User talk:Dan Murphy
HI, refs are fixed, should be OK now. Keep up the good work. This isn't Jack Merridew is it? SOmething about the page and name and DYK page makes it feel like Jack. Anyway I was wondering if you would be interested in writing an article on Drug abuse in jazz or something as it was a major issue and not widely known to everybody.♦ Dr. Blofeld 10:38, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
God vs. G-dHi. Regarding your edit of the Mezuzah article, I don't think the replacement of "God" with "G-d" really counts as vandalism. Many — though, please note, not all — Jews consider it inappropriate to write "God", preferring "G-d" instead (see Names of God in Judaism#In English). I'm not sure if there is a Wikipedia style guideline on this or not. I brought up the question in Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Judaism#Writing "G-d" in Mezuzah article, and so far there has been one response saying it's unnecessary, but hopefully there will be more comments and a general consensus (one way or the other) will develop that can be turned into a guideline. Richwales (talk · contribs) 21:18, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
Your problemWhat is it? I've done nothing to deserve this incivility from you, so how about you stop.— Dædαlus Contribs 05:17, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
Hi Bali. If you don't like the language in the article than fix it. I'm doing the best I can and I'm still working on the article. You don't just delete a substantial part of an article just because the writing style is not good enough. I'll try to improve the language as much as I can, and I'm still writing the article, so you can help or be patient and wail untill I'm done writing. Nik Sage (talk) 13:40, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
confusion?hi. i think you're confused with another editor [2] please bear in mind we are dealing with a living person. thanks, --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 04:11, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
John Ging take twoHi Bali, please give feedback about the first part I've wrote about the assassination attempts so I can move to the second part. You could do it here or at my talk page if you prefer. Nik Sage (talk) 23:39, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
Colonel Warden RFCHi Bali Ultimate, re your comment about Colonel Warden considering the deletion of articles to be talk) 13:59, 7 December 2010 (UTC) ]
Full quote from me (rather than your misquote) which i stand by in its entirety. I get it that you don't agree. Please don't belabor it further. Col. Warden has an extreme ideology that appears to view deleting articles (and poorly sourced content within articles) as something akin to murder. Bye. talk) 14:50, 7 December 2010 (UTC) ]
Recreating deleted pageI noticed you recreated User:Malcolm Schosha. This page was deleted because the account was renamed; there is no account under that name. Please use the Kwork or Kwork2 accounts if you have any further sockpuppet concerns. Shell babelfish 17:55, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
user Benjiboi blockedHi Bali, User:Benjiboi Blocked for massive socking, I have a few more I am watching, the whole field IMO is a likely to be just a couple of activists with multiple accounts along with paid promo editors, thanks for your contributions. Off2riorob (talk) 22:51, 8 December 2010 (UTC) ]
AfDPlease see: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Evolutionism (2nd nomination), since you contributed to the article. Steve Dufour (talk) 05:41, 9 December 2010 (UTC) User:Malcolm SchoshaSpot on, even if it's sad to say. Gwen Gale (talk) 16:30, 11 December 2010 (UTC) Malcolm SchoshaPlease do not recreate the redirect. The facts are obvious enough to those who need to know, and continuing to make the link makes it harder for him to walk away and leave us alone, which is in the end what we want. Guy (Help!) 19:45, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
I've brought it up at ani, here: [5]. talk) 20:11, 11 December 2010 (UTC) ]
Re: Removing ref tagsI'm sorry. I didn't mean to violate anything. talk) 22:12, 12 December 2010 (UTC) ]
BenjiSo what is going to happen with these Benji socks and that ip range? - Schrandit (talk) 17:40, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
I see you tinkering ...I'm off to bed now, but I think what you're looking for is {{NOINDEX}}. pablo 23:22, 13 December 2010 (UTC) helloHi, what are you trying to do? {{NOINDEX}} ? Off2riorob (talk) 23:23, 13 December 2010 (UTC) ]
self horn tootnb: I added __NOINDEX__ to your user page. Cheers, Jack Merridew 23:33, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
CounterpunchRight so unless you have anything to say or ask any one of your ideologically aligned Wikipedia friends to rebuts the arguments I've made on the Counterpunch talk page, I'm going to put the criticisms back on. I won't have your feigned absence filibuster my attempts to get the (warranted) criticisms against that left-wing rag of a magazine put on its Wikipedia page. Fellytone (talk) 22:18, 18 December 2010 (UTC) ]
Tactical advice for discussionIn any discussion, if you see traction in a section, don't add a new one below it. Reply to something above if you must, but not below. People read discussions from the bottom, not the top.—Kww(talk) 16:35, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
Are you happy now?What would have happened, if a merge would have been done after DYK? Wikipedia readers would have gotten an extra information. What a horror! D= --Mbz1 (talk) 13:43, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
An incident with which you may have been involved ...... I don't know the right boilerplate, but you are mentioned here. betsythedevine (talk) 18:06, 23 December 2010 (UTC) Mentoring questionRecalling your experience at WP:Requests for comment/Teeninvestor ..., please examine a short thread at talk) 22:18, 23 December 2010 (UTC) ]
