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Hi Jkrn,

A lot of the langs you added to the family list as "unclassified" are actually "unclassifiable" per Glottolist. By that they mean that the lang is extinct and not enough was recorded to ever classify it -- perhaps some words or names might resemble other languages, but we can't tell if they're loans, or none of the words look like anything else, but w more data we might've discovered regular sound correspondences (as recently with the reclassification of Bijago, once a better look was taken), or maybe all we have is an observation that those people over there used to speak differently than we do -- that is, that the language is unattested. But I think by "unclassified" linguists usually mean something rather different -- there's no consensus over how to classify it for some reason, such as most of the vocab and morphology appearing to belong in one family, but with some divergent core vocabulary, or it's been classified but the evidence is weak, poorly analyzed, or has never been published, or there are competing "classifications", none of which are convincing, etc., but, with further investigation, it should be possible to classify it. — kwami (talk) 05:17, 8 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Are you the user HeartSpin/PanLeo - Apollo 80.111.230.60 (talk) 17:20, 17 April 2018 (UTC) No, I am not. (Jkrn111 (talk) 17:23, 17 April 2018 (UTC))[reply]

I don't think it is a good idea to categorize language articles with membership in proposed families that do not yet have broad support in the linguistic community. Macro-Mayan is one such group and Totozoquean is another.·maunus · snunɐɯ· 13:45, 18 April 2018 (UTC) OK. I Will Stop (Jkrn111 (talk) 13:55, 18 April 2018 (UTC))[reply]

I appreciate your doing some work on categories but you really need to slow down and focus on an area you're familiar with. There are often reasons for stuff that aren't obvious to a non-specialist. Not everyone who has ever produced a paper on Basque is a vasconist, even though some sure fancy themselves vasconists. Akerbeltz (talk) 08:58, 25 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the barnstar Jkrn111! — Stevey7788 (talk) 14:12, 3 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

We just went through this. You must nominate categories for renaming at

I cannot block users as I am not a admin Abote2 (talk) 09:36, 23 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Armenian art films, which you created, has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. --Bsherr (talk) 00:40, 15 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Czech art films, which you created, has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. --Bsherr (talk) 00:40, 15 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Greek art films, which you created, has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. --Bsherr (talk) 00:40, 15 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Norwegian art films, which you created, has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. --Bsherr (talk) 00:40, 15 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Category:South Korean art films, which you created, has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. --Bsherr (talk) 00:40, 15 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hey there. I'd like to recommend that you pause a bit and only classify films which have been described by reliable sources as being art films. From art film: "An art film is typically a serious, independent film, aimed at a niche market rather than a mass market audience". You are currently classifying some mass-market Icelandic films as being art films, when that doesn't seem to fit. If the article itself doesn't mention things belonging to a category, the article should really not be categorized as such. Thank you :) – Þjarkur (talk) 22:30, 10 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I do not agree. Those were art films. Both. Could you please add some art films into Category:Icelandic art films ? It is empty now. Thanks. (Jkrn111 (talk) 01:25, 11 March 2019 (UTC))[reply]

Hi. Please do not add this category to ALL films associated with an individual director, regardless if that director is noted for this genre. Each and every individual film must have

confirm this. Thanks. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 09:24, 11 March 2019 (UTC)[reply

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Since you don't have a reliable source classifying them as art films, your categorizations are original research. (Incorrect original research, at that). Please do take better care and only categorize things if the text in the article specifically mentions them as being such, categories also need to have a citation. Friðrik mainly made experimental films early on in his career. – Þjarkur (talk) 09:58, 11 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Look at the List of directors associated with art film. For example Charlie Chaplin, Buster Keaton, J. L. Mankiewicz, Vincente Minnelli and Howard Hawks (they all have references). Are their films for niche audience ? Of Course, No. It is quite easy to recognize art film, i think. (Jkrn111 (talk) 11:09, 11 March 2019 (UTC)).[reply]

