User talk:47.222.203.135/Archive 3

Page contents not supported in other languages.
Source: Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

A barnstar for you!

The Special Barnstar
Either way (see above) - your dedication to helping new Wikipedia editors is outstanding. You're an asset to the project, and you fill me with renewed confidence in the community. Thank you -- Samtar talk · contribs 14:00, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
Much appreciated, thanks 47.222.203.135 (talk) 14:04, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

Hi

the sound of the tune by Van Halen

I was wondering whether previous IPs of yours began with 74 and 75? Yngvadottir (talk) 05:14, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

Seems unlikely, I have to say. I mean, look, it says 47 right on the tin. So I'm the opposite of 74 more or less. But I like the picture on your talkpage, so probably we'll get along fine :-) 47.222.203.135 (talk) 05:19, 20 January 2017 (UTC)
I vaguely remember getting along swimmingly with another IP contributor who had static IP addresses for a period of time. They even coached me through a less-than-ideal situation here - was that yourself? -- Samtar talk · contribs 13:53, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
Hi samtar, as you know us anons only have a memory that goes back until the start of our most-recent-editing history. So although it is possible that I knew you in a previous wiki-life, that seems a distant past now....  :-)
I see you are an admin, congrats. And I have run into you in my current incarnation, I noticed that you (properly) declined to implement G3 of an incorrect (but good faith) deletion-attempt of a draftspace that I am now somewhat-tangentially working on. So thanks for that, and I'm sure that in your previous capacity you dealt honourably with whatever Less Than Ideal situation you might be referencing. No matter, live in the now is my motto, and there is still plenty to do here on wikipedia, even for those of us with technologically-constrained wiki-memories :-) 47.222.203.135 (talk) 14:04, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
I managed to track down what I believe was your previous incarnation (Yngvadottir is on the right track), but you're right - let's live in the now :-) thank you for your kind words. As for the G3, not a problem - the draft's subject in question has had a rocky history here, and the unfortunate drama it's deletion caused is regrettable. I'm glad you're working with the editor, and I look forward to seeing a new improved article soon! Feel free to drop by any time -- Samtar talk · contribs 14:11, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
There are three beginner-wikipedians actually (that have survived the wiki-trauma thus far), and in the process of digging for sources we have generated a few new articles and expanded others. So it is as usual, three
two steps backward. A very strange wiki-ecosystem we live in, methinks.... 47.222.203.135 (talk
) 15:05, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Goldfinger v. Feintuch has been accepted

grading scheme
to see how you can improve the article.

You are more than welcome to continue making quality contributions to Wikipedia. You may wish to consider registering an account so you can create articles yourself.

Thank you for helping improve Wikipedia!

MatthewVanitas (talk) 01:53, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

Your submission at
Fazaga v. FBI
has been accepted

grading scheme
to see how you can improve the article.

You are more than welcome to continue making quality contributions to Wikipedia. You may wish to consider registering an account so you can create articles yourself.

Thank you for helping improve Wikipedia!

joe deckertalk 15:51, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Oleg Atbashian (February 14)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Justlettersandnumbers was:
This submission is not suitable for Wikipedia. Please read 'What Wikipedia is not' for more information.
 The comment the reviewer left was:
This is nowhere near ready to become a Wikipedia article. It contains a mass of irrelevant stuff about the People's Cube, a topic I believe we have decided not to have an article about, so that needs to be removed, as does a lot more irrelevant stuff about something called "Communists for Kerry". The references are illegible/incomprehensible because they are stuffed with
notable
by Wikipedia standards. A possible approach might be to ditch this overblown screed completely, identify six or eight reliable sources which cover Atbashian in some depth, and write six or eight short sentences based on them. If notability is clearly demonstrated, that short page might be more easily be accepted than this long one.
Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.
Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 20:09, 14 February 2017 (UTC)
All I can say is,
lack of sources
. That was then. This is now. I've found the sources, with help from some of the COI-encumbered folks and other AfD participants.
The reason for the big section on Communists for Kerry, is that Atbashian was the co-founder, and was the primary person in charge of the group's website (which lasted beyond the election cycle until 2006 at least). Similarly, Atbashian was the sole founder of The People's Cube website, and has run it for over a decade now. As a short story writer, and as a poetry translator, Atbashian has a couple of namedrops, where his work was published. But he is
WP:N
because of his political activism, through the groups he co-founded, and the artwork and political satire he has done via those groups/websites. They are why Atbashian is 'Notable' in the wikipedia sense.
As for your other complaint, I disagree that the quotes are soapboxing, they are just there to help you
WP:SOURCES said, but apparently you are not the only one who dislikes the aesthetics. Another person mistakenly thought they were copyvio!  :-)    I've been working on separating the |quote= and the |translator1= portions into a details-section, but I got hung up on some wikimarkup errors. I have some userspace samples which work fine, but have not been able to make the non-example reflists function error-free. I will remove that stuff for now, and then resubmit. 47.222.203.135 (talk
) 21:05, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

