User talk:Caden/Archive 5

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Just in passing, there's nothing unusual about a user keeping track of other users in their userspace. I do it as well. It's no big deal if nothing ever comes of it. Dayewalker (talk) 07:03, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

There is something very unusual about an admin who keeps what looks like a personal hit list. It's a big deal to me and I'm not tolerating that. At least I have the balls to speak up while others are too fearful to do so.—Preceding

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Hi Caden, actually it's not too unusual for admins to do this if editors are under topic bans or any other type of sanction. I kept a similar list for a while on the regular editors of articles related to The Troubles, which was a heated political issue involving a lot of editors editing with different sanctions such as being banned from reverting more than once, not being able to revert at all, not being allowed near certain articles etc. I don't keep it any more because the issues have died down (mostly) now, but it was a much easier way for me to keep tabs on what was happening. I really wouldn't take it personally. Black Kite 23:09, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Yeah I know man but it was hard not to take it personal. It was just shocking to see such a list and personally I don't think those types of list should be available on-wiki, regardless of the good intentions behind it.

talk) 22:31, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Please leave this. The page in question has been deleted; meanwhile the consensus at

WP:AN

is that this issue is nowhere near being "admin abuse".

The list is not a HIT LIST simply because there is not going to be any hit. It's nothing more than an easy way for me to look at various editors' contribs, with some notes to remind me of what to look out for. If an editor on that list is disruptive, they are liable to be warned and, if necessary, blocked from editing - all within the bounds of policy of course. So why, I imagine you are wondering, is it necessary for me to write down the names of certain editors? Why don't I simply apply policy fairly to all editors across the wiki? Why are you five being singled out? Well, in your case the answer should be obvious. You've proven to be having difficulty sticking within the bounds of your topic ban, so I'm keeping an eye on your contribs with that in mind - and that's why your entry on my list linked to your topic ban page. As for the other editors on the list, I think there is enough public information (e.g. block logs, noticeboard threads and talk page warnings) for the reasons to be obvious, and I don't think further comment from me is necessary or appropriate.

Again, I hope that you can leave this issue behind and carry on making constructive edits to Wikipedia. I really would like to see you get to the end of this topic ban without further incident. I'm sorry if finding your name on that page caused you stress or distress, that really was not my intent. SHEFFIELDSTEELTALK 23:29, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Thank you dude for taking the time to explain your reasons behind the list. Your apology is genuine and means a lot. Please understand that when I first found my name on the list I was shocked and offended because it appeared quite negative. Honestly man, I meant no harm to you or the project when I objected to that list but I am satisfied that it's been deleted. I can see where you're coming from after having read the above post. I feel bad for having asked you to resign and I'm sorry for that. But at the time I made the complaint, I didn't know your reasons for the list except what I was able to see, which I mentioned before looked quite negative because of your comments and annotations on it. I'd be more than happy to leave this entire issue behind as you have requested. I also understand that you will continue to monitor me (due to the topic ban) and I have accepted that. However, I need you to know that I'm not a bad guy, despite the bad boy reputation other editors perceive me as. I think I'm a good editor who's done some good work on here. I know I'm a good guy, and it would mean a lot to me if you could have a little faith. Give me a chance man. I'm not saying you should stop monitoring me, I'm just asking for a fair shot.

talk) 22:31, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Thank you very much for the above reply. It means a lot to me to read that. I really don't think you're a bad guy, and I know you've made good contributions to Wikipedia. You deserve a fair shot, I mean to be fair towards you, and if I don't then you've every right to complain about my conduct as an admin. SHEFFIELDSTEELTALK 14:05, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Who are the 5 editors that Mr. Steel has on his list to look for an excuse to block? Ipromise (talk) 04:29, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Hello Ipromise and thank you for the reply. Please see the above section called "SheffieldSteel". Hopefully that will answer any questions you may have. In regards to your question here are the names:

1. User:Reqluce

2. User:Law Lord ‎

3. User:Caden (me)

4. User:Ibaranoff24

5. User:Ipromise (you)

Easily reconstructed from the contribs list. Think of it as being "special". In contrast, as far as has been confirmed, I'm not on anyone's list. :'( Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 05:01, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Ah yes, but at least I have the list in correct order as where that's not the case with the contribs list. In regards to you not being on any list, are you sure about that?