It's not

original research. When categorizing, please remember to also insert a citation in the article itself. Thank you. – Þjarkur (talk) 11:19, 11 March 2019 (UTC) For Example, film "Pastoral: To Die in the Country" by idiosyncratic filmmaker Shūji Terayama was deleted (from cat. Japanaese art films) I wrote "In a 2011 case for the film's release into The Criterion Collection, Robert Nishimura lauded Pastoral: To Die in the Country as "an important film by an important filmmaker". He cited its "effortless phantasmagorical freedom" and referred to the work as "so unique and spellbinding that it transcends all classification." Is it not enough ? And there are many similar cases in my work. (Jkrn111 (talk) 11:41, 11 March 2019 (UTC))[reply

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Please follow Wikipedia's

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You have recently changed more language articles and categories than people have breakfast in a year - you need to offer a source/claim of authority, otherwise there is no knowing why or how you are making the changes. I would suggest a speedy reply and adequate

Hello, 1) I create categories exclusively with the same name as existing "language group (family)" articles on English Wikipedia. For example I created Category:Kanyara languages after existing article "Kanyara languages". Is it forbidden ? I did not know that. 2) For example Category:Galgadungic languages differed from main article "Kalkatungic languages", so i created a new category with proper name "Kalkatungic". I made many categories this way before (i think more than one hundred) and that was ok for admins. I have done about 7000 changes (almost everything is categorization). I am confused now, could You please help ? (Jkrn111 (talk) 09:19, 31 March 2020 (UTC)).[reply]

You are not saying anything about the source of the information - it simply does not come out of the ether - there has to be something to establish there is something that can verify

I dont understand, therefore I decided to stop editing Wikipedia and I will just read it. (Jkrn111 (talk) 09:34, 31 March 2020 (UTC)).[reply]

Jkrn asked me to chime in. I don't see the problem either. Categories are simply a navigation device -- it doesn't matter what we call them, any more than templates or image files. We could give them binary numbers in order of creation, if that wouldn't be inconvenient for editors to use. What do RS's have to do with them?

Now if Jkrn were moving them to inconvenient or unintuitive names (like binary numbers), that would be disruptive. And it may be inconvenient to have so many nested sub-categories, rather than more articles in fewer higher-level categories. But that's POV philosophy of use, and has nothing to do with sources. If the name of an article that Jkrn has used is bad, then the article needs to be moved, but that's not Jkrn's doing.

Skimming

WP:TITLE

, and category use is secondary. And the language articles being included are those already listed in the family articles, so there's no question as to which they should be (though of course you could always put a hat note at the top of a cat saying we're following one list or another, since no matter which source we follow, some other source will disagree with it).

I've created or moved hundreds of categories, and although ppl have sometimes reverted me or moved them to something else, AFAICR no-one's ever said anything about RS's. — kwami (talk) 12:24, 31 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It is less to do with RS, and more V - there are considerable changes which have no sense of where or how any clarification can be made, I find that extraordinarily frustrating, specially when there are so few editors with either the capacity or enthusiasm to help out in clarifying or verifying the considerable volume of changes. sad. JarrahTree 12:42, 31 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Jkrn, I think it's reasonable for Jarrah to ask you to consult others on mass changes (though the threat of a block seems a bit much for first contact). I'm sure the two of you could work something out. Maybe just the two of you, if there aren't enough people interested for a formal discussion to be productive. E.g., 'I plan on adjusting cat X to match the hierarchy in article Y, any objections?' or s.t. like that. Personally, I find it inconvenient for navigation to have layer after layer of nested cats, each with only a few article, but it wasn't important enough to me for me to say anything to you. — kwami (talk) 13:46, 31 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

the edit summaries are helpful - thanks - cheers... JarrahTree 12:43, 1 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

hahaha not at all - there is nothing to require anything like that - JarrahTree 12:55, 1 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I think it is premature to create a Western Indonesian category. The proposal is much less secure than Greater North Borneo, and still in its initial stages. –Austronesier (talk) 14:37, 1 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Vasconic languages has been nominated for renaming. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. ★Trekker (talk) 23:53, 6 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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