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Pneumothorax

Hi Gene, if you remember, you found some useful sources out for User:Jfdwolff when he took Pneumothorax through Good Article, and I promised I'd knock up a few words on diving related PTX. Well, Pneumothorax is now a Featured Article Candidate and I've left a couple of paragraphs (all sourced from Bennett and Elliott as he seemed to like that best) on the article talk page. I'd be really grateful if you had a few minutes to look over that bit of the talk page sometime, and let us know how what I've written might be improved – or any other observations that might help JFW. Cheers, --RexxS (talk) 16:08, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Yount, D. E. and D. C. Hoffman. 1986.

Hi Gene, Do you have a copy of Yount, D. E. and D. C. Hoffman. 1986. On the use of a bubble formation model to calculate diving tables. Aviation, Space, and Environmental Medicine, 57: 149-156.? I can't find it in Rubicon. Cheers, Peter (Southwood) (talk): 16:27, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

I am also looking for Hennessy TR 1988 Modelling human exposure to altered pressure environments. In: Environmental Ergonomics (eds Mekjavik, IB, Banister, EW, Morrison, JB,). London: Taylor & Francis, which seems to be somewhat difficult to find. Peter (Southwood) (talk): 09:41, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
Also looking for Hamilton, R.W., D.J. Crosson and A.W. Hulbert (eds.). 1989. Harbor Branch Workshop on Enriched Air Nitrox Diving. Report 89-1. NOAA National Undersea Research Program. Rockville, MD. Peter (Southwood) (talk): 08:29, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
I am so sorry Peter... Have not been here in a while. I did request the book and it showed up last week. I'll get the scan to you later today if all goes as planned. I also have the Morgan chapter on Panic you asked for. This Hamilton workshop has the binding cut but I have not had a chance to add it to the database. I'll try to get to that this week as well. Exciting stuff for Rubicon is what has kept me away but the grant request is almost done so I should be back in action soon. Thanks! --Gene Hobbs (talk) 15:51, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
No problem Gene, Some of us have lives outside of Wikipedia... I assumed you were away for some reason, and its good to know it was for improving Rubicon. Good luck with that, and thanks for the articles, I will read them now. Cheers, Peter (Southwood) (talk): 06:24, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

BSAC '88 tables

Hi Gene, I was hoping that Hennessy 1988 might throw some light on the origin and or basis of the BSAC 1988 tabels, but interesting as the article is as a criticism of modelling and testing procedures, it doesn't appear to have any discenable relevance to BSAC '88. Do you know of anything that provides some information on the model/theory of the BSAC '88 tables? Cheers, Peter (Southwood) (talk): 08:02, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

BSAC88 tables are based on a 'single tissue' that Hempleman proposed in 1958, and it is novel in that it supposed that gas elimination is 1.5 times slower than than uptake. There's a decent discussion of the model and how it developed in
  • Lippmann, John;
    ISBN 0-9752290-1-X
    .
(which is an excellent book and worth buying anyway!) as well as a couple of pages in
which is by an SAA colleague of mine and which surveys many different models/tables and puts them into context with each other. Mark's book does contain some oddities that Gene and I haven't been able to satisfactorily explain, but it's a comprehensive overview and worth a read if you can find a copy. I'm sure Gene will be able to give you some more recommendations, but those are something to get you started, Peter. Cheers, --RexxS (talk) 16:58, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Neo-Haldanean models

Hi Gene, Do you know of a reference which defines neo-Haldanean/neo-Haldanian (both spellings appear to be used), and distinguishes it from Haldanian models? Cheers, Peter (Southwood) (talk): 16:12, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

Definition/reference for msw and fsw

Hi Gene, do you know of a good reference for definition of metres sea water and feet sea water? I want to write an article on them, and all I have is USN Diving Manual R6 Table 2.10. Google doesn't seem to help. Peter (Southwood) (talk): 10:09, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

File:Clark1974.jpg listed for deletion

A file that you uploaded or altered,

Wikipedia:Files for deletion. Please see the discussion to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire)
08:55, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

Decompression (diving) nomination for A-class article

Hi Gene, I think Decompression (diving) is up to A-class, Please take a look when you have the time and comment on article talk page. Peter (Southwood) (talk): 06:52, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

Merge proposal

I propose to merge

Glossary of SCUBA diving into Glossary of underwater diving terminology (and redirect) as it is a subset of the appropriate contents for this article. Merging would reduce duplication, reduce maintenance and improve usefulness. Glossary of SCUBA diving is also non-compliant with WP:MOSGLOSS and WP:SCUBA naming conventions (should be Glossary of scuba diving terms, which should also be a redirect). Discussion on Talk:Glossary of underwater diving terminology Peter (Southwood) (talk)
: 10:15, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