talk) 05:07, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

So you only rank third on that list? Not surprising, given Reqluce's ungrateful response to your friendly notification. Obviously a number 1. Am I sure I'm not on such a list? No, I could be on a hundred such lists. But none confirmed as of this point in time. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 05:17, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Only third. It's cool. Yeah man I tried to help the guy and he turns around and kicks me in the face. But I bet you're on many lists, however I don't think it be in the hundreds.

talk) 05:30, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

I bet there's a way to find out. But I'll leave it a mystery for now. I do know that sometimes guardian angels appear and help me out. As you've seen, when you try to be that guardian angel yourself, and help someone who then reacts with ingratitude, it's like the biblical quote about casting pearls before swine. But that only reflects poorly on the swine, not on the one who casts the pearls. Now let me hear y'all say "Amen! Praise the Lord, and pass the collection plate!" Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 05:45, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Ah, guardian angel? Okay? Heck it could of been worse. He could of played dirty and kicked me in the balls instead. No offense but I'm not into the bible. Don't get me wrong I believe in God. Otherwise I would of died back in 1997.

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Confuse not my citation of convenient biblical parables and metaphors with actual true belief or conventional religion, necessarily. 0:) Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 06:13, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

I certainly thought the list was less than pleasing. Below my user name was a link to a personal attack against me. That was not pleasing either. It certainly made me wonder why the administrator did not react towards the author of the personal attack instead of just linking to it. Anyway, it seems the page is now deleted; and that is that, I hope. --Law Lord (talk) 03:06, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Hi Law Lord. I know how you feel. I was recently attacked by a user on the AN page concerning the list and not a single admin said a word about it. Basically, we five are seen as bad boys and it's too bad. But I'm hopeful and I believe this false impression soon will disappear with time. Think about it in a positive light if you can. Just have fun with it and look at it as we are the coolest 5 around. However, I am sorry to hear about the link to a personal attack against you. I can only imagine how you must of felt upon finding the link you speak of. Try not to worry about that though. As for the whole list issue, the bloody thing is over with. All of us should just move on. Besides, I believe the admin's intentions were good (although it looked like a negative list) and to be honest..I like the guy.

talk) 03:38, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

If the media grab this their headlines will be about The Wiki 5 Cuddlyable3 (talk) 12:27, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Unfortunately, no evidence remains other than the responses to it. It's like a live TV show that the interested parties forgot to tape record. C'est la vie. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 12:37, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

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Thanks for that encouragement. I will take my time to consider the adoption, but I do notice that the subject adoptee is not very active. But thanks for the encouragement =) and sorry I couldn't get back to you sooner, I've had technical difficulties. Inferno, Lord of Penguins 21:56, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Hey man, you're welcome and take your time. By the way dude thanks for the smile!

talk) 03:27, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Hi, just ask me on my talkpage, that'd be easiest. Black Kite 11:24, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Control yourself, you know this is wrong, so don't do it. — R² 14:53, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Following your incivilty on ANI, I've reset your topicban again (no incivility is point #3 on your topicban). Stwalkerster [ talk ] 23:25, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Oh, almost forgot - if I see any more incivility, I'll just block you. Stwalkerster [ talk ] 23:26, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

What? I was not being incivil man. I was being honest and that was it. Furthermore, why did you count dif #3 and #4 as two separate incidents on my topic ban page? They are the exact same dif! Please remove the reset of my topic ban. I was not being incivil dude.

talk) 23:40, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Hi Caden. The other diffs don't look too bad, but this wasn't a great idea, to be honest. I'll have a word with the other admin, though. Black Kite 00:01, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Okay, well that dif was nothing but me being honest. I'm an honest guy and I can't change that. But thanks so much for talking to the other admin for me.

talk) 00:08, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Hi - I emailed them. If I don't hear anything I'll post on their talkpage. Thanks, Black Kite 17:51, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Alright thank you.