PackerThanks for the work on LoS. Re Packer, I had looked into this, and later sources seemed to contradict those in 2008 speculating that he had dropped out. All of these are from 2009: [6][7][8][9][10]. If you look at the article that said he had dropped out, it does not actually quote him, but unnamed friends of his. Looking at it all, I got the feeling that he took a lot of courses for a while when he was in crisis, then stopped that once he felt better, but hasn't actually broken with the Church. There is no obligation on Scientologists to take courses all the time; it's up to the individual (and the status of their bank account). --JN466 15:18, 25 December 2010 (UTC) Ok, I think this is getting a little out of handfirst I want to apologize, I did not intend to tag you with the "attack page" template, I wanted to warn you about "personal attacks", obviously that was not what I tagged you with and I know how it feels to get tagged with something you don't deserve. So I am sorry I tagged you with that. Secondly I think it is getting a little heated and we should actually talk about it. We are accomplishing nothing going back and forth the way we are. I understand you have strong feelings about what should be included in the List of deaths associated with Scientology, but I do feel strongly that we need to include a background section that demonstrates that reliable sources have been using this theme across time. Those sources are contained in the section we have, but you are not satisfied that it should be included. What is a good compromise? Since they are reliable sources, would we be able to include those sources but tone down the content somehow which would satisfy your concerns?Coffeepusher (talk) 17:33, 26 December 2010 (UTC) An/IA fortnight ago, you reported me to to the Administrator Noticeboard/Incident. In reciprocation of your generosity, I've reported you here [11]. Fellytone (talk) 21:43, 4 January 2011 (UTC) ]
RFC questionYou suggested creating an RFC regarding (I think) several recent POV-pushing DYK articles. I was provoked into researching that theme and writing about it on my talk page. I am not sure how RFCs are created or whether an RFC/U is more appropriate. Your advice would be welcome. betsythedevine (talk) 01:39, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
Italian cabinetsHello. I noticed that you tagged a whole lot of articles in Italian (XYZ Cabinet) for speedy deletion. As I was told by Acroterion (talk · contribs) they have especially been imported for translation on behalf of Dr. Blofeld (talk · contribs) including an extensive page history etc. I've already userfied some pages to Dr. Blofeld's user namespace but you might also want to reconsider your tagging. I for one don't like the way this has been handled, such mass imports should not sit in the article namespace at all while untranslated, but these pages were not created as a simple copy and paste. De728631 (talk) 23:29, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
Thanks man!I thought about posting the link to her page, and decided against it because her talk page is watched by at least 5 times more people than my archive is, but you did it for me and... to her. May I recommended you next time you are going to do something like that to turn your brain on I do hope you have one :-) and better use email in similar situations. lol.--Mbz1 (talk) 07:40, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
CounterPunch BooksQuestion about this edit. Your edit summary was simply "that is excessive. has nothing to do with this magazine" for removing a smidgen of summary about a book (copied from the book's entry, BTW), and mention of a couple of other books. My view is that either the CounterPunch entry is about the magazine, in which case the Books section has no place there at all (and should be moved to CounterPunch Books or to AK Press), or it's about the publisher, which covers both magazine and books and includes all the content I added. Your edit leaves a middle ground that makes no sense to me. What do you think? Rd232 talk 16:21, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
Re:VandalismHey, sorry I didn't pay attention to my talk page until recently, when I archived a bunch of it, so I didn't notice this warning]. Well, I'm not sure how much "vandalism" would constitute mentioning gay porn, as he's made a year's salary off of it, but whatever floats your boat. Are you a proponent of Levi Johnston or gay porn? talk•cont 01:51, 11 April 2011 (UTC) ]
RfCI think that you've been involved with User:Misconceptions2 before, so I'd like to ask if you have interest in this RfC. I think I mistakenly reported it too early. Thanks ~ AdvertAdam talk 22:58, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
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Can you please consider removing your comment re. Fæ here? I am not saying it is wrong (or right); my only objection is that it isn't relevent to that thread, which is about the conduct of Wgfinley. Throwing in comments about other people is not going to help address that specific issue in any way. If you think there's a problem with Fæ - or anyone else - start a new thread. Honestly honestly, I have no opinion about the specific matter. But I'm fed up of ANI threads drifting into all kinds of "meta discussion" about unrelated issues; I can see no connection with your comment and the discussion at hand - if I'm wrong, then sure, let me know. But otherwise, would you mind removing it or striking it, or whatever? Thanks. Chzz ► 07:23, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
For the recordUser:Fae has had the public claims I made oversighted while seeing fit to discuss me on a project where he has arranged for me to be blocked (so that i can't respond) to his claims. I was never told under what valid criteria my earlier post was vanished.