Problematic article

I got the impression from somewhere that you are experienced in finding third-party references for articles about businesses. I've had a bit of a problem with Frost & Sullivan regarding its awards program, and it seems to me that what the article really needs, particularly there, is outsider references, but I'm both poorly equipped to find them and swamped with tasks. See the talk page for specifics. If you could help, I'd be grateful. Yngvadottir (talk) 02:26, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

Sure, I have filled up the article-talkpage per request  :-)
I will circle back and see if I can incorporate the refs I found, but yes, this is one of those cases where you have to really fight to get through all the PR-reprints and find the stuff that is about
WP:RS that I've seen, similar to Gartner albeit less famous. 47.222.203.135 (talk
) 14:25, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
Okay, I am going to go mess with f&s when I have a moment in a few hours. I also see from your talkpage that you take photographs in San Francisco, if you are willing to watch television, there is an article on Wayne Freedman that needs a portrait. And some refs apparently according to my wiki-friend Snit333 from draftspace, whom I also need to get cracking on, since I'm falling behind :-) 47.222.203.135 (talk) 21:59, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

Your submission at
On The Planet of Bottled Brains
has been accepted

grading scheme
to see how you can improve the article.

You are more than welcome to continue making quality contributions to Wikipedia. You may wish to consider registering an account so you can create articles yourself.

Thank you for helping improve Wikipedia!

Onel5969 TT me 18:00, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Oleg Atbashian (March 19)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Winged Blades of Godric was:
This submission's references do not adequately show the subject's notability. Wikipedia requires significant coverage about the subject in
notable
and worthy of inclusion in an encyclopedia. If additional reliable sources cannot be found for the subject, then it may not be suitable for Wikipedia at this time.
 The comment the reviewer left was:
Please decrease the number of refs at the earliest.avoid needless ref-bombing.
Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.
Winged Blades Godric 13:54, 19 March 2017 (UTC)

Oleg

This section is for divvying up the workload. If you have no work, don't stay idle waiting around for me, just pick something that needs doing from

WP:TIAD which applies to the WP:Articles for deletion/Communists for Kerry discussion-thread, I will attempt to give pointers and hints to my fellow wikipedians, especially those who are relative beginners hereabouts. 47.222.203.135 (talk
) 11:32, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

Powderday

Is working on Draft:People's Cube at the moment. I have analyzed the sources being used there, and put them into rough "quality" groups at the following old revision of that talkpage:

That includes the following subsections, among others:

  • Despite the publisher, sources which are PROBABLY not useful
  • Very probably not useful:
  • Not useful
  • Despite the publisher, sources which are definitively NOT useful for these articles

Please take out your wiki-axe, and in the

WP:COATRACK for all sorts of stuff. 47.222.203.135 (talk
) 11:37, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