talk) 17:57, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

I'll look over it in a few days time, as I'm unfortunately busy right now, as I've been told you've been following it lately. As it wasn't due to expire until close to the end of April anyway, I don't feel it's massively critical to look over it right away. My thinking at the moment is that you did break the topicban and be a bit incivil, but I'll reconsider whether a full reset is needed. I'm considering reducing it at the moment, but you can expect some extension. If I haven't got back to you in a week or so's time, poke me on my talk page to remind me. :) Stwalkerster [ talk ] 20:18, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

I feel it is massively critical for you to look over it as soon as possible. Although I'm shocked that you have assumed bad faith and judged me so quickly, I'm willing to give you another chance. I really don't understand your actions though. I was not being incivil and I did not deserve an extension. Furthermore, I did not deserve to be threatened with a block for having been honest. I did nothing wrong. I do appreciate the fact that you are reconsidering reducing the reset. However, I feel there should be no reset to begin with. I'm asking you to please remove it. Thanks.

talk) 04:07, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

I'm afraid I will not speaking rash to you, seeing as you are in the wrong about this. The term 'negro' is racist, and therefore not allowed by law, not just by our policy. The foundation could get sued for placement of that term on articles, so adding it into articles when you know is wrong is downright unacceptable, and I will get anyone who does it blocked from editing. This is not a personal attack, please read up on policy, this is just my opinion on how things will go down if ParaGreen13 continues to post racist and homophobic comments on articles. As for me not taking into account other peoples views, that's downright hypocritical as it's clear that only you and ParaGreen13 feel this way. The rest of the people at ANI are against placing such racism into articles, and have explicitly stated as such. If we wish to take me to ANI, that is your prerogative, but I feel that won't go anywhere considering you've already been blocked and topic banned for being offensive. —Cyclonenim (talk · contribs · email) 08:07, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not censored for content, there is nothing "illegal" about the term "Negro", and no such suit would stand up in court. I need go no further than to mention the existence of articles like "Negro league baseball", which is what it was called and there's no getting around it. Having said that, the casual use of "Negro" is now considered offensive, and should be avoided in wikipedia except in context (as with Negro League baseball). Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 13:20, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Cyclonenim, you are in the wrong. Now you're calling ParaGreen13 both a racist and a homophobe. Where the hell is your evidence for this? Give me the diffs to prove your irrational claims. When will your personal attacks ever end dude? And tell me this, where the hell did I use the term negro on wiki? I did NO SUCH THING! How dare you imply such a thing! And you call yourself a Christian? I think not sir. As I've said before, you need to take into account other people's views and stop appearing so hypocritical. Stop with the censorship over "words" you don't like. Are you now the language police? Furthermore, enough of your personal attacks. Read up on policy because you will never become an admin with the type of personal attacks that you do so well on wiki. I also suggest that you read what Baseball Bugs has posted. As he pointed out, wikipedia is not censored for content.

talk) 18:04, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Unfortunately, once again you are misinterpreting what is written. "Where the hell is your evidence for this?" His edit summaries have a go at "queers", and he stated on the ANI thread he "could have used worse terms" or something similar. This is homophobia. Replacing the term 'African-American' to 'Negro' when there is no need to do so is disruptive, and can be considered racist. No where in this discussion have I used a personal attack, I am stating the facts of ParaGreen13's actions. "And tell me this, where the hell did I use the term negro on wiki? I did NO SUCH THING!" - Erm, where did I say you used the term negro on wiki? I didn't. Stop implying I did and stop pretending you're getting attacked when you're not. " also suggest that you read what Baseball Bugs has posted." - Did you see the part where he put "except in context"? How is replacing the term 'African-American' with 'Negro' on random pages considered in context? I have little else to say, except that you are, I'm afraid, in the wrong here, not I. —Cyclonenim (talk · contribs · email) 18:53, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

I'm done with your games man. Read my post above once again and then read your original one. Do not waste my time. Get lost. You're not welcome on my talk page.

talk) 19:00, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Fine, I won't be posting on this page again. I will not, however, drop the case at ANI. I read my original post several times over, and not once does it call you racist or homophobic. So it's not that I don't want to waste your time, but I refuse to have mine wasted by you. Regards, —Cyclonenim (talk · contribs · email) 19:15, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