for your i...There is a report at 3RRNB that mentions you - Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Edit_warring#User:Bali ultimate reported by User:WR Reader (Result: ) - Youreallycan 20:44, 20 January 2012 (UTC) A request for comments talk) 20:09, 28 January 2012 (UTC) ]
LiesYou have no possible way of knowing that Andrea James recruited me to Wikipedia to edit her biography. If you had real evidence, you would (or at least should) have provided it already. Please take back your false accusation, admit that it was a lie, and apologize, both to me and to Andrea. Luwat (talk) 00:17, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
Andrea JamesI have read The New York Times article. Some of your edits with respect to Andrea James go well beyond the information contained in that source. Such assertions must be clearly supported by citations to reliable sources. I have suppressed several edits you have made which are Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons violations. Please consider this a final warning by an uninvolved administrator. We are prepared to deal with negative information, even outrage, but you must cite a reliable source with respect to every detail every time you post scandalous information. User:Fred Bauder Talk 21:43, 29 March 2012 (UTC) ec
Ok, I've read the journal article at http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3170124/?tool=pmcentrez A dramatic formulation of that material is unsuitable for publication here due to its degrading nature. As you are a professional writer I believe you can craft a formulation that is informative without falling within WP:RD2, "Grossly insulting, degrading, or offensive material that has little/no encyclopedic or project value and/or violates our Biographies of living people policy. This includes slurs, smears, and grossly offensive material of little or no encyclopedic value,". I'm prepared to give you the benefit of the doubt, but you will be blocked if you persist. User:Fred Bauder Talk 00:19, 30 March 2012 (UTC) ]
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FYI - 74.198.*.*Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Mathsci (talk) 04:38, 24 May 2012 (UTC) NotificationPlease note that I have posted a number of items of evidence and findings of fact concerning your conduct at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Fæ/Evidence#Bali ultimate posted a "nasty personal attack" against Fae and at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Fæ/Workshop#Bali ultimate harassed and personally attacked Fae and below. Prioryman (talk) 20:09, 11 June 2012 (UTC) RFAR NoteI have removed your current statement. Phrases like "I particularly like the last bit", "having a man with Mr. Bauder's background questioning [me] was very funny indeed", and the overall tone of the post were not appropriate. Please rethink how you are approaching your evidence before re-posting. This serves as your one and only warning. -- Lord Roem (talk) 01:55, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
Talking about you behind your back... here. --Orange Mike | Talk 17:51, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
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I'm assuming you don't mean to exclude the possibility that they could be both. You've more stamina than I, certainly. — alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 00:36, 28 December 2012 (UTC)
You might be interested in this discussion - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#Ma.27an_News Ankh.Morpork 17:20, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
WP:AE still open
Hello Dan. You are aware of
- Ed -- what is one to do? If someone (or some people) continually insist that something that is manifestly untrue is in fact true, and are allowed to continue on doing so clearly in the service of a broader agenda (so long as they remain "civil") that's the problem to be dealt with. The claim made was manifestly untrue, and I came after the conversation had run for days. That is the behavior that is "actually" uncivil. Can I promise I'll never make a comment that won't be seized on to stir up a ruckus? Sadly, I cannot. What would you suggest one say in the face of patent falsehoods, when the truth has reasonable been explained by others?talk) 17:01, 3 January 2013 (UTC)]
- Your position is reminiscent of others that I see in the I/P area. You are shooting a hole in your own boat, with the impression that this is a glorious gesture that will impress others. EdJohnston (talk) 17:35, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
- Oh, poo. Take a look at the reality of the comment Ed: All wire services and newspapers move opinion pieces (that are inevitably offensive to someone). That does not invalidate (nor validate) the quality of their news reporting. Think on what's to be done with people who seek to remove use of an entire news outlet that they don't like on that "evidence" that an editorial there is "clearly" disqualifying. As for your snarky and uncivil comment that I'm seeking to "impress others" you clearly have no idea what you're talking about. Failure to be interested in the thoughts of others has been a consistent failing of mine.talk) 17:48, 3 January 2013 (UTC)]
