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I haven't looked to far into it, but why was Image:Priceofexistence.jpg replaced by Image:Allshallperish_price.jpg? It really doesn't cause me much concern, though I tend to be a curious person. Cheers mate, ARandomHeretic 20:37, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Ah alright man, I didn't even think of that for some reason. Cheers, ARandomHeretic 03:02, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Bleeding Through

Hey i noticed you nominated Bleeding Through for GA, however i think it's not quite ready.

You should remove all the red links as they are an eye-sore.

The lead contains more references than the body - information about the band forming needs references and statistics like "As This Is Love, This Is Murderous passed the 100,000 sales figure in the USA" definitely needs one. I could add {fact} tags so you get a rough idea where references would go but it will get quick-failed as a GA.

A lot of the information is about who/where the band toured, you should add information on the critical reception of an album - include postive and negative comments, where it was reviewed (all Music Guide, Rolling Stone etc) and include quotes. (Reign in Blood as an example)

References all need a retrieve date like the blabbermouth.net references do

Remove wikilinks that add nothing to the article - [[Australia]

If you want more feedback just leave me a message. M3tal H3ad 14:40, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

A retrieve date refers to the date you accessed the reference (like today) - for web archive purposes, not the actually date the topic was made. For the Blabbermouth refs you should use the coding |date=(insert date here) and just use today for the retrieve date. Also consider having sub-headings under the biography section like 'Early years' and have the album titles as sub-headings and place the appropriate information under that section, like done in Slayer so it looks more organized. M3tal H3ad 07:05, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
Yea 'date' refers to the date it was created, and the line under mentions the retrieve date is used for internet archives, all web references should have one for archive purposes, just add |date= for the blabber refs. M3tal H3ad 10:07, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
Yep. M3tal H3ad 11:02, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
It's coming along nicely, goodjob. Although references should come after punctuation like ,[1] instead of [1],. You should also add the "band name" into the section that talks about the band's founding, short sections don't go well with reviewers. M3tal H3ad 07:58, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

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Audioslave

I'm not really an Audioslave fan but if you want to improve the article and need aid, I'll help you. (Gothbag 11:08, 23 July 2007 (UTC))

I'll help. Hello 21 12 19:00, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Audioslave request

I'm sorry, but I don't really know much about Audioslave, if I did, I'd definately help you. As for your grammar, you write English very well. (Tigerghost 21:06, 22 July 2007 (UTC))

I would be very glad to help you, as I like Audioslave also. But I do not like to give my e-mail to anyone (nothing personal) so if you would like you may paste it to the talk pge that you signed recently. And the previous person who signed this colomn, was very right from what I've seen you do use english grammer very well. Thank you for asking me for help.
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I'd love to help you with the grammar and language part. My e-mail is [email protected] if you want to send what you have. Good luck with making this a featured article! RageGarden 02:24, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

All I've seen looks good, but when refering to the band it should be "their" rather than "its" because the band is the people not the name. It's a pain to try getting it to a featured article. I want to get the band
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It all looks good you especially did a good job with sources. Do you like
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Bleeding Through

Ah, sorry, didn't mean to say neutrality issues. Now, the objectivity is fine. The only thing left is some word usage. The article is very flowery, and has a lot of over-the-top words, and some of them don't fit and or aren't correct, such as:

" The formative steps would be taken under the banner of Breakneck in 1998..." also, the sentence kind of loses ground after the list of band members.

" Line-up changes, witnessing the departure of Van Huss and the recruitment of Marc Jackson (Throwdown / Cold War) to cover bass whilst Tafolla reverted to guitar,[9] pushed the band into a sharper edged death metal feel and with that shift the new band name of Bleeding Through was duly adopted (after playing only one show as Breakneck[5]).[10]" should be reworded, as it's pretty blunt in current form. Could be "As the band witnessed various lineup changes, the departure of band member Van Huss and subsequent recruitment of Marc Jackson, they were pushed into a (sharper edged is NPOV) more conventional form of death metal." Also, what exactly was the change in sound?

