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You seem to be intent on classifying the presidency of the National Association of the Deaf (United States) as a "cultural office", however:

• The article National Association of the Deaf (United States) clearly states that it is "a non-profit organization"--specifically a nonprofit advocacy organization, so {{s-npo}} absolutely applies.
• A survey of Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:S-culture&limit=500 shows that its use is limited to positions in government-run (or at least government-funded) organizations that preserve or promote a particular nation's culture (e.g., like the Taiwanese Cultural Office), so {{s-culture}} seems wholly inappropriate.

This leaves the question: Can you cite a

• -- DanielPenfield (talk) 20:00, 10 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Answer:

See:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Succession_Box_Standardization/Guidelines#Cultural_offices_.28s-culture.29

Quoting that page:

Cultural offices (s-culture)

These are important positions in prestigious cultural institutions, including:

• Chairmen and curators of major museums
• Managers of famous theatres
• Heads of important organisations, institutions, unions, and companies related to culture
  • President of the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences

Unquote

Clercfan (talk) 20:45, 11 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

You lost me—could you break that one down, please?

1. Yes ___ No ___ "T. Alan Hurwitz was a chairman of a major museum."
2. Yes ___ No ___ "T. Alan Hurwitz was a curator of a major museum."
3. Yes ___ No ___ "T. Alan Hurwitz was a manager of a famous theater."
4. Yes ___ No ___ "T. Alan Hurwitz was a head of an important organization related to culture."
5. Yes ___ No ___ "T. Alan Hurwitz was a head of an important institution related to culture.
6. Yes ___ No ___ "T. Alan Hurwitz was a head of an important union related to culture."
7. Yes ___ No ___ "T. Alan Hurwitz was a head of an important company related to culture."

Thanks.

-- DanielPenfield (talk) 21:54, 11 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It's your interpretation that "culture" should only mean "the arts". Obviously, the NAD is an organization related to culture, in the broader sense. See the book: Culture : a critical review of concepts and definitions by A. L. Kroeber and Clyde Kluckhohn Clercfan (talk) 05:07, 12 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It ain't obvious to me and it appears that you are not able to cite a

WP:SYNTHESIS

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Do not combine material from multiple sources to reach or imply a conclusion not explicitly stated by any of the sources. If one reliable source says A, and another reliable source says B, do not join A and B together to imply a conclusion C that is not mentioned by either of the sources. This would be a synthesis of published material to advance a new position, which is original research.

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http://www.nad.org/about-us

Quote:

Core Values

◦Language. We value the acquisition, usage, and preservation of American Sign Language.

◦Culture. We value the right of deaf and hard of hearing Americans to share similar beliefs, sense of belonging, and experiences as a signing community.

Unquote

It follows that the presidency is a cultural office. That's not a logical inference on my part. It's simply a fact borne out by the meanings of words. The "president" of an organization presides over the organization to accomplish the purposes of the organization.

Clercfan (talk) 07:51, 14 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Your statement	My response
"It follows that the presidency is a cultural office."	This is the inference. If you don't know what an inference is, look at the dictionary definition.
"That's not a logical inference on my part."	In the very next sentence following your admission that you're making an inference, you claim that you're not making an inference. Incredible.
"It's simply a fact borne out by the meanings of words."	The snippet that you offer from the "About Us" section of the organization's website does not explicitly state that they're a "cultural institution", nor does it state that their presidency is a "cultural office". It's almost as if you think that simply putting the word "culture" on one's website makes one's organization a "cultural institution". IBM claims it has a "culture of trust". Does that mean you're going to change {{S-bus}} to {{S-culture}} in the succession box in the article on Thomas J. Watson?

Finally, let me point out that you still can't seem to cite a

reliable source

that explicitly states that the National Association of the Deaf is a "cultural institution" or that its presidency is a "cultural office".

-- DanielPenfield (talk) 14:29, 14 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It's not a logical inference. It might be a judgment of some kind, as you point out, but this is besides the point. Wikipedia articles cannot be written without making some kind of judgments. All language use involves making judgments, since every instance of using language involves people interpreting what others are attempt to communicate to them. Also, which rule in Wikipedia mandates that an explicit reference to "cultural office" and "cultural institution" must be located in order to include such information in a Wikipedia article?

Clercfan (talk) 04:29, 16 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Laurent Clerc

Wikisource has this autobiographical text about Laurent Clerc. It may be appropriate there but not really on Wikipedia because Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. So I deleted that text from the Laurent Clerc page. That text could however be a good source for details that you could comb out of it and write into the Laurent Clerc page, encyclopedic detail if you find any in it, not the whole text. If you do, you could cite that text and link to the Wikisource page the text can be found on or this Google books page. Hope this helps. Cheers, --Rogerhc (talk) 06:12, 8 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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