You said: "so adding it [Negro] into articles when you know is wrong is downright unacceptable, and I will get anyone who does it blocked from editing." This is a personal attack on me as you used the word you to refer to me. It's also a lie on your part since I never used the word Negro on wiki. Furthermore, you say: "if ParaGreen13 continues to post racist and homophobic comments on articles.." This dude is another personal attack by you. Again, where is your concrete evidence for such damaging claims?

talk) 19:43, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

I must make another point here to make things super clear to you. You said about ParaGreen13: "His edit summaries have a go at "queers." Lies! I just had another look at his edit summary and there was only ONE edit summary made by him and not "many" as you accuse him of. In his edit summary where he removed vandalism he said that the actor was not "queer" ie not a homosexual. You must stop with the abusive twisting of words that expose your biased POV. You need to stop the abusive personal attacks and you need to apologize for your unacceptable behavior.

talk) 22:30, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Okay, I know I said I wouldn't post again but I'm afraid this is downright laughable. I wish to have no further communication with you, please do not even bother replying as it won't be read. You accuse me of twisting words, yet you're twisting mine severely. When I said "so adding it [Negro] into articles when you know is wrong is downright unacceptable", that is quite clearly an extensive you, not referring to you in particular but 'you' as in anyone who does it. That is quite common usage of the term, please familiarize yourself with it. Secondly, even if it was aimed at you, it is not a personal attack, it's a comment based upon someone's behaviour. Please familiarize yourself with

WP:ATTACK before accusing me of throwing them. Thirdly, where did I say "many"? You just quoted me a sentence before as saying "His edit summaries have a go at "queers.", where does it say many? You are embarrassing yourself with misquotations, and until you are willing to participate in discussions acting as an adult, I will have no further communication with you. If you respond with a personal attack against me (such as insulting my beliefs, as you did so earlier with "How dare you imply such a thing! And you call yourself a Christian? I think not sir.") then I will report you to ANI for breaching your topic ban on incivility. Good day to you, sir. Contact me on my talk page if you wish to resume discussion in a grown up manner. —Cyclonenim (talk · contribs · email) 00:59, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Scrap that, I've started a thread here. You may or may not wish to contribute. Feel free to bring up your concerns about me here. —Cyclonenim (talk · contribs · email) 01:27, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Now I really must respond too. So, super. All this based on what I said originally about an actor and pointing out a slander about him. The queer issue. I guess I misjudged you for having more reason and reserve than you actually do. I didn't have any "go" at homosexuals. I simply made a contrary statement and reference to someone who was not. Get it? By the way, you English are notorious for your colorful slang about homosexuals. Americans just say "fags", when they want to be deragatory, while I've heard much more colorful words from your world. You really must be quite completely used to it.

As for assuming that someone is being racist by using "Negro" or saying negro, that's pure idiocy and unfounded. It simply isn't so. You know you're not the only person having a dictionary fella. A fairly modern hardcover one I have doesn't even mention any offending aspect of it at all. So it boils down to kneejerks by people with a political slant. Why should I put any stock in that? Everyone is racist to a degree, but that's not demonstrating it. It's a matter of wordplay, and you enjoy being a little wordplay NAZI don't you? Well I stand against that. I thought you had made heads or tail of that already, but all you want to do is make issue of it. Unbelievable. Another thought. I think I must of said this before to you. But people really do know for themselves when they're acting racist or not, just like they know what a match smells like. No one needs some self appointed moral authority to tell them. For that we can go to church any Sunday. ParaGreen13, 20:50PT, 3-6-09.

I accept your apology, Caden, and I hope you can accept mine if I insinuated that you were racist because that wasn't my intention. That was directed more towards ParaGreen13, not you, and I simply believe it was miscommunication between us both. I do recommend however that in future you try to resolve disputes such as this more calmly, as losing your temper can very easily get you blocked. Regards. —Cyclonenim (talk · contribs · email) 21:36, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Thank you, I appreciate that man. And yes, of course, I accept your apology. You're also correct, it was miscommunication between us both and that's a bloody shame. It's too late for me though future wise. My fate here as an editor has already been decided by others. I've been labelled as a bad guy ie an editor who doesn't count. Let's face it my topic ban will never be lifted. My new user name request will never be granted. I will never be trusted nor respected. Basically my main space edits don't matter because I'm seen as that dude who's topic banned or was blocked and so on and so on. Pretty much most folks hate me around here and that's too obvious. It's okay, I'm a tough boy. I'll live. Anyway, Wikipedia has too many sensitive editors who can't deal with an honest and vocal editor like me. The community can be very unforgiving. I'm not sure anymore why I even bother trying to help build this encyclopedia. I'm not sure what to do at this point. It all feels so pointless.