" Also, the addition of keyboard was quite odd for a metalcore act as it brought some black metal influences into the music" doesn't really need to say "was quite odd", kind of POV-ish, even if the sources do reference it as being "quite odd".

The article needs some expansion. Sentences such as "After these two relatively unrecognized albums, Bleeding Through..." are pretty vague. When I read the article, I felt somewhat in the dark. The comprehensiveness needs to be increased more for depth and completeness.

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These are some major points that should be addressed first before the article is re-nominated for GAC. NSR77 ^T_C 21:15, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Sure, I'll help you out. One note, words that are all captilized in the reference section (Blabbermouth sources) need to be lower case, BLEEDING THROUGH - > Bleeding Through. M3tal H3ad 07:48, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
I was trying to clarify, it previously had "Some praised the" Who? names? who do they work for? So i guess it was the critics praising the album. You may also want to make a operate section for The Truth so every album has a section for better organization. M3tal H3ad 07:35, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

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Hi

If you have to ask me, the article is actually very satisfactory, compared to what I've seen it as before. I think now it should be able to pass the
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Yes...

I will try to help with the Audioslave article. By the way, how do you upload song samples onto Wikipedia and how do you listen to them? - Bagel7^T's 02:19, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

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Congrats, i see Audioslave passed the FAC. But where's the star on the page?(SUDUSER)₈₅ 05:38, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

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RE: Audioslave Article

Hey Gocsa, So sorry I never got back to you. I haven't actually logged in to wiki in a while I guess. Let me know if you still need help with the article, I'd love to do what I can.
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Godsmack

I fixed all those refs, as well as others. I got off pretty easy on that article.
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Alice in Chains

Hello, would you mind commenting on
Speak the truth!
] 23:21, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Would you mind checking it out again?
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Could you state your Support on the page so it is known please?
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Done. Will you give a statement?
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Thank you very much.
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Could you take another look at the article? It has improved vastly. Also could you re-comment on the FAC? —Burningclean _{[Speak the truth!]} 20:24, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
Please take another look. Skeletor2112 and I worked on it just this last day and I truley belive everything you wanted has been taken care of. —Burningclean _{[Speak the truth!]} 01:01, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
Thank you for commenting. Would you mind stricking out your oppose? Strapping Young Lad is looking nice, I saw it in your sandbox. —Burningclean _{[Speak the truth!]} 22:00, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

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SYL revamping

Hey man, you're doing an extremely kickass job with the SYL article revamp. I was thinking that once you have the main article cleaned up and good to go, we could double team Devin Townsend's page as well. There's a good portion of it already written but a lot of info needs sourcing and I can't find much on Google myself, so let me know what's up and if you're willing to help out sometime. Two wikipedians on a mission are better than one, especially when that mission involves Townsend. —Vanishdoom (talk) 02:30, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

You really are doing a great job. One thing I notice is that you are most definatly going to need a copyedit. You might want to add this:
1994-2006 Chaos Years. Peace, —Burningclean _{[Speak the truth!}
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I can't edit during the day due to school either. I didn't think many people did know about it. I made it right before I gave you the link. —Burningclean _{[Speak the truth!]} 21:37, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

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Audioslave

Hey, I performed a copy-edit of Audioslave also trimming details which I thought were unsuitable for a band article. Audioslave is by far the longest article in the Alt Rock project, and for a band with such a short history that seems anomalous. I removed stuff like details about the videos, contests, cover songs etc. I also think the Solo Projects sections is unsuitable for the Audioslave article as it will anyway be covered in the members' pages. What say you? indopug (talk) 15:01, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Actually, thats a
common misconception about the dates. However, I wonder the importance of such accurate details in the long run; ten years from now, will it really matter on what date they announced the new album name? I think a lot of this article's length can be attributed to stuff like announcements from the band. ("In early March 2005, Audioslave announced that their follow-up album's recording was completed. In addition, the band also revealed six song titles, the first single, and the US release date. They were still considering which other six songs to put on the record, while mixing the album.") Yeah, I was gonna bring up the Radiohead members section too... I think any relevant bits from that section can easily be incorporated into the prose. indopug (talk
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I think the whole thing can go; I don't think there is anything noteworthy from a Audioslave standpoint. And no, sorry, I have no offline access to music magazines. What is Strapping Young Lad's City anyway? indopug (talk) 19:15, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
Hmmm, thats a good point. Even then 330 words isn't much (a paragraph I guess); Audioslave (6 year history) shouldnt just be shorter by a paragraph than REM (20+ years)... I think Audioslave could be further trimmed by removing stuff like announcements dates ("On March 22, the band announced that they had set "Out of Exile" as the title of their new album, and launched a club tour, lasting from April 14 to May 20.") and stuff like that (the entire paragraph with the file-sharing piracy of "Civilian"). Even a lot of details like their tours and concerts can be stripped of their detail (I disagree with adding specific dates such as March 14, 2007; how is it better than just March 2007?), like the paragraph "On May 18, another free show followed... no one was injured seriously." seems trivial. The debut Letterman show para could be reduced too.