Norwegian tables

Hi Gene, Do you have any information or references on the Norwegian tables? Particularly history and theoretical basis. I am doing a mjor rehash of Decompression (diving) (basically splitting it into 3 or 4 articles, as it is too big), and would like to put in a section on the NT in the appropriate split out section. Your comments on the proposed split are also invited. Cheers, • • • Peter (Southwood) (talk): 10:14, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Hi Peter, I don't have a copy of them but I also need to ask which ones? Sport or commercial? If you let me know what you are looking for I'll shoot some emails off to find what I can.
I like the splitting idea. It is really long now. One request on that would be that you see if the split articles could be used for "Did you know?" submissions. I don't think the qualify but it is worth checking if you have a chance.
Thanks! --Gene Hobbs (talk) 13:39, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
Gene, I didn't even know there are Norwegian sport tables. The commercial tables that are referenced in the Proceedings of the validation of dive computers workshop are fist priority, but sport tables will also be mentioned if I can get something on them.
The article has been split, and cleaning up has started. My current goal is to simplify the original to make it easier to understand for people with no background, and keep the technical explanations in the three new articles, but I am finding this difficult. Some of the concepts are not easy to explain in plain English.
I have no idea yet of what is involved in DYK submissions, but will have a look. Cheers, • • • Peter (Southwood) (talk): 13:09, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

100% oxygen use by divers

Thanks for your feedback on oxygen toxicity talk page, and the formatting as well. Makes perfect sense. Learjeff (talk) 17:37, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

Anytime! Love questions like that :) --Gene Hobbs (talk) 18:03, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

Diving medicine article - request for your comments

Hi Gene, I would like to start expanding the Diving medicine article, but would like your opinion on what it should contain. See the talk page. Cheers, • • • Peter (Southwood) (talk): 14:25, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

I left some notes on the talk page. I have also been drafting another organization that would help here too... Let me pull out my notes and see what I can do to at least get it moving again. --Gene Hobbs (talk) 14:50, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

Real world hello

Hi Gene, great to hear from you. I replied to your awesome email and hope we can help eachother on our common mission to improve access to medical resources and their integration with Wikipedia. If you haven't before, you might want to check out

WikiProject Medicine and Wiki Project Med Foundation, both efforts full of great and passionate folks. Cheers! Ocaasi t | c
01:11, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

Just replied. I am very aware of those projects and have had some contact with a few members over the years. I tend to focus my time on the few areas I do know well and that is not always very far reaching. I look forward to hearing back. Take care --Gene Hobbs (talk) 01:46, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

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OK, don't say this often but LOVE this bot! Very good catch. --Gene Hobbs (talk) 23:24, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

Bill Hamilton mug shot?

Hi Gene, I have started an article on

Robert William Hamilton, Jr. and it would be improved by a photo. Do you have access to anything that could be loaded to commons? Cheers, • • • Peter (Southwood) (talk)
: 15:50, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

I'll call his wife tonight --Gene Hobbs (talk) 15:52, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
Have one that I am allowed to reuse. I'll try to get it up this weekend. --Gene Hobbs (talk) 04:00, 6 April 2013 (UTC)
Thanks, nice work. • • • Peter (Southwood) (talk): 06:11, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

Done! --Gene Hobbs (talk) 18:20, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

Download problem on RRR

Hi Gene, I have been unable to download Vorosmarti J, Linaweaver PG (eds). Fitness to Dive. 34th Undersea and Hyperbaric Medical Society Workshop. UHMS Publication Number 70(WS-WD)5-1-87. Bethesda: Undersea and Hyperbaric Medical Society; 1987. I get error C:\My Documents\Downloads\34UHMS.pdf.part could not be saved, because the source file could not be read. I have tried with IE8, Chrome and Firefox. Does it work for you? Cheers, • • • Peter (Southwood) (talk): 08:25, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up. That is a BIG file. You need to right click and select "save target as" to get it to download locally. I just tried it and the download started (can't wait on it to finish since I need to get to work). Let me know if that does not work and I'll break the document up into parts. Thanks! --Gene Hobbs (talk) 11:45, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
Best I have been able to get is 87% • • • Peter (Southwood) (talk): 17:11, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
OK, I'll try to break the file up into parts tomorrow. I can't get to it today the way things are stacking up here. Thanks --Gene Hobbs (talk) 18:26, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

Done! (There is a file named "34UHMS_small.pdf" in there too now --Gene Hobbs (talk) 00:55, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, got it. • • • Peter (Southwood) (talk): 11:56, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

About time

Gene Hobbs is now in mainspace thanks to Wikirich42 (talk · contribs). Cool.

Needs a few lines on your work as a Wikipedian! Best if you don't edit your own page, but you can drop any info on the article talk page, of course. Or just let me know. Cheers --RexxS (talk) 20:02, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

Wow, I thought Mike was pulling my leg when he sent the text earlier today. I'll send Rich an email thanking him later. I guess the blog posts I am writing as a "how to" for scientists got used against me. =)
Looks like it could use a little copy editing and maybe break the main section into Diving and Duke or Diving, Duke, and Rubicon. The timeline looks right with all the overlapping but probably would be better split.
I'd love to see what you came up with. I could probably help expand some sections if you think it is needed. Thanks! --Gene Hobbs (talk) 23:10, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
I'll have a crack at copyediting and wikifying it and breaking it into "Early life"/"Career"/"Personal life" like most BLPs and "something something" to catch all your other stuff (maybe "Diving"). But that will have to wait a couple of days as I have to be in London tomorrow to chair a WMUK meeting. Any info to expand sections would be valuable and a good mugshot would be great - as we always point out to folks! --RexxS (talk) 00:40, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

DYK for European Underwater and Baromedical Society

Casliber (talk · contribs

) 08:03, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks! --Gene Hobbs (talk) 11:49, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Gene Hobbs

Not one of yours this time, but you might want to check out the Main page between 23 April 04:00 and 23 April 12:00 (EST). --RexxS (talk) 17:45, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Medical applications of rebreather technology.