My wiki axe is dripping blood! Powderday (talk) 20:44, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
Yes, but it had to be done. Thank you 47.222.203.135 (talk) 21:11, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
Just finished a major "thinning" of the TPC draft. I must say it lost a lot of content... true and valuable content for people who want to learn something about satire and media in the current political climate ... but alas... Powderday (talk) 20:44, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
It may have been true, but if it is not sourced to
WP:SPINOFF articles, that is well and good. But if you want to add stuff into the TPC article, it has to be on-topic stuff, and sourced. That is why TPC was deleted, it was too full of non-RS-coatrack, for anybody to be able to even see sources like Neil deGrass Tyson buried in the muck. Which is a great source, by the way, it will help prove WP:Notability
is met.
Some minor remarks:
A statement such as ' TPC articles appear regularly on Frontpage": how can you "substantiate" this claim without linking to some articles? Powderday (talk) 20:44, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
You cannot, until and unless
WP:RS author makes it noteworthy-in-the-wikipedia-sense... by noting it, and publishing their note. 47.222.203.135 (talk
) 21:11, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
I left the Fareed zakaria thing, because I'm still not sure (see my question in the talk page of the TPC draft) whether this can be just discarded as being not notable, but feel free to give your opinion. Powderday (talk) 20:44, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
I has to come out. It is
WP:RS will connect TPC to Zakaria, at which point *that* source which actually explicitly *makes* the connection, can be added to the Draft:People's Cube body-prose. But not until then. 47.222.203.135 (talk
) 21:11, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
Thanks once more for your clarification. However, if you look carefully at the youtube video of Zakaria live on cnn, you can see the TPC website in the background (a blurred out version, but nonetheless clearly recognizable if you know the website). Is this a legitimate connection or not? thanks for your input, Powderday (talk) 21:17, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
Yes, I noticed that as well. Which was clever of me, but is very 100% definitely
WP:PROVEIT
, for instance.
Fundamentally, the biggest problem with the now-deleted wikipedia article about
WP:N for him as a topic. Not that his article needs such help, he has plenty of 'independent' refs (mostly his fellow journalists!) discussing him-qua-him. 47.222.203.135 (talk
) 21:50, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
I could not find enough references to the "canadian" source, as of yet (some older links are dead). I'll look again at some other time, so I deleted it. Powderday (talk) 20:44, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
Which 'canada' source are you talking about?
canada.com, https://web.archive.org/web/20120118145225/http://www.canada.com/theprovince/news/editorial/story.html?id=47798a07-e084-4ef3-8140-f832d4a18d10 "A game that no one ever loses makes a perfect statement about our times" from 2008-01-16... did you figure out who the author of the piece was? 47.222.203.135 (talk
) 21:11, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
Postmedia News subsidiary of Postmedia Network Inc. Unfortunately the name 'John Martin' is extremely common, though I don't see any Canadian criminologist in the disambiguation page, there *was* a John Martin (Canadian broadcaster) who died in 2006, a couple years before this editorial was published. 47.222.203.135 (talk
) 21:23, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
Mmmmh, can not find anything about the "syndicated journalist" thing. The email adress linked to the "the province" article apparently does not refer to the broadcaster who died in 2006. Maybe we best let this one slide for the while.Powderday (talk) 21:29, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
Yeah, what we need to move that canada.com URL, from the
WP:RS in January 2017 which says such a thing, but by January 2027 quite possibly their will be such an RS. Make sense? 47.222.203.135 (talk
) 21:50, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
Will gladly help but the frightening three dimensional space called "reality" is sucking me in for the coming 12 hours or so. I'll check back tomorrow on this page and will gladly work on an "assignment". Thank you for your efforts, Powderday (talk) 22:12, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
No worries, I will divvy up some refs into three small piles, after Snit333 and myself get finished with what we can get through. Or if I fail to do so, just pick one of the ones marked (in a hidden
html comment on the Draft_talk:Oleg Atbashian page once you click 'edit' there) as being "not assigned". It looks like Snit333 is getting some good work done, whereas I have only gotten through ThePlutoFiles and a second FoxNews ref myself, so I best play ketchup. W ketchup, that is  ;-) 47.222.203.135 (talk
) 22:24, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
Damn this stuff is addicting. Did some unsigned links, rest is for tomorrow. Powderday (talk) 22:29, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
The following is a public service announcement of the
Wikipedia Abuser's Association
.
Friend, are you
WP:ADDICTED
? Here's how to find out!
Having
edit
?
If this sounds like YOU, friend, perhaps it is time to take our
WP:CRAZYTEST
.
Don't delay! Becoming a
WP:WIKIHOLIC
may be the last off-wiki thing you ever do!
The preceding was a public service announcement of the
Wikipedia Abuser's Association
.
Thank you for your attention, and happy editing ;-) 47.222.203.135 (talk) 22:56, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

Snit333

Here to help. - message in section - you definitely SHOULD be commenting Snit333 (talk) 04:12, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