- Sticking to your 'lying or ignorant' assessment must be adhering to a personal value of yours. By doing so, you're probably aware that you are ruling out any compromise with admins on Wikipedia. Do you really want admins to rule that 'lying or ignorant' is a correct verdict? EdJohnston (talk) 17:56, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
- I'm asking you to suggest a forthright, reasonable alternative. Why is "ignorant" a bad word? I am ignorant (as I'm sure you are) of a great many things. Recognizing ones own ignorance is a useful thing. In this instance, the point being dealt with has no grey area. Reuters really does [21] run opinion pieces. What to do when someone asserts they do not?talk) 18:02, 3 January 2013 (UTC)]
- You seem to have opinions about the I/P area that are perceptive in some ways. Even your observations on Wikipediocracy are interesting. Yet your response here is to draw a line in the sand that is guaranteed to exclude your views from consideration. You must be aware that calling other editors 'lying or ignorant' is not going to become a generally permitted behavior in the I/P area. When you disagree with others, there are trivial rewordings of your statement that would be fine. Instead of 'X is lying' you can say 'I believe that X's statement is incorrect'. Surely this has not escaped your notice. If I seemed to be analyzing your motives above in a possibly incorrect way, I was just noticing that you were scorning an obvious compromise, and wondering why there could be any reason to do so. EdJohnston (talk) 18:39, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
- The problem is the modifier I believe in x is ignorant/or lying. This is not a matter of belief. In a professional environment, this would be termination stuff. It is not a question of "belief." There is no subjectivity about it. The meta issue is that people are allowed to assert factually untrue things again, and again, and again, with no sanction, part of a process designed to wear down the opposition that is frequently successful. This is enabled by the insistence on indirect, qualified speech when it is not needed for the case at hand. I do scorn the compromise, but not for the reasons you imagine. But because the compromise is in fact corrosive to a forthright dealing with a problem that is skewing the content on this website. This is the issue. Allow me to expand. I deal with young journalists and editors who are flat wrong about stuff that I know far more about than they. They are wrong for a variety of reasons, but none of them malicious. Never-the-less, I tell them they're wrong and explain why they're wrong and they learn from it -- or they don't go very far. No one in an office is worried that telling someone that they're wrong is uncivil. This is an instance where the recipients are completely impervious to the corrective information because they're not interested in it -- getting it right is not why they are here. Far from it. talk) 18:54, 3 January 2013 (UTC)]
- What you are telling is obvious. Yes, the content is enormously skewed in many "political" subject areas. Yes, there are many recipients who are completely impervious to the corrective information because they're not interested in it (this can be for a number of reasons I am not going to speculate about). So what? Are you going to fix the problem by calling them names? No one can fix it. This is not a professional environment. WP is not a "reliable source", and it will never be. If you want to play this game, the "winners" will always be people who behave superficially civil, spend 24/7 on this site, and twist the sources. Do not you know this? My very best wishes (talk) 21:02, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
- The problem is the modifier I believe in x is ignorant/or lying. This is not a matter of belief. In a professional environment, this would be termination stuff. It is not a question of "belief." There is no subjectivity about it. The meta issue is that people are allowed to assert factually untrue things again, and again, and again, with no sanction, part of a process designed to wear down the opposition that is frequently successful. This is enabled by the insistence on indirect, qualified speech when it is not needed for the case at hand. I do scorn the compromise, but not for the reasons you imagine. But because the compromise is in fact corrosive to a forthright dealing with a problem that is skewing the content on this website. This is the issue. Allow me to expand. I deal with young journalists and editors who are flat wrong about stuff that I know far more about than they. They are wrong for a variety of reasons, but none of them malicious. Never-the-less, I tell them they're wrong and explain why they're wrong and they learn from it -- or they don't go very far. No one in an office is worried that telling someone that they're wrong is uncivil. This is an instance where the recipients are completely impervious to the corrective information because they're not interested in it -- getting it right is not why they are here. Far from it.
