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- I have replied to you at talk page of article, it was revert to version at 11 april . Hope you will not continue to do not consensus changes at infobox --Geohem (talk) 06:28, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
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Battle of Konotop
- You are wrong, removing reliable source it is a WP:POV. Such scholar as Davies has written, that 4,679 it is estimate based on the Russian documents, otherwise exist another estimate - 30000. As I understand, you didn’t read this book? Geohem (talk) 13:31, 3 February 2017 (UTC)]
- I guess it is you who should clearly read the sources instead of making disruptive edits and re-read my previous message, as you have failed to understand it. All the sources are critical towards the 30,000 figure, don't accept it and consider it a hugely inflated number. That old estimate has been criticized at length by modern scholars as unreliable, exaggerated, and not based on any credible evidence whatsoever. And again, I have to repeat that these sources don't support your number, so don't place it before them to make it seem "sourced". See the sources cited and the rest of the article. It shouldn't be placed above modern and more reliable estimates, though it can be mentioned somewhere in the 'Aftermath' section. Not to mention that all numbers in the infobox are from recent studies, whereas yours is an old one and has nothing to do with them. talk) 14:12, 3 February 2017 (UTC)]
- Can you quote where, for example, Davies are critical towards the 30,000 figure, don't accept it and consider it a hugely inflated number?Geohem (talk) 14:46, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
- Davies is just one of them and, as I have pointed out, he prefers the documentary evidence over the claim repeated by "some writers": "Although some writers repeat the claim that 30,000 Muscovites were killed or captured at Konotop, lists Trubetskoi submitted to the Ambassadors’ Chancellery report total losses of 4,769 men: 2,830 of L’vov’s and Pozharskii’s column sent across the Sosnovka, and 1,896 during the attacks upon Trubetskoi’s withdrawing wagenburg. Soloviev’s judgment that “the flower of the Russian cavalry had perished in one day” is true only in the sense that at least 259 of those killed or captured were officers or men of Moscow rank (zhilets and above)." Only 259 officers lost, documentary evidence over claims repeated by some writers. He also adds that the Russian army "numbered about 15–20,000 men, the maximum that could have been spared at the time from the Belgorod Line, when it had entered Ukraine in November". Needless to say, 15,000-20,000 men could not lose 30,000. If you have any problems with understanding his text, you can always reach him by email and he will tell you exactly the same thing and prove he doesn't accept the old estimate. talk) 15:17, 3 February 2017 (UTC)]
- He represent the number of 4,769, as submitted in lists Trubetskoi. But he didn't prove this figures, as you told. Geohem (talk) 15:48, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
- He doesn't need to, as other historians have already done it in great detail, and documentary evidence checked by a state commission is (regarded by historians and Davies in particular as) more reliable than claims made out of thin air and not based on anything worth of consideration. For the detailed criticism of those claims see other works cited in the article; the criticism has also been supported by Kroll, and no scholar to date has come up with any rational argument to counter it. talk) 16:32, 3 February 2017 (UTC)]
- He doesn't need to, as other historians have already done it in great detail, and documentary evidence checked by a state commission is (regarded by historians and Davies in particular as) more reliable than claims made out of thin air and not based on anything worth of consideration. For the detailed criticism of those claims see other works cited in the article; the criticism has also been supported by Kroll, and no scholar to date has come up with any rational argument to counter it.
- He represent the number of 4,769, as submitted in lists Trubetskoi. But he didn't prove this figures, as you told. Geohem (talk) 15:48, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
- Davies is just one of them and, as I have pointed out, he prefers the documentary evidence over the claim repeated by "some writers": "Although some writers repeat the claim that 30,000 Muscovites were killed or captured at Konotop, lists Trubetskoi submitted to the Ambassadors’ Chancellery report total losses of 4,769 men: 2,830 of L’vov’s and Pozharskii’s column sent across the Sosnovka, and 1,896 during the attacks upon Trubetskoi’s withdrawing wagenburg. Soloviev’s judgment that “the flower of the Russian cavalry had perished in one day” is true only in the sense that at least 259 of those killed or captured were officers or men of Moscow rank (zhilets and above)." Only 259 officers lost, documentary evidence over claims repeated by some writers. He also adds that the Russian army "numbered about 15–20,000 men, the maximum that could have been spared at the time from the Belgorod Line, when it had entered Ukraine in November". Needless to say, 15,000-20,000 men could not lose 30,000. If you have any problems with understanding his text, you can always reach him by email and he will tell you exactly the same thing and prove he doesn't accept the old estimate.
