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September 2011
BTW...
I noticed you had some topic-box kinda thing about Passers, so I created Book:Passer for you.
You can use it to monitor changes related to passer (Book banner, [Recent changes] link in the bottom right corner), and you can check the
An alphabetical order isn't great, especially given the nature of some names (new ones for split species); there's a taxonomic order which is generally used (it's the one used at Passer I think), but the relationships are very uncertain, so what sources say is that no one knows what the order should actually be. I'll look at it later, I think. —innotata 23:59, 5 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
BTW the articles can be renamed to use their scientific latin names (just replace :[[Saxaul Sparrow]] with :[[Saxaul Sparrow|''Passer ammondendri'']], or even :[[Saxaul Sparrow|''P. ammondendri'']]. Or the book could be moved to
No, I don't think the scientific names would be great, they aren't used that much. Passer is only one part of the sparrow family (the Old World or true one, though these names are used for Passer as well). —innotata 13:52, 8 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Another "by the way": at
House Sparrow, you changed a citation to a website, Birds of North America Online, into one to a journal (without changing the "work" parameter). What's that about? —innotata 14:25, 8 September 2011 (UTC)[reply
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SOUSA MUSIC IN THE PUBLIC DOMAIN
Over on Commons, you have march music composed by John Philip Sousa, and you have it supposedly copyrighted by him. However, the Marches he wrote while he was Band Master of the United States Marine Corps Band, and they are all in the Public Domain since they are technically the property of the US Government.98.110.35.95 (talk) 19:19, 2 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I haven't said any music by Sousa was (and definitely not still is) copyright by him, just that it would be public domain regardless, as they were published before 1923. I'm not sure all or even any of his compositions while an employee of the government would be public domain as part of his official duties. —innotata 23:50, 5 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you!
Thank you for your encouraging words. My mother tongue is Polish and I made my first wiki-steps on Polish pages. I'm still a bit ackward in English so I can only make some very small corrections if I find them necessary. Thanks again!
Patrycja Z. (talk) 18:25, 15 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Request for Comment: Capitalization of common names of animal species
Hello. Just letting you know that I've posted the following at a number of project talk pages:
Hello WikiProject members and others. As part of a discussion at WikiProject Animals, a number of editors have indicated that the presentation of the current guidelines on the capitalization of common names of species is somewhat unclear.
Please take a moment to visit the draft, and comment at talk. Your input is requested to determine whether or not this table is needed, and to ensure that it is done in the best way possible. Thank you. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 04:44, 16 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.
OK, thanks for the diff. Buckingham Palace guards is a strange category; perhaps it should even be deleted. It contains both Buckingham Palace sentries of the
Foot Guards and Household Cavalry) who happen to be passing near the Palace. The Foot Guards are the ones with the bearskins, but the Queen's Guard can also be other military personnel, as with File:Guards, Buckingham Palace London April 2006 072.jpg, and the Household Cavalry wear plumed helmets. So plenty of the images already in the category are of "guards" without bearskins; I don't see why this should be a subcategory of Bearskin hats. —innotata 15:55, 29 September 2011 (UTC)[reply
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It makes it easier, not to categorize each, maybe even uninteresting, image with bearskin hats, if the category is categorized. If you know the category for the right guards (for example the British foot guards?) it would be nice, you give them the category bearskin hats (if they have not). Thanks, --Kürschner (talk) 11:53, 1 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
There isn't a category for the Foot Guards (or Queen's Guard), so I think I'll create one; I think some of the five regiments of Foot Guards have the category. —innotata 16:38, 1 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, regards from a furrier who never made a bearskin hat (it's hatmaker's job, I promise ;) ) --Kürschner (talk) 08:32, 3 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Genève natural history museum images
Hello, all my (our) pleasure! For the locality, unfortunately that's the public exposition and there is just the distribution of the species, not the locality where the specimen come from. Passer griseus : Ouest et centre de l'Afrique [West and center of Africa] ; Passer simplex : De la Mauritanie à l'Égypte, centre Soudan, est de l'Iran et sud de la Russie [From Mautritania to Egypt, central Soudan, east of Iran and south of Russia]. Regards, Totodu74 (talk) 08:26, 29 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. I'm guessing they have the same definition of Passer griseus as the English and French Wikipedias then; I'll have to try to see whether I can identify from the plumage. —innotata 15:57, 29 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Well, probably a Passer griseus sensu stricto given the white throat patch and the darker breast, but Summers-Smith is not very clear on the how museum specimens look; I'll try to find a more detailed source when I have time. —innotata 15:40, 26 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
October 2011
Re:Resources
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Hi, at Talk:Synonym (taxonomy), you wrote "what we try to get to eventually in articles is few references in the lead of articles since everything should be discussed in the body". I'm commenting here because it's not really to do with the Synonym (taxonomy) article. Is what you wrote written down somewhere in Wikipedia policies? When I started editing and creating articles, I took exactly this position. If I had referenced the material in the body of the article, then I didn't repeat the reference in the summary in the lead. This seemed (and still seems) entirely sensible to me. However, I then got "unreferenced" tags added by other editors, so I now generally repeat references in the lead. If there is some source which supports not doing this I would like to know! Peter coxhead (talk) 15:49, 25 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, I can't find anything explicitly saying they should be avoided, in a quick look at the Manual of Style and recognised content pages (I'll see when I have more time). It might just be common sense as you said, but I think I've seen at least a recommendation, and I remember article reviewers insisting references should be removed from a lead. It looks like featured articles always end up with unnecessary references removed. In any case, references should rarely be necessary in the lead (if there isn't something like a quote). —innotata 16:07, 25 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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