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Thank you very much for your edits on women's rugby, but the information should really go on the main page, i.e. "rugby union in X" rather than the men's national team page. I have moved some of your material onto rugby union in Venezuela etc, and will change some of the rest in due course.--MacRusgail (talk) 13:57, 20 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I must disagree. These pages are not labelled or titled as being exclusively for information about the men's national teams - they are titled as the "national team" pages. Women's teams are as much national teams as their men's equivalents. Furthermore this information refers specifically to the women's national teams, NOT the playing of women's rugby in each country, and as such it would be inappropriate for the information to be placed on the general page (particularly in the case of Venezuela as the national team have never played a home fixture in Venezuela!). Please could you leave the sections on the national team page.Johnlbirch (talk)

It may be sexist, but I'm afraid that's how it is. These pages are about men's national XVs. The women's pages are listed separately, as the national sevens teams (of both genders). The "rugby union in X" pages could do with a bit of filling out in most cases anyway.--MacRusgail (talk) 14:21, 20 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

In which case you must say so. As things stand these pages are misleading as there is nothing to suggest that they are EXCLUSIVELY about men's teams (indeed some are definitely not - see Andorra, for example). Rugby is not a sport just for men and it would not be unreasonable for someone looking for information about Venezuela's national women's team to look to this page (at the moment there are only women's pages for countries who have played test rugby). In addition in many of the minor countries the men's and women's teams have a very close, common, history. As the 2016 Olympics draw closer (where men's and women's teams will have exactly equal status) this will become more of an issue. Johnlbirch (talk)

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"indeed some are definitely not - see Andorra, for example." - the Andorra article is going to need a serious re-edit in the near future, as it stands, it is a bit of a mess.

"at the moment there are only women's pages for countries who have played test rugby" - Yes, and unfortunately, if we create pages for the ones who haven't played tests, then they'll be deleted, but it's better that they go on the page about rugby union in each of these countries, than end up on the wrong page.--MacRusgail (talk) 18:12, 20 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello, I'm looking for some sources for 2003 tournament. Here are only results of the last round - from where you have all the rest? Miodzio3 (talk) 09:20, 22 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I've taken over coverage of women's sevens rugby on Wikipedia in the last year from the previous editor. Originally all scores were on just one, huge, page (List of women's rugby sevens competitions)- what I did was move separate regional tournaments onto separate pages, which is how this page was started.

I do not know where he got the earlier scores from - though I do know that he got quite a lot of information from host unions and FIRA (including the FIRA website, as it appeared at the time). The data seems to be widely used by FIRA and others, and no-one seems to have objected to anythingJohnlbirch (talk) 09:38, 22 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I understand, thanks for the information. During my search I found information on the European tournament in 2004. FIRA website informs: "The tournament of Sopot (Poland - May the 08, and 09 2004) is deferred to the 21 and 22 May, 2004 in Limoges (France)". The same information is at the Polish Rugby Union website and with all the results (in final ENG def ITA 38-7). But according to the Swedish Rugby Union website it was a U-20 tournament. Maybe you've found something on this? Miodzio3 (talk) 10:20, 22 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

New to me. I think an age group tournament would be most unlikely - but the suggestion that it was in some way "unofficial" (ie. not run by FIRA?) might suggest a reason for its absence from any records up until now. Clearly needs some investigating. Thanks. Johnlbirch (talk) 11:38, 22 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Well... although it seems to have received zero coverage on the RFU's website at the time (even though they won!), the 2004 tournament WAS an official FIRA event ([2]). 15 teams plus a local French club/regional team. Will add the details shortly.Johnlbirch (talk) 11:17, 23 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, the Polish Rugby Union website informs that this was official FIRA tournament, but considered as unofficial European Championships. The link you provided ([3]) is to the main page, and there's no info about this tournament - maybe it would be better to use the one I left earlier ([4]). BTW, I added source to all the results for 2005 Prague tournament. Miodzio3 (talk) 11:26, 24 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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John, your work on wikipedia, scrumqueens and other sites is so great that you could be called "the encyclopedia of women's rugby union". But I don't know why #957 women's international rugby union match is missing. Killer4979 (talk) 16:24, 22 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Because a previously missing match from the 1990s has been found and I have not got round to renumbering everything yet! Johnlbirch (talk) 22:31, 23 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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I hit the wrong button - was meant to be a PROD. Anyways, another person suggested to me you move this into your userspace to work on it - right now it has zero sources, and it's unclear who even puts out these rankings. I thought it was a personal opinion thing at first, but then I looked into it a bit more. ~Charmlet ^-talk- 05:20, 9 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You can delete. I'm not sure who produced the data, but it did not fit into the article they put it in so I moved it in the hope they would claim it and carry on working on it. Johnlbirch (talk) 23:25, 10 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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I think we may be duplicating our efforts.

I created an article for the

Hey. You do lots of editing on Women's rugby, so I was hoping you could help me out. I recently created Gill Burns and am having trouble finding many reliable sources. I was wondering if you had, or knew of, any reliable sources on her other than those listed in the article's references? I can't even find a date and place of birth for her! -- Shudde ^talk 11:39, 10 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

A fair amount of information on RFU.com, including http://www.rfu.com/images/museum/pdfs/exhibition/museum_pioneers.pdf Johnlbirch (talk) 12:48, 10 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello Johnlbirch, I'm Ham105. Thanks for all the good work you are doing on women's rugby for Wikipedia. Looking at some of the articles, such as for the

• Firstly, it could result in the deletion of the unreferenced material (or even the whole article) from the encylopedia (
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As used in the article, these would appear as below. It takes about a minute per citation once you've done a few. -- Ham105 (talk) 01:12, 22 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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