talk) 00:50, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Your topicban will be lifted, so long as you abide by it, and if you keep your nose clean for a month or two I'm sure a crat will have very little concern about granting your

WP:CHU request. Your mainspace edits outside of the resricted area have never, as far as I know, been questioned, so I wouldn't worry about that topicban affecting any other editing you do, or how people view the editing you do. It's never too late--unless someone has been community banned--to decide what your future here will be. It's entirely up to you to decide what you want to get out of your time here, and how you want people to perceive and react to you. Your apology to Cycloneim was obviously heartfelt, and a massive step in the right direction. If you can see your way clear to getting yourself to that stage before getting angry, your future here will be much, much better than you think it will. And in case it wasn't clear: I don't hate you. Can't speak for anyone else, but I don't. I think you're misguided in some ways, but there's no hatred. //roux   01:04, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Thank you so much. You don't know how much your post means to me. I truly appreciate your positive feedback. It gives me hope. I thank you for that Roux and God I was so wrong about you. I'm sorry for that.

talk) 01:13, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

No problem. Shit happens. Have a cuppa. //roux   01:27, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

A cuppa what??? Oh, tea. Never mind. :) OK, let's get something straight here - your topic ban has strictly to do with issues about your editing behavior. No one hates you! I hope that's clear. So don't say that again, or I'll have to send my pal Vito out your way, to have a "chat". >:) Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 01:47, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Please stop it. Stop changing the picture of Boys Like Girls. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ebscer (talk • contribs) 05:09, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

I've asked you several times to stop reverting both myself and another editor. The photo is perfect so stop changing it.

talk) 05:14, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Both of you should stop reverting. Discuss the issue on the article talkpage, ask for a

informal mediation if necessary. Here's one solution: Why not use both images in the article, in two different places? Have one in the infobox this week, and one elsewhere in the article. Next week, switch them. A week later, switch back. And one of you can be the bigger guy here by saying "Your image goes first." //roux   05:24, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Even better, since they're both free images, there's no reason why you can't have one in the infobox and one somewhere in the article. Then you can swap the positions round occasionally. Black Kite 11:17, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

An excellent idea, and I have done just that. The lead singer photo seems more appropriate embedded in the article than as the main photo. It's not the greatest photo, but it's free, and that's more important to wikipedia than quality. Meanwhile, ya learn something new every day. When I saw that article title, "Boys Like Girls", I assumed it was about TV's. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 11:43, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

I started a discussion on the article talk page. — R² 12:55, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Okay, thanks guys. I responded on the group's talk page. I prefer Image A.

talk) 21:23, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Hello CadenS. I've seen the dispute you're involved in unfold, and I know something that could be very beneficial to you: Click here. I don't think that you've acted in the most rational way, with your post at AN/I and at the talkpages of several other editors. I think that you should probably take a break. I'm not mad at you, but I think that it's probably what's best. :-) Sam ^Blab 21:08, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

How do you expect me to feel? By the way the community calls me now by the name they have given me, The Grand Exalted Caden.

talk) 21:15, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Caden, you're taking it way too seriously. If you feel mad, just log out and do something else, it's that simple. I've gone through this before, and I want to stop it from happening to you. Sam ^Blab 21:18, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Alright man.

talk) 21:51, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Caden, it's good that you have seen the error of what you were doing here. Whilst it's easy to get angry at things that you perceive as wrong (and I do agree that the attack on you at ANI was wrong), it's even easier to react badly to them - which you did. My inclination here would be to give you another chance since you are clearly sorry for what you did, but you must realise that there are only a certain number of chances that you can have. I will ask the blocking admin to look at the unblock request (though he seems to be offline at the moment, so it may be a while). Black Kite 21:47, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Thank you Kite for even considering to give me another chance. Somehow, I feel I don't deserve that from you. I ask you if you think it's best that I leave the project? I honestly trust your opinion and would appreciate your thoughts. If you think it's best that I go, then please let me know? Thanks.

