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Hi, thanks for message. You can sign your comments automatically using four tildes ~~~~. There were other problems with your article

• it did not provide adequate
  independent verifiable sources to enable us to verify the facts and show that it meets the notability guidelines
  . It is now Wikipedia policy that biographical articles about living people must have independent verifiable references, as defined in the link, or they will be deleted. Sources that are not acceptable include those linked to her, social media and other sites that can be self-edited, blogs, websites of unknown or non-reliable provenance, and sites that are just reporting what she claims or interviewing her management. Not all your references met those criteria and, worryingly, none have url links so they are hard to verify
• it was written in a
  promotional
  tone. Articles must be neutral and encyclopaedic. Examples of unsourced or inappropriately sourced claims presented as fact include: a leading force in British dance theatre for nearly twenty years, she has built a reputation for challenging, exciting and visually stunning dance and continues to add to the body of critically acclaimed, artistically respected yet accessible work both for her company and for some of the leading arts institutions she works with across the world... there are many other selective quotes, which in any case have no place in a biography. The whole tone is promotional; Facts, not opinions please.
• You have no wikilinks to other articles, eg choreographer
• One external link to her main website only please

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kind regards Fjralph Fjralph (talk) 11:23, 9 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, thanks for message. First note that I will not see your messages unless you post on my talk page or you post here, starting with a link to my user name Jimfbleak and signing your message using four tildes ~~~~.

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Jimfbleak - talk to me? 12:27, 11 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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I am creating this article purely due to my passion and interest... trying to offer information to share with others who similarly share this interest and/or would like to find out more— the point is that you are not here to write a fan page or preach to the converted, you have to write a factual article for a general audience. I think you have taken this on board, and I'll keep an eye on the article. Good luck with your job. Jimfbleak - talk to me? 11:05, 14 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I've made these edits, please check the history for details. I've formatted the first few refs using <ref>[url description]</ref> to avoid bare urls, you should do the others. If you use ref name= and put the name in quotes, you must use straight quotes, not curly, I fixed a couple (or chose a one-word name and don't use quotes. Jimfbleak - talk to me? 13:18, 14 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

You seem to have deleted the entire section of Awards and Recognitions — none were referenced, and a kitchen sink list of everything they have ever achieved looks spammy. Some look pretty low level anyway. At a minimum you need to reference the awards, and you would do better to write in prose and concentrate on a few of the most notable.

"A multi-award winning choreography", which is a fact and not purely promotional. — well, technically yes, but it's like "renowned", "world-famous" and the like, they look promotional even if true, and will attract the attention of admins and other patrollers (you have one on your back already, you really don't need more). Better to let the facts of the company speak for themselves rather than use PR talk

"In 2012, the Jasmin Vardimon Company relocated to Ashford, Kent, opening its new creative home, ‘The Jasmin Vardimon Production Space’", once again, is this not a fact? And if so, why have you chosen to delete it? — definitely a fact, and definitely copied verbatim from a copyrighted web page, not permitted. You have to rewrite in your own words (and not just a close paraphrase)

Jimfbleak - talk to me? 13:57, 14 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• You chose to cut a complete paragraph which began with "Vardimon’s movement is known for its unique mixture of physical theatre, quirky characterizations, innovative technologies, text and dance"—. It was copied verbatim from a copyrighted source, not permitted. It's clear in any case that the text was written by the company, and even if that were not the case, an opinion from a single source does not make it a verifiable objective fact. Who knows it? How do you know it's unique other than that the company says so.
• Secondly, can I ask why you chose to delete the external links section—Maybe I'm just being dim, but did it ever have an external links section? If so can you give me a difference link or an exact date and time of the relevant edit? Usually ELs are removed if they are social media, YouTube etc. One link to the company's main website is OK if that helps
• "It is a practical course designed to bridge the gap between student and professional life, and train participants as versatile and multi-disciplinary performers, whilst exploring the dialogue between theatre and dance, improving strength, endurance and technique." —I take your point, what about "It is a practical course designed to bridge the gap between student and professional life, and aims to train participants as versatile and multi-disciplinary performers by improving strength, endurance and technique."? That makes it an aim rather than probably unverifiable fact, and removes the "dialogue" bit which is non-factual padding

Jimfbleak - talk to me? 11:11, 16 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

You are right, the ELs were in the deleted version. I have doubts about the wisdom of adding these. They aren't social media, but they are very selective positive reviews and commentary, which I'm not sure are appropriate here. It's the sort of thing which would be better on the company website. There seems no point to them beyond posting cherry-picked opinions, which isn't really appropriate in a factual article. Jimfbleak - talk to me? 12:20, 16 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Well, sooner or later someone other than the two of us is going to look at this article and may come to different conclusions about acceptability, and although you may find this difficult to believe there are people out there who are more critical than me, and might view it as cherry-picked and spammy in tone. If you feel you really must have some or all of these, a "Further reading" section might be a safer bet. If you could find someone who is critical of her, her management style or methods, that would give some much-needed balance to the piece Jimfbleak - talk to me? 14:23, 16 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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