is merely part of an intended major expansion, it appears that the Report itself doesn't need an article, but the information, to the extent it is not already included, would be useful to incorporate into the First Bank of the United States article.

(Yes, I remember dime calls; particularly – and unfortunately – associated in memory with the

Kitty Genovese case, after which there was a movement for people to wear a dime as a pendant around their neck to symbolize a pledge to call for help in similar emergencies.) Fat&Happy (talk) 01:54, 12 January 2013 (UTC)[reply
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"why is this a separate article?" - My understanding, based on the sources cited, is that each Report topic (Credit, Bank, Manufacturing) were separately submitted by Alexander Hamilton, and each provoked a distinct set of reactions and controversies, each in an evolving political environment. They are treated, by my sources, in separate chapters, or, if not, certainly under unique sections.
The failure to enumerate them has led to confusion in the Wiki articles. Example: The existing Second Report on Public Credit is not part of the three early reports (1790-1791), but was submitted by Hamilton in 1795. If you look at the existing article, it conflates this late report with the earlier Report on a National Bank, precisely the article I am attempting to have listed.
The availability of separate articles will serve to obviate this confusion. Do you see? 36hourblock (talk) 20:23, 15 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Deleting your page

Dear 36hourblock: I am a fairly new editor myself, and have never deleted a page. I have referred your problem to Wikipedia:Teahouse, which is monitored by experts who can surely help you. If you go to that page you should see your text there. I have asked for help there many times; they are great! It's too bad that you went to all that work for nothing. —Anne Delong (talk) 17:07, 30 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Bank War

Why did you say that mention of the expunging of Jackson's censure is irrelevant? When I took a class on Jacksonian American one night was dedicated to the Bank War, and at the end of class my professor told us how the censure was expunged. The article as written says that censure was the "last hurrah" for pro-bank forces, so shouldn't it be mentioned that their "last hurrah" was taken away too, reflecting the historical fact that their defeat in the Bank War was complete? The article as currently written suggests that the censure of Jackson was successful, which it obviously wasn't, and when the record was expunged it meant that the censure never legally happened. All I ask is that a simple comment that the censure was later expunged be added to the article in as neutral terms as possible, something like a parenthetical note saying, "and the censure was later expunged." Emperor001 (talk) 00:06, 26 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Never mind. I saw your comment on the Bank War's talk page. Sorry for not checking that first. Emperor001 (talk) 00:16, 26 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Tariff of 1789

I understand your concern about the size of the section that I added (Economic Conditions Prior to Passage) but please note how the article before I edited it had removed any reference to Section 1 - " . . .and the encouragement and protection of manufactures . . ." This omission I suspect was not by oversight. Historians of the "free trade" bias have consistently throughout U.S. history attempted to portray the founding fathers as being for "free trade" and opposed to "protection" and try to paint the Tariff Act of 1789 as merely a revenue tariff. I see this bias present here. I quote founding fathers and manufacturing groups present at the time that the legislation was drafted to show that more than just revenue was the concern (I didn't even mention the drain of specie from the 13 states due to the trade deficit with England and the impact that had on events such as Shays Rebellion).

This bias also exists in the other articles, i.e. "Tariffs in United States history". There the authors went so far as to ignore the first (Tariff Act of 1789) and only refere to the revised Tariff of 1790. Also note that article also attempted to portray the first tariff as simply a revenue tariff. It also only refered to the U.S. Constitution where it grants Congress power to tax but completely avoided "To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations . . ." all of which I just added and am waiting to see how long it takes before they start getting removed.

It took me over 3 years of this kind of biased censoring to get the Smoot-Hawley Tariff article to achieve some small degree of balance (for some specific examples see the Smoot-Hawley talk page). The entire section, "Tariff levels" in the Smoot-Hawley section is mine and has been quoted in debates on U.S. trade policy on the net - with caution - as Wiki has a poor reputation for accuracy - which I personally can attest to.

This pro-free trade bias is dominant here among Wiki editors to the point of slanting articles to include unfounded pro free trade dogma and exclude documented protectionist history.

If you wish for me to cut down the size of the quotes I can agree to that. I'd prefere to leave them as evidence of the true situation that the pro-free trade biased editors would be more than happy to have Wiki users not know anything about.