talk) 21:55, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

No, I don't believe that you should leave, but you must understand that the community does not have limitless patience. I'd say this - before you hit that "Save Page" button, think - "is this a good idea?". If you're getting stressed or angry, step away from the keyboard and come back when you're in a better frame of mind. Black Kite 21:59, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. I just feel at this moment that you're good advice is too late for me since I see the flipside of what I was doing. I just don't know. I'm extremely disappointed in myself. I'm such an ass.

talk) 22:10, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

I'm trying to unblock you, but my wireless radio is being really stupid right now, and I'm in class on top of that, so if you're not unblocked after I post this, post another unblock request or just wait for me to get back to my room (absolute latest would be an hour from now).

Caden, I do fully understand where you're coming from. I've also been accused of being racist; this happened just after I became an administrator, and it was not a pleasant thing. I was really strongly affected by it, and despite others agreeing with me that my actions were not untoward, it ended up ending with me and the editor accusing me of racism agreeing to avoid each other if at all possible. We still do to this day. However, the way you handled this was highly inappropriate, as BlackKite said. If someone accuses you of something, it's really not in your best interest to go deliberately proving them right. I know your actions were sarcastic, but they would still have the same effect on someone unaware of the situation as if you actually meant them. We get a whole world full of people here, and only a very tiny percentage will be even remotely aware of what's going on.

I'm going to preempt BlackKite here and say that it's not necessary for you to leave. From what I've seen, you are a valuable editor, and you've definitely learned a valuable lesson today which is sure to help you in the future. That said, BlackKite is again right that you only get so many chances, and this mess burnt through more than one of them. If you do choose to stay (which I would recommend you do), take care to be more aware of the impact your actions may take. It's impossible to think of everything, yes, and there's still the person that will be totally irrational. If they are being irrational, then others will notice and treat them accordingly. The important thing is that you're not acting irrational as you did with your signature. I think you understand that now, and for that reason I am unblocking you at this time. Happy editing, and make sure to get a

a/c) 22:09, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Autoblock released. PeterSymonds (talk) 22:30, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Sorry about that - right after I removed the direct block my wireless up and died entirely.

a/c) 22:49, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

• We've been having database problems today. Likely it'll clear up in a few. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP)} 20:58, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

{{helpme}} I'm confused. It was my understanding that I was unblocked. But I'm listed in these two categories: Category:Temporary Wikipedian userpages and Categories: Pending deletions.

• Somehow the Temporary category got on your user talk page. I removed it. I don't see the pending deletion one anymore. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP)} 00:29, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks!

talk) 00:31, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

I know Roux wouldn't want me to say this, but I kind of liked that signature of yours. It was too outrageous to be taken seriously. Probably better not to use it too much. But it was a way of mocking some of us, and pretty much deservedly so. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 01:57, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

I don't think it was meant seriously either. Caden: Have you thought about looking for another Adopter or Mentor? Also, I very strongly suggest that you not think about leaving the project, despite your temporary problems here. They will eventually recede if you develop a tougher skin to your hot button issues. And we all have them, to some extent or another, but some are better at avoiding them. I don't hate you, nor do I see any indications of hate from those admins and others that have made constructive suggestions. And please don't call yourself an ass. You aren't. And if you feel like bouncing anything off me, feel free, as I've been around the block a few times. — Becksguy (talk) 18:36, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

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Thanks Becksguy. No I have not thought of another editor to adopt me because quite honestly, I don't think anyone would want to. I'm not exactly a choirboy with a clean block log. But you're right I need to develop a tougher skin and control my temper. I was never called a racist before and I personally took offense to it because I have black buddies in real life. I'm happy to know you don' hate me though. That really means a lot so thank you. By the way, I love cookies.