Our most pressing concern is trying to analyze which of the 'probably or possible useful' barelinks are ACTUALLY going to be useful. To be useful, the particular source must have the following attributes: 1) complete independence from Oleg/CFK/TPC which means not published by nor written by anyone affiliated with Oleg/CFK/TPC, 2) published in
WaPo newspaper or BBC television or Museum of Modern Art art reviews or Harvard University academia papers or whatnot, 3) specifically and explicitly about Oleg/CFK/TPC by name, at least one of their names but preferably all three, 4) and VERY preferably goes into some depth multiple sentences or multiple paragraphs and ideally has Oleg/CFK/TPC in the title of the piece. 47.222.203.135 (talk
) 11:32, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
Can you please check the following pieces, and convert them from bare URLs into a full Template:cite_web thing including the |quote= param. Definitely do NOT just paste the entire prose of the news-item into the |quote= parameter, just excerpt the key portions which are specifically ABOUT either Oleg or TPC or CFK.
You can see how I've done it, with the piece by Jane Roh, and the one by Alicia Colon, and the one by
WP:TEAHOUSE and often-faster WP:IRC wikipedia-en-help channel if I don't respond promptly. 47.222.203.135 (talk
) 11:32, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
Okay, thank you for your hard work Snit333, if you have time to work on additional links, here is a new batch for you:
After that it gets steeper, deadlinks mostly, and digging through books.google.com to find new stuff which eluded us thus far. Let me know if you have any issues or questions or whatever. 47.222.203.135 (talk) 23:47, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
  • The Scotsman and Atlantic links were completed Jan 17. I notice the discussion regarding John Martin and the Canadian link The Province and spent some time last night tracking down the author of the article, John Martin. (BTW: He's alive and well) I have his current email but not sure exactly what, if anything, I should do beyond this point.Snit333 (talk) 17:47, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
For starters, please don't give out Martin's email (or other identifying details like street address or telephone or whatnot) here on wikipedia, per
Time.com
picture-caption-thing that Atbashian provided, and have gotten close to where it needs to be. It is a good ref, albeit a brief one in terms of depth, because it shows that even in 2005 the CFK work from the 2004 election was still having repercussions.
As for ongoing assignments (voluntary of course! per
WP:VOLUNTEERS), the Scotsman was the last easy job, I have no other low-hanging fruit to assign you Snit333
. You are thus henceforth a free agent -- our main job is diving into the pile of deadrefs, and seeing if we can find a live/moved/archived/backup copy of some type, at present. I will be working them simultaneously, but it is okay if we duplicate each other's steps -- one of us may find something the other missed.
Like you, I have looked into the
WP:RS
-compliant sources elsewhere.
WP:GOLDENRULE usually, in the strict sense of wiki-policy, but it does tend to help sway people on the fence I've found. But concentrate only on stuff that was picked up and published by 'Reliable' bluelinked publishers, and not blogposts and other anonymous/pseudonymous efforts, since that is more crucial material. 47.222.203.135 (talk
) 18:59, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
47.222, A final note on the Canadian link to John Martin's article: Prof. Martin had a regular weekly column in The Province I'll keep his email and other info in my personal files in case they are needed. Will be checking some middle-of-the-pile items later tonight and post results. --Snit333 (talk) 22:27, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
  • 47.222 Here's a link to the 3rd Ed. Copyright Law... Open the book and search "Oleg" - page 51 shows the reference you wanted. Snit333 (talk) 22:36, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
Thanks Snit333, answered over there, but appreciate you pinging me over here. Drop a note here on my usertalk anytime you want to joggle my elbow about something, or it looks like I've dropped the ball and forgotten to loop back to something. 47.222.203.135 (talk) 14:07, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

this section break was approved via
all the correct procedures

  • 47.222 I see you've mopped up the over-abundance of reference verbiage at Draft:Oleg - looks good. Let me know if there's something I can help with in my "spare" time. :-) --Snit333 (talk) 13:47, 26 March 2017 (UTC)

Hi

one thing at a time
, and stay cool no matter what, is the best mindset. The article-history retains all the refs & notes that were deleted, so it will be fine to add them back later, if consensus they are helpful improvement can be achieved.