On another note, I really appreciate you concern for an article that you've already sweated for to get to FA :). Too many editors I have seen who seem to think that their work is done once the little bronze star is obtained. indopug (talk) 04:47, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
I removed that Cochise bit on Letterman before I read your message properly :(, add it back in if you like. I think we've sorted pretty much everything with article except that awfully choppy and unreferenced paragraph that lists all those video-games in Revelations is it necessary to mention all if not any of those games/movies? The last para of Revelations where the two are taking pot-shots at each other can be condensed; maybe we should reduce it to a single line about the "Audioslave business" (which seems like the only new info there anyway) and attach it to the previous paragraph. I also resisted the temptation to remove "Audioslave and Rage can open for each other" but that quote is just too awesome :D indopug (talk) 19:31, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
Oops, reverted. indopug (talk) 19:38, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
Why? indopug (talk) 15:58, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
Oh sorry, I coulda sworn I replied to that (maybe some time-out thing happened). Anyway, what I wanted to say was I removed those bands because they weren't just the members' previous bands, they were in many cases largely one-off special-event supergroup type of projects; I didn't think those needed to be listed. As for Bad Radio being included in Pearl Jam, the same way here SG and Rage are listed. Yeah, you've done a good job cutting a lot of stuff out; I still need convincing on that video games paragraph though. :) indopug (talk) 04:18, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
Brushing dust off hands* Yup, I think we've done a commendable job :D. Do you notice any remaining problems? indopug (talk) 04:49, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
Dude, you deserve this :) indopug (talk) 08:33, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

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For his efforts in the improvement and maintenance of Audioslave even after he took it to FA. indopug (talk) 08:33, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Looking at SYL right now, I'd say Musical Style section needs to be expanded upon, it doesn't really explain how the band sounds. Also add sound samples throughout (four or so), that really helps describe their sound. indopug (talk) 05:12, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
The article is looking very good, I'll give a copy-edit and review tomorrow night. :) indopug (talk) 17:17, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
Leave a message at WP:Metal, and ask major metal editors like LuciferMorgan, M3tal H3ad, Burningclean and Skeletor2112 to help you out too. indopug (talk) 17:20, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Hey, I'm worried that Eagldyth's concerns at FAC haven't been resolved--she normally hides them under a banner once she's satisfied. Have you pinged her? Surprised nobody else has reviewed though. I'll be supporting now. indopug (talk) 20:16, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

LOL. indopug (talk) 15:01, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Hey I have a suggestion regarding the sources; you should go to each of the websites, check their "About us" sections, and paste the relevant information onto the FAC page. That way, reviewers get a clear idea about the "questionable" sources, and can maybe make a case for their reliability. Its a far-shot, but worth a try I think. indopug (talk) 12:56, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Add maybe some stuff about how the band is underground, and how a sense of humour/being funny is an important part of their image to the lead. indopug (talk) 11:21, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

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Heya, here are the other sources I found. If you can't find something online, I can email you the full text. Hopefully you can find some useful things in these; if not, I think we'll have to consider the article comprehensive and as well-sourced as possible. --Laser brain (talk) 14:13, 9 June 2008 (UTC) articles