talk) 18:57, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Actually, I'd be happy to adopt you. //roux   05:03, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Caden: I was going to say that you might be surprised who would be willing to adopt you, if you are interested. But Roux offered already. My suggestion is to not reject the idea of another adoption. Think about it and don't limit your options by making assumptions about people. My 2 cents. — Becksguy (talk) 11:58, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Becks, after my previous reply to you, I did some thinking about your advice and when I logged on here today I was prepared to ask you if you would be interested in taking me under your wing. Then I see that Roux made me an offer. Wow it's so cool to see two editors willing to adopt/mentor me. Would it be possible if you both could adopt me? Like maybe you could be my main adopter and Roux the co-adopter?

talk) 15:49, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Hi Caden! Hey I'm back. I was blocked too for 72 hours by the "corrupt admin". ;-) Hey I just wanted to say that you had a right to blow the fuse a little under the circumstances. I was getting a slimy taste in my mouth over it all too. The name change was a crack up too! Anyone could see the context of that who had read a few lines back. They deserved it! I'm sorry you had to take so much heat from some of these twits initially on the basis of supporting my perspective. You're being more magnanimous than they deserve in my opinion. I had some remarks you may not of seen on my talk page. Solidarity. Derek ParaGreen13 (talk) 04:08, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Welcome back Derek! Glad to see your block is over man. Yeah, I know, the whole situation over Cyclone's ANI on myself left a bad taste in my mouth too. I don't think he truly understands the distress he directly (intentional or not) caused me. Regardless of this, it's over and we both made peace. I think you're right that perhaps I've been too generous (my girlfriend agrees) with some on wiki, but that's a part of who I am. Anyway, it's good to see you back editing again. Oh and I did finally see your remarks. Like I said before man, you got balls.

talk) 15:49, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Hello, Caden. You have new messages at Shapiros10's talk page.
You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

Sam ^Blab 11:20, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Caden, I don't know if you are watching it, but I just made a minor request on Baseball's RfA. If you could take a look at it, that would be great. Comments like yours generally need "support" in the form of links so that others can evaluate the strength/weakness thereof.---

Please, I don't want to discuss this any further. Could another editor grant your request? If not, just strike my oppose.

talk) 19:22, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Don't worry, I'll link to it (even though I supported Bugs!) Black Kite 19:28, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Adoption 2

I threw this into a new section just to make things simpler.

Yes, I would be happy to co-adopt you with someone else. But as kotra had previously said to you, this is not a shield. I would suggest as a start that if you are ever getting into a dispute, or you have been brought up at AN/ANI/WQA, you stop responding immediately, and email one or both of us to gain our perspective first. So this is more of a mentoring thing than an adoption thing, as you already pretty much know the WP basics. //roux   18:52, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

I'm waiting for Becks to reply before anything is decided. I'm completely aware that this is not a shield and I never stated that it was intended to be so. I don't know if you noticed but when I now see that I may become involved with a dispute, I ask for help. I demonstrated this when I asked for Realist to assist in the image issue on the Boys Like Girls article.

talk) 18:13, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Well no, you reverted back and forth a couple times, and left a borderline-incivil comment on the other person's talkpage first. What I'm saying is, if you cannot respond completely politely--and you know when you're not; we all do--contact one of us first and we'll help you through it. The goal being, of course, that eventually you won't need to contact us. //roux   19:31, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Assuming there is no problem with you having two mentors, I accept. Roux has had more experience with adoption, but he is correct that this isn't about an introduction to WP for a new editor. It is about us listening to issues and providing feedback before you get into trouble. The old adage "It's Not What You Say, It's How You Say It" comes to mind, despite it's simplicity. I ask Black Kite to weigh in on this mentorship and make it official, since he is the admin most involved. The good news, Caden, is that there are editors that want you to be successful here (and I don't mean just Roux and me, I include those editors and admins that have made constructive suggestions). I believe that you, like the vast majority of us, are here to make Wikipedia better and more useful to our readers. It must be a major motivation, since the pay sucks. — Becksguy (talk) 21:34, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Okay thanks Becks. Feel free to go ahead and add the templates to both our user pages. I'd prefer to have just one mentor/adoptor. I'd like it to be you. Perhaps Roux can be like an editor that I go to for further advice if need be. I'm sure Kite will accept you as my mentor and so it should be no problem. Anyway, let me know if this is alright with you.

talk) 20:09, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Just to say that this is absolutely fine by me, a very good idea. Black Kite 21:12, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Some thoughts/checking in

Hiya. Wanted to see how you're coming along, and offer a suggestion. I'm not a big process wonk, so I don't much care who your 'official' adopter is; consider it some friendly advice and a good opportunity to contribute without getting into any scrapes.