mostly-up-to-date Oleg/CFK/TPC sourcelist
  • kept + W. W. Norton 2010/2014 book (discusses 2006 work by TPC), by Neil deGrasse Tyson, ~13 sentences of analysis (across 3 pages) on TPC (not duped)
  • kept + (Jan23), U.Colo.Boulder 2015 graduate-level reader (discusses 2008 work by Oleg+TPC), by professor Laurie Gries Ph.D, ~9++ sentences of analysis (across 4 pages) on Oleg+TPC (not duped)
  • ?DEL_? + Vintage Books 2009 book by Michael J. Casey, ~6 sentences total on Oleg+TPC
  • kept + New Republic 2004 magazine, two pieces, one by Sasha Polakow-Suransky with ~3 sentences on CFK (not duped) plus longer previous piece of unclear depth on CFK (also not duped?)
  • kept NYSun 2006 newspaper, ~5 sentences on CFK (not duped)
  • kept WaPo 2012, ~6 sentences by David Fahrenthold on TPC (not duped)
  • (del?) (new) Tony Marrero (staff writer); Natalie Watson (staff researcher) (August 10, 2010). "Jason Sager slams Richard Nugent's tactics in District 5 Congressional primary". Tampa Bay Times. ~~5 sentences
  • (del?) (new) Marc Caputo (Miami Herald); Amy Hollyfield (Times Staff Writer) (August 30, 2011). "Mike McCalister aide dressed up like Che Guevara". Tampa Bay Times. ~~4.5 sentences + two images
  • kept (new) Robert Wilonsky (September 9, 2004). "The Right's Stuff". Dallas Observer. ~~4.5 sentences narrative + lead photo
  • (del?) MTV 2004 television, ~4 sentences on CFK (not duped)
  • (del?) American Library Association 2012 book, by Kenneth Crews, four imagefiles and ~3 sentences on their fair use status
  • kept intl The Scotsman 2004 with ~2or3 sentences on CFK (maybe duped?)
  • (del?) intl Oxford University Press paper by Barbie Zelizer Ph.D. with ~2.5 sentences on 2006 TPC parody of NYT (not duped); Snopes.com coverage (and About.com also) of the same 2006 parody of the NYT (not duped)
  • (del?) (new) Frank Cerabino (Staff Writer) (August 30, 2004). "New York draws spectrum of protesters". Palm Beach Post. ~~2.5 sentences
  • kept Knoxville News Sentinel 2004, quotation from U.S.Rep Zach Wamp, ~2 sentences on CFK (maybe duped?)
  • kept (new) Peter C. Beller (September 2, 2004). "The Few and the Loud: East Enders day-trip to protest R.N.C. in N.Y.C.". The East Hampton Star. ~~2 sentences
  • (del?) Talking Points Memo (also HuffPo) 2014, ~2 sentences each on TPC (accidentally misattributed)
  • (del?) (new) Gary Shapiro (August 30, 2004). "Journalists Party as Convention Approaches". New York Sun – via BatesLine blog and RNC'04 interview. ~~2 sentences
  • kept New Partisan (also New York Post) 2004 opinion piece, by Harry Siegel, ~1.5 sentence on CFK (not duped)
  • (del?) (new) David S. Bernstein (August 6, 2004). "The price of freedom". Boston Phoenix. Phoenix Media/Communications Group. ~~1.5 sentences
  • (del?) (new) Nathan Hill (August 30, 2016). "Part Five: A Body For Each Of Us". The Nix: A novel. New York: Borzoi Books / Penguin Random House / Knopf Doubleday. p. 314. ~~1.5 quasi-fictionalized sentences
  • (del?) (new) Michael Goldfarb (Dec 30, 2007). "Iran's Press TV Gets Pwned". Weekly Standard. via Jawa Report. ~~1 sentence + one imagefile
  • kept Time.com 2005, ~1 sentence on CFK (duped then corrected)
  • (del?) intl BBC 2004 w/ ~1 sentence on CFK (not duped)
  • (del?) intl Philosophy Now 2014 with ~1 sentence on Oleg+TPC (not duped)
  • (del?) The Atlantic 2004, ~0.5 sentence on CFK by Jack Beatty (probably not duped)
  • kept WaPo 2004, ~0.5 sentence on CFK (maybe duped?)
  • TBD TBD CBS News 2004, unknown length, mentioned by NYSun 2006 (above), but cannot find the CBS original? (duped)
  • (DEL?) + Fox News 2004 television (four-and-a-half pieces), ~18 sentences total on CFK (duped then corrected plus ridiculed)
  • k_Note !indep PJ Media online magazine 2016 (is this WP:RS nowadays?), ~15 journalist-sentences on Oleg+TPC, plus interview-quotes and blog-extracts (not duped)
  • k_Note (new) Алексей ОРЛОВ (September 24, 2010). "Социализм в США?". www.NRS.com (in Russian). New York City: ru:Новое Русское Слово. p. 22. ~~13+ sentences
  • (del?) intl ru:Snob.ru 2009 magazine, dozen-or-so-sentences, profile piece on Oleg as an artist & entrepreneur; will send to WP:RSN (not duped). Yelena Yegereva; Maria Kasatkina; Nelli Konstantinova (June 2009)
  • (del?) intlBlu canada.com 2008 w/ opinion piece by professor-and-later-legislator John Martin, ~12 sentences on TPC (not duped)
  • (del?) blulink EIB Network radio 2007 and 2016, ~8 plus an additional ~10 sentences on Oleg+TPC by conservative talk radio host Rush Limbaugh (not duped)
  • (del?) blulink personal blog 2007, ~7 sentences on Oleg+TPC by conservative pundit Michelle Malkin (not duped)
  • (del?) blulink Breitbart.com 2010, opinion piece by professor Draft:J. Michael Waller Ph.D, ~5 sentences on TPC (not duped)
  • k_Note (new) Kerry Picket (March 10, 2014). "Former Soviet Propaganda Artist Sees Echos of Cold War In Ukraine Debate". Breitbart News. ~~3.5 sentences narrative
  • TBD intl jewish panorama == Germany-in-Russian-language 2014+2016 ~~3 sentences narrative
  • k_Note intl Russia Today 2016 (borderline but maybe okay for this factoid?) with ~2 sentences on Oleg+CFK+TPC (not duped)
  • (del?) (new) Hugh Hewitt (June 11, 2006). "Appendix B: What the Blogosphere Has Wrought". Blog: Understanding the Information Reformation That's Changing Your World. Nashville: Thomas Nelson Inc. p. 220. ~~0.5 sentence
  • (del?) (new) Jeanette Baik (October 4, 2004). "From Soviet Union Square: Communists for Kerry". New York Young Republicans Club.
  • (del?) !indep Michael Geer (with Oleg Atbashian) (August 17, 2008). "Show me where Stalin is buried and I'll show you a Communist Plot". American Thinker
  • (del?) !indep "W Ketchup Officially Denounced" (Press release). Eagle Bridge, New York: W Ketchup LLC. September 24, 2004. via FreeRepublic.
  • a-self https://www.linkedin.com/in/oleg-atbashian-12595a103
  • a-self Oleg Atbashian. "Oleg Atbashian's Book Design & Layout". Retrieved February 7, 2017. "...[my] greatest passions in life have always been books and art."
  • a-self Oleg Atbashian (April 12, 2013). "How Thatcher Changed Hearts and Minds Behind the Iron Curtain". PJ Media.
  • a-self Oleg Atbashian (March 28, 2016). "Some of my best friends are Trump supporters". American Thinker – via [1].
  • a-self Oleg Atbashian (October 14, 2012). "Ryan-Biden debate: Marty McFly scores again".
  • a-self Oleg Atbashian (aka Red Square) with questions by Aurelius (of the Jumping in Pools blog) (June 2, 2010). "Interview with Comrade Red Square"
  • a-self "Re-Education". 2004. Archived from the original on October 13, 2004.
  • a-self Oleg Atbashian. American Agitprop in the Age of Obama. Oleg Atbashian.
  • a-self 'Red Square' (April 10, 2016). ThePeoplesCube.com responds to the Boston Globe 'Trump' issue. Oleg Atbashian and The People's Cube website