- You seem to have opinions about the I/P area that are perceptive in some ways. Even your observations on Wikipediocracy are interesting. Yet your response here is to draw a line in the sand that is guaranteed to exclude your views from consideration. You must be aware that calling other editors 'lying or ignorant' is not going to become a generally permitted behavior in the I/P area. When you disagree with others, there are trivial rewordings of your statement that would be fine. Instead of 'X is lying' you can say 'I believe that X's statement is incorrect'. Surely this has not escaped your notice. If I seemed to be analyzing your motives above in a possibly incorrect way, I was just noticing that you were scorning an obvious compromise, and wondering why there could be any reason to do so. EdJohnston (talk) 18:39, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
- I'm asking you to suggest a forthright, reasonable alternative. Why is "ignorant" a bad word? I am ignorant (as I'm sure you are) of a great many things. Recognizing ones own ignorance is a useful thing. In this instance, the point being dealt with has no grey area. Reuters really does [21] run opinion pieces. What to do when someone asserts they do not?
- Sticking to your 'lying or ignorant' assessment must be adhering to a personal value of yours. By doing so, you're probably aware that you are ruling out any compromise with admins on Wikipedia. Do you really want admins to rule that 'lying or ignorant' is a correct verdict? EdJohnston (talk) 17:56, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
- Oh, poo. Take a look at the reality of the comment Ed: All wire services and newspapers move opinion pieces (that are inevitably offensive to someone). That does not invalidate (nor validate) the quality of their news reporting. Think on what's to be done with people who seek to remove use of an entire news outlet that they don't like on that "evidence" that an editorial there is "clearly" disqualifying. As for your snarky and uncivil comment that I'm seeking to "impress others" you clearly have no idea what you're talking about. Failure to be interested in the thoughts of others has been a consistent failing of mine.
- Dan. To adopt your analogy, Ed Johnston is the systems manager guy in the wikioffice, with seniority, wide knowledge of the way it best functions, and a demonstrated capacity for making judgements all sides accept as neutral, and he's telling a less experienced wikipedian how this peculiar society works. Most serious, professional writers, scholars and thinkers find this place exasperating and refuse to help out. Some just learn to bite the bullet, wear the bullshit, adapt to suppressing the 'Ah, you fucken dopey arsehole' sort of thought that passes one's article-parsing mind from hour to hour, and write instead, 'you're mistaken' or even 'you screwed up'. Of course there are lots of ignoramuses and liars here, like everywhere in the world and in every sphere of activity. Here, the rule is, if you want to lie or push a POV against the evidence, as long as you stick to the AGF rules, you can enjoy longevity while enjoying exhibitions of suicide by people who call you out. That looks outrageous, at first glance, but without it, tens of thousands of quite good quality articles on difficult and controversial topics would never have been written. Anthropologists, when studying a tribe in field research, understand that they must adapt, provisorily, to the rules of the tribe: back in their professorial armchair, a different discourse obtains which, were it thrown the tribe's way would (a) only be offensive (b) obstruct the acquisition of a tribe's ethnography and (c) ultimately, be detrimental to the tribe itself, which down the line may well need that expert's return to assist it in adapting in turn to a larger world outside of its own mental confines. Best Nishidani (talk) 22:55, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
- I fully understand how this sick "society" works. I am not interested in studying it, it is not an ancient culture. It is a mediocrisy of soft-headed middle managers and the people they enable. I always have some slim hope, in an abundance of "agf," people like Ed aren't beyond education. I know that's a fools hope. As you may have noted, I do not write much anymore, for the reasons you outline above. Mostly lately, I have tried to clean up some of the nastiest examples of hate propaganda in the IP area -- one must only look at the pushback (succesfull) and the helpless bleating of a wikipedia arbitrator up above on this page (who recognized how much better my efforts made an article but was just powerless -- just powerless! -- to stop the propaganda effort).talk) 09:16, 4 January 2013 (UTC)]
- I think the analogy with tribe was great. Wikipedia community works very much as a primitive society, a tribe, rather than an editorial house. All community discussions are exactly like veche. Arbcom/AE serves like a Council of Elders. Just do whatever Elders tell, unless you would like to end up as Lonely Bison who refused to honor tribal hunting laws in the story by James Willard Schultz. Elders ask you to accept some other members of the tribe, even though you do not like them. My very best wishes (talk) 15:32, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
- BTW, some administrative discussions and decisions here (not necessarily in this case) remind me the song, Ballad about Truth and Lie by Vysotsky (video provides English translation if you click "show more"). Se la vie. My very best wishes (talk) 16:04, 5 January 2013 (UTC)]
- BTW, some administrative discussions and decisions here (not necessarily in this case) remind me the song, Ballad about Truth and Lie by
- I think the analogy with tribe was great. Wikipedia community works very much as a primitive society, a tribe, rather than an editorial house. All community discussions are exactly like veche. Arbcom/AE serves like a Council of Elders. Just do whatever Elders tell, unless you would like to end up as Lonely Bison who refused to honor tribal hunting laws in the story by James Willard Schultz. Elders ask you to accept some other members of the tribe, even though you do not like them. My very best wishes (talk) 15:32, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
- I fully understand how this sick "society" works. I am not interested in studying it, it is not an ancient culture. It is a mediocrisy of soft-headed middle managers and the people they enable. I always have some slim hope, in an abundance of "agf," people like Ed aren't beyond education. I know that's a fools hope. As you may have noted, I do not write much anymore, for the reasons you outline above. Mostly lately, I have tried to clean up some of the nastiest examples of hate propaganda in the IP area -- one must only look at the pushback (succesfull) and the helpless bleating of a wikipedia arbitrator up above on this page (who recognized how much better my efforts made an article but was just powerless -- just powerless! -- to stop the propaganda effort).