- Can you quote where, for example, Davies are critical towards the 30,000 figure, don't accept it and consider it a hugely inflated number?Geohem (talk) 14:46, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
- I guess it is you who should clearly read the sources instead of making disruptive edits and re-read my previous message, as you have failed to understand it. All the sources are critical towards the 30,000 figure, don't accept it and consider it a hugely inflated number. That old estimate has been criticized at length by modern scholars as unreliable, exaggerated, and not based on any credible evidence whatsoever. And again, I have to repeat that these sources don't support your number, so don't place it before them to make it seem "sourced". See the sources cited and the rest of the article. It shouldn't be placed above modern and more reliable estimates, though it can be mentioned somewhere in the 'Aftermath' section. Not to mention that all numbers in the infobox are from recent studies, whereas yours is an old one and has nothing to do with them.
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Hello. I was just wondering if you could help us come to a consensus on the Taras Bulba-Borovets page. The user Nicolijaus seems to have his own ideas as to what should be on the page and keeps deleting sourced sentances. If you could come to the talk page and help make the consensus clear I would greatly appreciate it. Thank you very much. 71.121.248.91 (talk) 21:32, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
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Kiev name
I reverted your edits where you changed the article's text without changing the source. The source cited does not say "Kyiv". Please. refrain such steps in future, because that is a violation of our policy.--Paul Siebert (talk) 14:56, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
- Hi, could you please, provide where you have seen word "Kiev" in Праславянский лексический фонд / Под ред. О.Н. Трубачёва — М.: Наука, 1987. — Вып. 13. — С. 256-257. There is no Latin form.--Geohem (talk) 15:08, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
- Page 256-257. According to majority of English dictionaries, "Kiev" is the English name of the city Киев/Киiв. "Kyiv" is a secondary name. Just familiarize yourself with the sources cited in the "Kiev" article. (I am writing "Kiev", because my spell checker says "Kyiv" is a typo).
- The references to the last RM do not work, because Wikipedia is not a source for itself. Please, refrain from reintroducing your misinterpretation of sources. The article is under DS.--Paul Siebert (talk) 15:20, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
- There is no "Kiev" on page 256-257, please provide any proves that such latin word exist there. As well, I recommend to use Britannica for extension of your knowledge about this theme.--Geohem (talk) 15:27, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
- The references to the last RM do not work, because Wikipedia is not a source for itself. Please, refrain from reintroducing your misinterpretation of sources. The article is under DS.--Paul Siebert (talk) 15:20, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
- Yes, there is no "Kiev" there, because it is an etymology dictionary written in Russian. It explains the etymology of the word "Киев", and is used for that purpose in the Wikipedia article about Kiev's name. However, the word "Киев" is written in English as "Kiev", and "Kyiv" is an just a spelling of the Ukrainian word. That is what the cited sources say, and the fact that one Wikipedia article has been recently renamed does not change that fact that "Kiev" is the primary name in English. Wikoipedia's own text editor underlines "Kyiv" as a typo. All English dictionaries define "Kiev" as the only or a primary name of the city. Yes, Britannica changed the title of its article. That may be an indication of some trend that may make "Kyiv" a predomnant word in English. However, that hasn't happened yet. It is equally likely that the burst of usage of "Kyiv" will end soon, and the previous status quo will be restored. Wikipedia is not a magic crystal. Let's wait.--Paul Siebert (talk) 17:05, 16 November 2020 (UTC)]
- Yes, there is no "Kiev" there, because it is an etymology dictionary written in Russian. It explains the etymology of the word "Киев", and is used for that purpose in the Wikipedia article about Kiev's name. However, the word "Киев" is written in English as "Kiev", and "Kyiv" is an just a spelling of the Ukrainian word. That is what the cited sources say, and the fact that one Wikipedia article has been recently renamed does not change that fact that "Kiev" is the primary name in English. Wikoipedia's own text editor underlines "Kyiv" as a typo. All English dictionaries define "Kiev" as the only or a primary name of the city. Yes, Britannica changed the title of its article. That may be an indication of some trend that may make "Kyiv" a predomnant word in English. However, that hasn't happened yet. It is equally likely that the burst of usage of "Kyiv" will end soon, and the previous status quo will be restored.
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