(Same story for the quote-params, of course, deletion of which was a clear mis-reading of policy in my view... but one thing at a time, as I say.) There are a lot of deletion-oriented folks on enwiki, it is a form of quality control

gauntlet; it CAN be taken overboard, but it can also be easily reversed, once agreement is achieved. In any case, I will see whether Winged_Blades_of_Godric is willing to continue to help out getting this draft mainspace-ready personally, or would prefer we re-submit to await another reviewer. WingedBlades, do you have some time to keep helping with this draft? If not, that is okay, but if so that would be appreciated 47.222.203.135 (talk
) 14:35, 26 March 2017 (UTC)

I will be taking a look soon.And yeah, maybe I was wrong about some of the source removal--I will be seeing certainly.Winged Blades Godric 14:41, 26 March 2017 (UTC)
Okay great, thank you. I will leave the article in 'unsubmit mode' until we figure out where it stands. If you get tired of helping work on the Atbashian-article just let me know, and I can resubmit or recruit some additional eyeballs at teahouse or whatever. And of course, if you have specific suggestions for what ought to be fixed, please tell me and I'll try to take a stab at improving things. 47.222.203.135 (talk) 16:39, 26 March 2017 (UTC)
Retrieved from "https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:47.222.203.135/Archive_3&oldid=845792488"