- Your position is reminiscent of others that I see in the I/P area. You are shooting a hole in your own boat, with the impression that this is a glorious gesture that will impress others. EdJohnston (talk) 17:35, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
← Jesus. Moar madness. If someone states something which is factually inaccurate they are either ignorant of the truth ("mistaken if you wish), or lying. Logical, captain. Trouble seems to be that some people (alarmingly, it seems this includes at least one administrator) are ignorant of the meaning of the word "ignorant". pablo 12:32, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
- (ec)Well, I work in several areas, and I'm not convinced that this place is "sick", but then again you have no brief to convince me. Ed was polite, and the conciliatory rope he gave some slack to was not meant to entice you to hang yourself. Of course, everyone knows some areas of it are "sick" - like the I/P zone, and quite a lot of editors there enjoy the way its inertial motion can be gamed to make it seize up in a sluggish morass, or a slugfest, in which the victims are either socks (dispensable) or more dangerously, for anyone who has a propagandistic agenda, of "do-gooders". In fact a sense of ethics, if brought to editing leaves some rubbing their hands with glee, it's like an open (eye-)sore that with consistent AGF poking will stir the hornet's nest of outrage, and leave the do-gooder stung. If you've decided to bail out with your ultimatum, though, do it with grace - perhaps we all need six months in porridge, as a kind of idyllic payoff of rest from what is unpaid, and unhappily frustrating work. I've served a longer term. I stick round because (a) the right to revert egregiously vile edits is one I'm unwilling to renounce, and janitorial work is important (b) basically I don't edit that area out of any self-interest (therefore expect anything from it), but as a time tithe, considering that somewhere out there, at Susya, for example, people are likely to be misrepresented, or worse still, consigned into the gurgler of historical silence, because what happens to them day by day, is never covered by mainstream sources with their love of the "big picture" and "large-arsed interests". To retain a right that enables one to see that their hardships - the extortion, expropriation, violence and inhumanity - are registered comprehensively somewhere, on what is effectively the default global source for encyclopedic coverage, is crucial. That consideration trumps any personal frustration - their frustration is infinitely greater than mine as a well-heeled editor here having to deal with malicious abuse of our rules, - I owe it to them to bottle my ethical outrage, so that, a couple of times a week, I can jot down a line, impeccably sourced, that is defensible and cannot be easily reverted, so that, cumulatively, traces of these sunken facts can thicken into a picture - and, when incidentally googled by someone out there, perhaps a reporter, - make life uncomfortable for the reader, and, who knows, nudge people out of their manufactured complacencies and ignorance. Don't think of the time you waste, think of the wasted lives a resilient attention to quality and detail, in the face of hostile editors, can, in the most round-about way, redeem from the parlous silence in which they are cast as they undergo harassments beyond anything we, in the commentariat, can imagine. And, get some perspective on admins, esp. good ones (no brownnosing intended). It's a rotten job, having to read and evaluate a motherlode of blathering whinges every day over innumerable topics, and corral the garrilous herd out of its shambles, back onto the track of neutral article composition. Whatever, enjoy the enforced respite, if you are convinced. But don't throw away your entitlement to revisit pages, in a few months, and make life difficult for propagandists.Nishidani (talk) 12:51, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
Topic ban from the Arab-Israeli conflict
Under the authority of
- Foolish.talk) 12:10, 6 January 2013 (UTC)]
- LMFAO --My76Strat (talk) 12:16, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
- Compare the diffs for the behavioural violations, more serious violations (if petty) of AGF, registered against an admin, and the anguished humming and haaing this caused within the ranks. One rule for the peonry, another for the masonry. The I/P area has its own distinctive logic (impatience). I only note this for its sociological value.Nishidani (talk) 15:13, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
- LMFAO --My76Strat (talk) 12:16, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
Artikel sempurna
Glad to see some people in that thread have sense. "Artikel sempurna" in this case was defined as at least 5 references, all content cited, and more than so many words (I think 250, but that was a couple years back). — Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:04, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
Sexology arbitration case opened
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You're ignoring something
Can you explain this? SilverserenC 18:54, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
- So since he makes "good edits and perfectly formatted edit summaries" it must be Gregory Kohs? This bit is particularly troubling: "Hak asasi manusia untuk semua." A chill went down my spine.talk) 01:03, 8 March 2013 (UTC)]
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Project Qworty
Hi there. You've been in discussions regarding Qworty, so might wish to contribute ideas, etc., to this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:NaymanNoland (section: "Project Qworty"). If you haven't read today's Salon article addressing this disaster, it's here: http://www.salon.com/2013/05/17/revenge_ego_and_the_corruption_of_wikipedia/ NaymanNoland (talk) 22:16, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
- Mr. Young is a minor symptom of a major disease. Have been discussing it a bit with friends here. I don't do much on Wikipedia anymore.talk) 22:42, 17 May 2013 (UTC)]