I personally never remove material. I'm here to inform - not censor. Let the reader decide.Machinehead61 (talk) 00:12, 17 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Chappaquiddick

Many thanks for kindly sending me answers to my queries on the relevant Talk-page. Curiouser and curiouser, as Lewis Carroll put it. I still don't see how he crossed over to his hotel on Martha's Vineyard without walking past reception dripping wet! But the debate continues... Valetude (talk) 13:44, 30 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The question you ask is relevant. Cutler and Joesten answer it this way: Kennedy never swam across the bay. His abductors transported him via boat to Edgartown from the south shore of Chappaquiddick Island and escorted to his room at the Shiretown Inn. Kopechne was being "groomed" elsewhere for a different fate. According to these revisionists, the story about the heroic swim was concocted by Kennedy and Paul Markham when they wrote up the statement at the Edgartown police headquarters. 36hourblock (talk) 17:39, 30 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I think we can agree that Kennedy's version, easily accessible on public-domain video, lacks any credibility. (The guy wasn't even a good liar.) But how did he claim he got back to the hotel, where everyone knows he slept that night? Valetude (talk) 01:09, 1 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Cutler and Joesten agree with you: Kennedy lied in his report to the Edgartown police and at the inquest.

Kennedy said he walked back to his room from the bay. Only one person, the night manager at the Shiretown Inn, testified that he encountered Kennedy, but did not see him - he recognized the voice of the man he had an exchange with standing at the top of the darkened stairway - when he heard Kennedy's voice on TV the next day. That "everyone knows [where] he slept that night" has not been confirmed beyond that testimony.

According to the "frame-up" hypothesis, Kennedy's testimony provides no useful insights into understanding what happened that night. Cutler and Joesten present Kennedy's statements as primary evidence that something entirely different took place. They offer their own scenario, based on the assumption that Edward Kennedy's two older brothers, JFK and RFK, had thwarted powerful financial and political interests who planned and carried out their assassinations. The theorists I've cited have surmised that a third murder of the only surviving brother by a "lone nut" would provoke a demand among Americans for an independent investigation of these events, and Martin Luther King Jr.'s as well. They settled, rather, to destroy his political career. This is the thesis of the Chappaquiddick Conspiracy Theory.

Whether it's

mass hysteria, or the gospel truth, it's a fascinating tale. You decide. 36hourblock (talk) 21:26, 2 December 2013 (UTC)[reply
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Thank you, 36. It is refreshing to receive courteous and well-reasoned replies, in the best traditions of civilized debate. Valetude (talk) 17:55, 5 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Chappaquiddick again (!)

Many thanks for your helpful provision of the Cutler- Joesten material on the Talk Page, which I have found most helpful.

I have added another small section which has popped-up under Cutler-Joesten ‘Cited In Footnotes’, which wasn’t intended. Are you able to re-position this as a separate section? Thanking in advance. Valetude (talk) 16:32, 3 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Talk:United States presidential election, 1844

You might want to change the first pipe ("|") following "Subst" for the GAN template to a colon (":"). I'd do it myself, but discovered last time that going back and fixing things so you show up properly everywhere as the nominator instead of me is more trouble than dropping you this quick note up front... Fat&Happy (talk) 22:23, 18 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Much obliged. 36hourblock (talk) 18:52, 20 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Your
United States presidential election, 1844

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article

criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Adam Cuerden -- Adam Cuerden (talk) 01:40, 21 February 2014 (UTC)[reply
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Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article

criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Bryanrutherford0 -- Bryanrutherford0 (talk) 18:42, 21 March 2014 (UTC)[reply
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The article Texas annexation you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Texas annexation for comments about the article. Well done! Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Bryanrutherford0 -- Bryanrutherford0 (talk) 01:41, 22 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, congratulations on the GA, I have nominated it for Did you know, which will hopefully result in the article appearing on the main page. The link is Template:Did you know nominations/Texas annexation. Thanks, Matty.007 08:39, 22 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Matty - My thanks! 36hourblock (talk) 02:32, 26 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I'm more than happy to nominate an alternative hook, but given that you know infinitely more on the subject than I do, would you mind proposing one on the nom page please? Thanks, Matty.007 12:22, 29 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]


DYK for Texas annexation