Smith, George Music: The Fake Glee of Thousands The Village Voice 48:36 (3 September 2003-9 September 2003) p. 86

Done

Waddell, Ray Organizers Go Underground For Package Tour Billboard - The International Newsweekly of Music, Video and Home Entertainment 117:13 (26 March 2005) p. 14

Walsh, Christopher Teran's Idea of Fun: Hard Rock on a Small Label Billboard - The International Newsweekly of Music, Video and Home Entertainment 115:26 (28 June 2003) p. 60

Perlah, Jeff CRITIQUE: EXTREME BEATS Modern Drummer 28:5 (May 2004) p. 144

READERS' PLATFORM Modern Drummer 27:9 (September 2003) p. 10

Youngblood, Wayne L New Releases: NEW RELEASES NEWS Goldmine 31:8:645 (15 April 2005) p. 39

Reesman, Bryan Jason Newsted: Making Up for Lost Time Goldmine 29:10:595 (16 May 2003) p. 50-52

Rashidi, Waleed Dave Lomardo: Return of the King Modern Drummer 30:9 (September 2006) p. 48-52, 54, 57, 59-63, 66, 68

Worley, Gail Fear Factory's Raymond Herrera: Embracing the New Fear Modern Drummer 28:8 (August 2004) p. 54-57, 59, 61-64

CRITIQUE: RECORDINGS Modern Drummer 27:6 (June 2003) p. 140

Perlah, Jeff Backbeats: Sounds of the Underground Modern Drummer 29:12 (December 2005) p. 168

Breckenfeld, Ed Off the Record: Strapping Young Lad's Gene Hoglan - The New Black Modern Drummer 30:11 (November 2006) p. 110-111

Titus, Christa L Music: "Billboard" Picks - Albums: Pop/Rock - Strapping Young Lad Billboard - The International Newsweekly of Music, Video and Home Entertainment 117:14 (2 April 2005) p. 29

Sanchez, Matt Profiles: Strapping Young Lad, Fear Factory - Byron Stroud: Metal's Busy Young Lad Bass Player 17:1 (January 2006) p. 25

Done

Okay, I will get to it as quick as I can. Even if you find duplicate information, it would be preferable to source it to one of these rather than some of the online sources you're using. --Laser brain (talk) 21:30, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

I emailed you most of the full text. A few of the sources were garbage do I didn't send them. If it turns out we can glean nothing new from these, let me know as soon as possible and I will remove my opposition of the sources. It's hard to dig stuff up on this band! Feel free to say, "I told you so." --Laser brain (talk) 04:07, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

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Yeah, it's a pretty big issue and I don't have a scanner. I have used it to cite Foo Fighters recently. I also have a 1997 Guitar World article. Just let me know you want some citations and I'll cite it myself. WesleyDodds (talk) 22:10, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

There's a reprint article from the tour behind the second album, but very little on it proper. There's an overview of the album, as the issue does with each record. The Guitar World article is more useful for that album. WesleyDodds (talk) 22:20, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
Yep. WesleyDodds (talk) 22:31, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

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Congrats on a job well done on Strapping Young Lad making FA! Ealdgyth - Talk 20:21, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Yes, congratulations. I am starting to see, after looking for sources with you, how challenging it is to find good sources for popular culture topics. --Laser brain (talk) 20:33, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Congratulations, a most impressive result. I look forward to seeing future metal rewrites from yourself. LuciferMorgan (talk) 21:33, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

I've been only sporadically active, so I didn't notice this article had finally passed! You worked your ass off for many, many weeks, and I'm enormously pleased to see you've brought SYL to FA status. I only regret that I wasn't around to offer as much copyediting assistance as I would have liked, but I do hope my efforts made the article marginally more readable. Have a Godhead brand 40-oz malt liquor on me!--The Fat Man Who Never Came Back (talk) 01:00, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

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Can you tell me why the article contains such statements as "City was released on February 11, 1997 and received highly favorable critical reception", which are actually POV? Whether an album has received "highly favourable" reception is subject to opinion. Since such statements are prevalent within the article, I'd just like you to know that once the article has been FA for three months, I intend to nominate it at
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Precious

heavy metal bands

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