- I've been reading that. All good stuff. My only disagreement would be regarding Young as a minor symptom. I think he is himself a major disease, even is he's not the only cancer here. Some of his edits are just vile: listing Barry Hannah's cause of death as "alcoholism." Hannah is a major literary figure (and it's just pathetic that Robert Clark Young's own peacock entry is STILL longer and more glorious than Hannah's). Before it was merged with Young's main autobiography, his failed (and only) novel still had its own entry on Wikipedia, and none of Hannah's do. NaymanNoland (talk) 23:23, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
- None of that is nice. But there are hundreds of people doing stuff like that right now. We just don't know who/where. It is the structure of the place that enables this. An individual getting caught here or there doesn't address the underlying, and truly damaging, premise.talk) 23:31, 17 May 2013 (UTC)]
- None of that is nice. But there are hundreds of people doing stuff like that right now. We just don't know who/where. It is the structure of the place that enables this. An individual getting caught here or there doesn't address the underlying, and truly damaging, premise.
- I've been reading that. All good stuff. My only disagreement would be regarding Young as a minor symptom. I think he is himself a major disease, even is he's not the only cancer here. Some of his edits are just vile: listing Barry Hannah's cause of death as "alcoholism." Hannah is a major literary figure (and it's just pathetic that Robert Clark Young's own peacock entry is STILL longer and more glorious than Hannah's). Before it was merged with Young's main autobiography, his failed (and only) novel still had its own entry on Wikipedia, and none of Hannah's do. NaymanNoland (talk) 23:23, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
Hello. There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The discussion is about the topic Alexander Montagu.2C 13th Duke of Manchester and canvassing at Wikipediocracy. Thank you. Andy Dingley (talk) 21:35, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
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Well, thank you I guess. I would be less entertained and more simply inclined to give the management of the website credit for doing something positive and useful that effects the contents of articles here for a change. Go on, I know you want to.Dan Murphy (talk) 01:10, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
Recent reading
I just wanted to mention that I enjoyed reading your piece here, and I thought it was well-done and informative. I think you'd be a real asset to this website if you started contributing here again, but I completely understand (or at least I think I understand) your reasons for not doing so. Cheers. MastCell Talk 17:45, 29 July 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks for the kind words. Short of being paid and/or given meaningful editorial control over my contributions, I'd rather gouge my eye out with a fork.Dan Murphy (talk) 19:07, 29 July 2013 (UTC)
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Paid editing
Thanks for your post re paid editing. I see from your user page that you are a professional journalist. It would be helpful if you could weigh in on standard practices in publications concerning article subjects influencing articles, and the extent to which that is acceptable or not. Coretheapple (talk) 19:23, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
- Since Wikipedia refuses to accept any of the rules that apply in writing environments in which accuracy is the highest priority, I wouldn't waste time in explaining reality on this issue here.Dan Murphy (talk) 20:22, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
- Heh. I hear you. Thanks. Coretheapple (talk) 20:24, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
- List link: Dan, the outing police might come after you for posting a link to the list of editors (or "crap" as one user, who seems to have got the hump, so charmingly puts it). How about simply unlinking those six words? The post would still make the point, and people can find their own way around. Anyway, just a thought. BTW, props for your connection with CSM. Writegeist (talk) 21:22, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
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Brilliant! The analogy never occurred to me. It's just too perfect. Nice to see you back, if only for a moment; I hope all's well.— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 23:26, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
- It's just that I have found our pilgrim's progress amusing and sad, nights. Things are afoot in Iraq, and bite-sized "expertise" is in demand. So will not be much here. (It is stunning how much of that poem can be worked into a Wikipedia allegory, no?) Go well.Dan Murphy (talk) 23:42, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
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I just wanted to say that I thought your piece in the CSM about the Shapps case was quite well-done. I'm sure that the average reader's eyes glaze over when s/he gets to the part about checkusers and admins, but it's an admirable effort and I think you hit the nail on the head. MastCell Talk 23:13, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
Hello! I hope my comments on the AfD don't sound too harsh. Non-admins are permitted to close discussions following the conclusion of a 7-day waiting period, so long as they aren't making a deletion decision. Unless reverted by an administrator, this decision should be respected as the closing of the discussion. It is perfectly acceptable for you to reopen this issue at
- Mea culpa. While your reversion of the closure is indeed contrary to policy, my re-reversion was, too! Please see User talk:Sandstein for more; I have suggested that the discussion be reopened. North of Eden (talk) 00:07, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
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Duke of Manchester
I've restored the article. You need to do a new AfD as there is more coverage since the last AfD, particularly the articles in the Sydney Morning Herald etc.
