User talk:Bagumba/Archive 2

This page is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page.

You commented in an edit summary recently that BU did not make of formal request to autopsy JS's brain. The source I cited on that in turn cited a tweet from "Peter King" whom I came to conclude was Peter King (sportswriter) of Sports Illustrated. I went to Twitter. The address was @SI_Peter King+-. That's my only confirmation but it seemed probably on solid ground. I'll leave it to you for now to pursue if you wish. Thanks for working on this tough one. Swliv (talk) 16:58, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the followup. A later article clarified that BU did not formally request the brain: "Sports Illustrated clarified later Thursday that BU did not say that it had asked to study Seau's brain, specifically, but that the center attempts to examine the brains of all athletes who have died after taking part in contact sports." It was reflected on King's twitter as well. Sorry for the confusion.—Bagumba (talk) 17:03, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

Only confusion maybe that you could have been a little more specific in edit summ. I was back here already to say you left the "BU request" assertion earlier in the CTE article itself; I'll go rework it out there if you haven't beaten me to it ;-). See ya. Thanks again. Swliv (talk) 17:10, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

Apologies again on the edit summary. Thanks for updating the BU info into other articles.—Bagumba (talk) 17:33, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

Me, again. I just checked back in on the articles again, did some more (smaller) bits, saw we were trading edits again. I saw for instance you'd started the BIRI redirect page which I hijacked for the modest (but I think useful) start-up article; and you had done a good deal of work on it since, too. It still feels a little marginal as an article but I learned more there today so on balance am still glad it's there. Any opinion on that? I haven't triggered a speedy delete at least, yet.

Also, more broadly, I wanted to make sure I hadn't stepped on any toes or, to use another metaphor, otherwise caused you any heartburn. It's "closer quarters" back-and-forth-editing than I'm used to; higher profile subject I guess, too. I hope no problems and I welcome comments/thoughts.

Thanks. Swliv (talk) 02:52, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

No worries.

WP:GNG. Still, its always better to add those sources before someone gets the impression it might be worthy of deletion. Keep up the work.—Bagumba (talk

) 03:00, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

If you click on the photo, and then go to full resolution, then you can easily tell they are people. Phil Konstantin (talk) 18:57, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

I did exactly that before deciding to remove the picture. Even at full res, IMO it had limited value. Ideally a picture could be cropped to avoid readers having to blow it up, but I dont think that would be much better in this case. There would be a stronger

edit war, and will let it be after having stated my piece. Since the article is lacking photos, I suppose this is better than nothing in the interim. Thanks for bringing this to my talk page.—Bagumba (talk

) 21:33, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

The cropping of the photo was to show the people and the line of broadcast trucks. If you want to delete it, it is not a big deal. I just wanted to make sure you knew you could enlarge the photo. Phil Konstantin (talk) 22:54, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for fixing that ISBN at the Adam Morrison page. I thought the bot was saying the 6 was the problem. Zagalejo^^^ 19:58, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

NP, I just clicked on the ISBN and saw that it failed. Its a good thing I didn't look at the bot message, as it is rather cryptic.—Bagumba (talk) 20:16, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

While I agree to the resolution we reached and thus believe no further edits need to be made to the sentence that was under discussion, as a point of interest I would like to disagree with your stance that Sportswriters (whose jobs are to write, and create interest in their topic) are somehow a more fair and unbalanced source than the stats--judging purely based on the box score, Lin was Not outplayed by Williams--than box score numbers. Lin's rise was a huge story, and, as such, media, particularly members of the New York press, were more likely to exagerate Lin's performances and achievements during the "Linsanity" period. This is evidenced no more by the fact that Lin was considered at the time to be one of Knick's best players. Few impartial basketball experts would make such a claim now, or claim that Lin outplayed Deron Williams in the game in question. I do not doubt that there were sports writers at the time who may have thought or declared that Lin outplayed Willims, but I believe you would be hard pressed to find a basketball insider or expert who would feel strongly enough that Lin outplayed Williams to warrant it being published in an unbiased, encyclopedic, resource. I have enjoyed this discussion and appreciate your willingness to compromise on the issue. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rupert'sscribe (talk • contribs) 16:49, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

Speaking generally, points of view need to be

consensus, we managed to arrive at a fair balance. Thanks for the followup.—Bagumba (talk

) 17:03, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

I worded it that the way I did because "self-inflicted gun shot wound to the chest" is his official cause of death. If it was accidental it would be "accidental firearm discharge to chest" and official cause of death should be what's used.--Rockchalk717 20:05, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

The discussion is continued at Talk:Junior_Seau#Suicide_mention_in_lead.—Bagumba (talk) 22:52, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

Hi Bagumba! Thanks for your helpful advice regarding archiving sources. I was just wondering whether you could help review the List of New York Yankees owners and executives. I'm not the nominator, but I see that this list has been up there for more than 20 days and is in urgent needing for reviews. It appears that one or two more reviews in support will help this list pass as an FL. The FL director commented that "folks from the baseball project" should come and review the list, and since you are one of the most active and prominent members of the project, a quick scan through would be great. Cheers! —Bloom6132 (talk) 18:07, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

Been busy last few days. No commitments but maybe ... —Bagumba (talk) 04:14, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

Actually I see that its already promoted.—Bagumba (talk) 04:16, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

Hello, Bagumba. You have new messages at Anomalocaris's talk page.
You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

—Anomalocaris (talk) 01:05, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

In reference to Junior Seau: I'm not gonna touch it but for future reference 2 people agreeing over 1 person is not a consensus. The best thing would of been posting to the NFL wikipedia project talk page and invite others to join in. You also made the statement "Do we really need to be a slave to "official" verbage" the answer, on here anyway, is yes. Everything must be official. For example, when the Colts announced they were going to release Peyton Manning, an administrator protected the page because numerous people were making his infobox reflect him being a free agent before he officially was one. That's the point I was trying to make.--Rockchalk717 02:51, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

If you are referring to

polling is not a substitute for discussion. Thanks for bringing this to my talk page.—Bagumba (talk

) 03:47, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

Re: Peyton Manning example, the issue seems to be more of

looking into a crystal ball than any WP mandate to use official announcements verbatim.—Bagumba (talk

) 04:02, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

Ok, I made a hash of James Harden. I cleaned up some but not following "the page James Harden (disambiguation) needs to point to the old disambiguation page that was deleted for the move."--SPhilbrick(Talk) 16:15, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

Shouldn't James Harden (disambiguation) simply be deleted as no longer needed?--SPhilbrick(Talk) 16:19, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

I think if James Harden linked to another dab page from its hatnote it would be discouraged to have a user go from James Hardin (a dab page) to James Harden to yet another dab page to finally finding the right link. However, since James Harden only points to one entry in its hatnote, I suppose the worst case scenario is three clicks with or without James Harden (disambiguation).—Bagumba (talk) 16:53, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

I see that you added the other James Harden entry into "see also" of James Hardin. I suppose that works too, with the downside of duplicating the entries instead of centralizing it into a dab page. I suppose its the hatnote vs dab argument. Again, with the minimum number of entries, it could go wither way.—Bagumba (talk) 17:05, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

Hello, Bagumba. You have new messages at AutomaticStrikeout's talk page.
You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

I've left you another message.

Hello, Bagumba. You have new messages at Dkriegls's talk page.
You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

Graeme Bartlett (talk