Hi Gene, can you suggest any good references that might be useful for expanding the article on rebreathers to include medical applications? Cheers, • • • Peter (Southwood) (talk): 20:58, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

Thank should get us started. I like the VAM site as you can tell. We use it with our new anesthesia learners every year. I am watching the progress you guys are making. Feel free to tag things that need references and I'll make a run on the whole page at once. Nice work! --Gene Hobbs (talk) 00:02, 26 April 2013 (UTC)
Thanks, Will do. • • • Peter (Southwood) (talk): 18:19, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

Precious

technical diving
Thank you for quality articles on your passion for technical diving, letting us know on scientific background about the European Underwater and Baromedical Society and other organisations, and about yourself and other divers, - you are an awesome Wikipedian!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:43, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

Nomination of Anne-Marie Baiynd for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Anne-Marie Baiynd is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Anne-Marie Baiynd until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Redtigerxyz Talk 17:00, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up. --Gene Hobbs (talk) 17:47, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Gender divide

Your excellent paragraph on gender divide doesn't really have much relevance to the topic of

talk
) 02:11, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

Glad you found a good home for it. Thanks! --Gene Hobbs (talk) 02:27, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

ISBN error

Hi Gene, Following ref from RRR has an ISBN problem. Can the ISBN be corrected, or do we ignore?

Shreeves, K and Richardson, D (2006). "Mixed-Gas Closed-Circuit Rebreathers: An Overview of Use in Sport Diving and Application to Deep Scientific Diving". In: Lang, MA and Smith, NE (eds.). Proceedings of Advanced Scientific Diving Workshop. Smithsonian Institution, Washington, DC. ISBN 20060725 Check |isbn= value (help). Retrieved 2008-06-14.

Cheers, • • • Peter (Southwood) (talk): 07:46, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

Hmm... That was what I had for it and that was from the front cover. I'd vote for leaving it until this new bot starts fixing things or pull it out of the string since I don't really see much value add there myself. Whatever you do is probably not wrong at this point. --Gene Hobbs (talk) 01:59, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
This happens. The fix is to tell it to ignore the apparent error. I will do that. • • • Peter (Southwood) (talk): 14:09, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

CO2 physiological effects

Hi Gene, do you have a good ref for physiological effects of ppCO2? Cheers, • • • Peter (Southwood) (talk): 15:45, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

Well, I like the Lambertsen ref (currently #7) in the Hypercapnia article but I guess it depends on what aspect you are really looking for. Let me know if that one does not work for you. Just an FYI, I am out of town for most of next week and not sure what kind of time on here I will have. --Gene Hobbs (talk) 01:59, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
I think that might be the 71MB file that I gave up on after quarter of an hour. If all else fails I will try to find out if the graph Fig 3.11 in the NOAA Manual is copyright. Cheers, • • • Peter (Southwood) (talk): 14:09, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
Let me know when you have issues downloading if the right click "save target as" method is not working for you. I can always make things smaller. You need to go with the OLD versions of the NOAA manual. The first couple of editions were US Government copyright so the image is free. After that, Jim Joyner moved the manuals under Best Publishing and they were copyrighted. (I don't understand how that works but at least we can still use the old ones) --Gene Hobbs (talk) 14:24, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
Download worked this time. Also found my old NOAA manual second edition which was printed by US Govt printing office/Dept of Commerce - presumably PD? It is Fig 2.4 in the old book. If it was PD, it must still be PD. Cheers, • • • Peter (Southwood) (talk): 14:46, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
Yes! Perfect! Use that one. It is still PD. --Gene Hobbs (talk) 15:51, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

Looking for Nuckols formula

If you have access to Nuckols, M.L., J.R. Clarke and W.J. Marr, 1999. Assessment of Oxygen Levels in Alternative Designs of Semi-Closed Underwater Breathing Apparatus. J.of Life Support and Biosphere Science, Vol 6, pp 239-249. could you get me Nuckols' formula or algorithm for ppO2 in loop of presumably a passive addition SCR, as cited on page 68 in Nuckols, ML; Finlayson, WS; Newville, B; Gavin, WA Jr (2001). "Comparison of predicted and measured oxygen levels in a semi-closed underwater breathing apparatus.". OCEANS, 2001 (MTS/IEEE Conference and Exhibition) 3. Retrieved 2013-05-16. which I got from RRR. Thanks, • • • Peter (Southwood) (talk): 12:27, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

I'll email Lew and John now. I'm sure one of them can get the paper to me. --Gene Hobbs (talk) 21:12, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
Check your email :) --Gene Hobbs (talk) 01:57, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Anne-Marie Baiynd