Thanks
Dan for pitching in with such extensive assistance. I'm off to the fartsack with the thought that, collaboratively, working a page with your help from o to 30,000kb in a half-day, gives me, for one, the right to sleep with a good conscience. Best Nishidani (talk) 21:34, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
- De nada. I look in from time to time... I try to ignore everything. Sometimes, the ugly gets to me. Sleep well.Dan Murphy (talk) 21:35, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
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Hi, Dan. You are right. Feel free to revert my edit. If you do, I would update the date to say "As of March 2008..." Cheers! -
- Pipe's meanderings don't belong anywhere round here (however, it's as of 2013 - the last time he "updated" that thing; never a retraction until then.)Dan Murphy (talk) 00:39, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
Palestine-Israel articles 3 arbitration case proposed decision posted
Hi Dan Murphy. A
1R
Dan, I think you have tipped over the 1R tripwire at Jewish Israeli stone throwing, since your first edit today was a revert, and restoring what Debresser removed is another. This will get ironed out, but I'd suggest you just restore it to the earlier disemboweled version, which, in any case, if I understand the rules, it is Debresser's job to restore.Nishidani (talk) 14:46, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
- I simply don't care. I edit from time to time, but mostly to highlight the violent absurdity of it all.Dan Murphy (talk) 14:48, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
Hello Dan--I saw a note you placed on a website that will not be mentioned, way back in January 2015, where a certain editor was discussed who is currently the subject of some conversation. You called it a "wonderful 'encyclopedic' creation", and that made me have a look at it. A search in Google Books suggests that it most likely is notable by our standards, which are admittedly low. A JSTOR search proves it a slang term for cigarette (or thin cigar), but that's another matter. Anyway, I pruned the article some since it suffered from excessive detail, and that detail undoubtedly originates in the advocacy you mentioned in that post. Happy days, Drmies (talk) 19:17, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
- Always improving! Dan Murphy (talk) 05:36, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
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Ha! I had forgotten about that shenanigans until I say your recent post. Good times. pablo 22:30, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
- AGF!Dan Murphy (talk) 21:57, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
- More WTF as I recall. pablo 11:05, 23 January 2016 (UTC)
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Our Jerusalem article, five and a half years later
Hi Dan, I saw some good comments from you at ANI today so obviously I came along to check out your user page.
It was interesting see your comment from Oct 2010 regarding the Jerusalem article.
This [22] is what that article looked like when you made that comment.
I'd be interested in whether your view as to the success of the "anonymous crowsourcing mode" has changed since then, given the five and a half years of progress on the Jerusalem article. I ask as a passionate advocate for the
- It is structurally all wrong, filled with the wrong kind of information for an introduction, and the very definition of deathless prose. I suppose it is an improvement over the previous version. But that is faint praise indeed. Sorry I wasn't more encouraging. This is clearly the kind of subject matter that can not be taken on by enthusiastic amateurs without any professional oversight. In that scenario the best you can hope for is a strange, misleading, and meandering hodgepodge.Dan Murphy (talk) 02:32, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
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- For conduct which was below the standard expected of an administrator — namely making an incivil and inflammatory close summary on ANI, in which he perpetuated the perceived BLP violation and failed to adequately summarise the discussion — JzG is admonished.
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Wow, thank you. That was a travesty. -Darouet (talk) 18:15, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
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- No I did not, you witless, officious mechanical rube. "Spouting nonsense," indeed.Dan Murphy (talk) 14:57, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
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