One of the major backlogs on Wikipedia is

new page patrol

. Basically, as new pages get created they get added to a log. They need to be checked to make sure they meet our criteria--a worrying number are attack pages, hoaxes, yet another MySpace band, etc. The problem is, the log can only hold so many, and once a page is more than 31 days old, it vanishes. And new pages being what they are, the likelihood of seeing them again is pretty low. This can allow for some pretty bad/dumb stuff to sit around in mainspace effectively forever, when it should be removed. I think it would be great for you to get involved in patrolling a few new pages every day. Here's my process:

1. I click here. It takes me to the back of the log, the oldest pages, which is where all patrolling should happen.
2. I open up all five pages in new tabs
3. Click the 'mark as patrolled' link at the very bottom-right of every page immediately. This gets it out of the log.
4. Click on 'page' after the 'This page has been marked as patrolled' page loads to get back to all five pages
5. If something seems off with how it's written, copy/paste the text into this, which does a fast Google search for copyvio/plagiarism
6. Mark for speedy deletion or
   Twinkle
   ) if appropriate, otherwise
7. Edit:

• grammar
• spelling
• MOS
• tidy up web-based references using thislink. I have another version that I use, it's a javascript bookmarklet in my toolbar, automatically fills in the pagename and stuff. Let me know if you want it.
• Remove unreliable refs, etc.

And finally tag (using

Friendly

or Twinkle) for cleanup, unreferenced, refimprove, etc etc, for any issues I don't feel like handling immediately

Then I just hit refresh on the NPP tab, and do the next five. It's surprisingly relaxing, and you're unlikely to ever get into any disputes. And the ones you do get into will be an excellent learning opportunity in how to explain how Wikipedia works, without you being emotionally invested in the dispute's outcome. If you find it's heated, then get Becks or myself involved.

As a side note, I also keep all pages I tag for CSD, and any that are closed as Delete at AFD, on my watchlist. You'd be astonished how many times the same person will come back and recreate it. //roux   05:08, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Cloudbuster: Keep or redirect and merge?

The

Orgone energy. The editor who participated in the discussion and then performed the merge believes that the merge/redirect is supported by consensus. I am posting this notice to the talk page of each of the editors who participated in the discussion, including the nominator, to ensure that this is the case. -- Shunpiker (talk) 18:11, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Possible April Fools Joke

I believe Stwalkerster retirement is an April Fools Joke, given the edit summaries. — R² 18:42, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Topic ban modified, to expire as soon as it's May. ( And yes, my "retirement" was only an April Fool's Joke :D ) Stwalkerster [ talk ] 22:25, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Just as a quick comment for future reference: my memory is like a sieve. If I say I'll do something, and subsequently don't - I've probabally forgotten, so feel free to poke me again about it :) Stwalkerster [ talk ] 07:34, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

OK, Caden. Slightly less than a month until the end of the topicban. Best wishes and I know you will come out of this a better editor. — Becksguy (talk) 09:47, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Awesome, thanks so much Becks. And thanks to Stwalkerster too.

^{is cool} 12:44, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

User:CENSEI

Please be careful about defending this editor. Whilst it might appear on the surface that CENSEI is in the same situation as you, this is not the case at all. I appreciate realise that you were blocked for making comments that were your own opinion, but at least that was all they were; CENSEI appears to take pleasure in attacking editors based on their own racial, sexual or other preferences, and is thus trolling. Black Kite 01:23, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

I beg your pardon? You "appreciate" that I was "blocked" for expressing my opinion? Are you kidding me? That sir is insulting! I never expected this from you man. I've lost all respect for you based on that comment of yours alone. From this day forward, please do not contact me again under any circumstances. I do not wish to hear from you ever again.

^{is cool} 15:52, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Caden... in that context, 'appreciate' means 'understand'. //roux   15:59, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

What he said. "Appreciate" = "understand" or "realise". I've changed it to make it clearer. Black Kite 16:32, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

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