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Re: Novels Collaboration change
Good idea! feydey 16:04, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
- April newsletter looks ready to be sent. feydey 11:51, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
assessment script
Hi Kevin. I've added the Novels template to the script. I'm not sure of the value of including every parameter: at this point I have included class, importance, attention, needs-infobox, incomp-infobox, and needs-infobox-cover. My script supports the class and importance parameters for all templates. Any other parameters can be written blank if the template is being added to a talk page, but you can't set values for those parameters unless I do special coding. I anticipate the current form will meet your needs, but please test it and let me know. –Outriggr § 05:33, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
- P.S. change this line in monobook.js from
assessmentMyProjects = ["WPGenericProject", ];
to
assessmentMyProjects = ["NovelsWikiProject"];
(If you wanted to add any other existing projects, like WPBiography, you would add
assessmentMyProjects = ["NovelsWikiProject", "WPBiography"];
and so forth. –Outriggr § 05:36, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
DEFAULTSORT
Hi Kevin, I have noticed you have been adding the DEFAULTSORT template to articles recently. Just to let you know that this feature is a magic word and not a template, and the correct construction is {{DEFAULTSORT:Sortkey}} rather than {{DEFAULTSORT|Sortkey}}, using ":" instead of "|". The template was created to prevent confusion and shouldn't be used if possible. Thanks, mattbr 14:05, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
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A Talent for War
Kevin: when you have some time, please review this article in its current state and give your comments and suggestions for improvements. Thanks.
Simmaren 02:27, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
your invitation to Novels WikiProject
Hello Kevin, I had actually been a member of the Novels WikiProject under my old account name, User:Tachikoma. Since joining the Novels project in February 2006, the range of articles that I edit has expanded dramatically... if you are very curious, here is my edit count breakdown. Because I ended up spending less and less time contributing strictly to articles about novels, I felt that it was in a sense unfair to the project to call myself a full-time member. I moved myself to the guestbook list within the past month or so.
If you aren't bothered by the fact that I won't dedicate myself solely to writing about novels, I would be happy to rejoin the project. Thanks for the invitation. --Kyoko 11:38, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
- OK, even though most of my edits are now outside of novels, I'll move myself back to the active list. Thanks for the encouragement! --Kyoko 12:55, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
Show Boat
Hi. Why not start a new stub for the novel with whatever information you have and move the novels project/assessment tag to the talk page there, and then editors interested in the novel can add information? It doesn't make sense to have a "novels" tag in the article for the musical, which barely mentions the novel. Best regards, -- Ssilvers 16:30, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
Errors with your AWB
I'm not positive, but I've seen a couple of your edits (example: [1]) where your AWB plugin is removing other wikiproject banners when you update the class of the Novels project banner. Could you check? -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 03:01, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
- I included one example above - I'll keep a look out for any more and let you know if I see any. Thanks :) -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 13:44, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
- That's a manual (semi-automated) edit by the looks of it. The bot/plugin in automated mode would never do that. --kingboyk 14:01, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
Notability of novels
Can you please tell me what criteria are taken into consideration when deciding on the notability of novels? Is it enough if the novel is written by a notable author(s) like this one ? Because it is hard to find good references on the net for such old works, esp. in that genre.. I had started 2 or 3 articles on novels / short story collections earlier, but after reading some of the AfD discussions here on WP, I am not so sure if i should add any more such articles. So i thought i should ask you first before i start the new page. Thank you. :) TwoOars (T | C) 01:04, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
- ok then, thanks. I'll create the new article only if I find references. TwoOars (T | C) 18:23, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
Any idea why some of the log entries point to red links Kevin? I haven't observed this with my bot (which might mean it happened but I didn't notice). If you've no idea it might be worth sending me your settings and list. --kingboyk 14:00, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
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Penhaligon
Kinderseele
I'm not sure if Kinderseele is a novel. It looks like its a shorter novel (as it appears to have been published with 2 other similar stories. Thus the word story. But I base this only on what I've seen in Wikipedia - where I didn't see clearly that it was a novel. But you may have more insight. No need for answer, but I'll be monitoring here if you care to. (John User:Jwy talk) 14:09, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
- Quite correct well spotted - changed to absorb the newer information. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 14:25, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
Please teach me how to add a wikiproject to the list
Query: Images for Vollmann, Rushdie novels
The articles for two of William T. Vollmann's novels, The Ice-Shirt and The Rifles, are currently illustrated with the covers of paperback reprints. I know first-edition covers are preferred, but for Vollmann's books, although the author is American, the books were published first in England, by André Deutsch. Which image would you prefer: US or UK? Or both? (I have both.) For Salman Rushdie's Midnight's Children, the opposite is the case: UK author, US first edition (the first printing of Jonathan Cape's UK edition was actually composed of sheets from the US Alfred A. Knopf edition). Same question (although I only have the US version in this instance). Regards --ShelfSkewed Talk 22:27, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
- A quick followup: Please check the Infobox for The Ice-Shirt, particularly the Country field. Does that work for you? I was trying to provide accurate info without confusing people. I was wrong, by the way, about The Rifles—the US edition actually is the true first. Best --ShelfSkewed Talk 21:38, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
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Thanks for welcoming me to the wikiproject. · AndonicO Talk 08:40, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
Whaleship Essex
You bot placed a message on the talk page for this article. If as the name suggests the project relates to novels, then the tag is misplaced, as the events were real. While the story was an inspiration for
- Sorry to step in, but I noticed this edit as well; the article Whaleship Essex, so that's probably what confused the bot. Great book, though. :) MarÃa (habla conmigo) 01:35, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
- It is an excellent book, but it's not a work of fiction. Kablammo02:10, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
- You're correct, of course; it won the National Book Award for Nonfiction and it's even under the G classification under Library of Congress, for Geography and Anthropology. Personally, I'd argue that it's a fictionalized account, since it contains dialog and events no one could know with any certainty, but I do agree with you. It's a shame it exists only as a redirect. MarÃa (habla conmigo) 13:33, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
- It is an excellent book, but it's not a work of fiction.
- The problem of sutomation - changed the project the WPBooks reflecting the non-fiction nature of the account. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 08:19, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
Novel style guidelines
I have made some major additions and changes to your novel style guidelines. Let me know what you think. I am so glad that you have started this page. I saw another atrocious novel page at peer review. Again, not that I thought was the fault of the writer. I think that the editors just need more guidance. Let me know if you can get into the Cambridge thing. *sigh*
The newsletter looks ready to be sent out. Again good work. Next month's issue is the anniversary one then, one year... feydey 10:58, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
- I think the most interesting thing in the June 2007 issue will be the comparison in the steep growth in WP:NOVEL membership from one year earlier in June 2006. feydey 11:05, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
- P.S. An idea. Since there aren't many people editing the newsletter, maybe add a "tip line" to the Wikipedia:WikiProject_Novels/Outreach page (aka. Wikipedia:WikiProject_Novels/Outreach/Newsletter tip line) like Wikipedia Signpost has, where members can link, doodle, shortly write story ideas, discussions they think are interesting/important for the Newsletter. This way the pressure of writing full sentences in the actual Newsletter is removed..? feydey 11:14, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
And here's "books related" link [2]. feydey 11:29, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
Thanks
Thanks for your assistance and comments on Robbery Under Arms. I have joined the novels project now. (I had already put the user box on my page, but hadn't added myself to the list. baby_ifritah 11:34, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
Novels by country
Kevin - I noticed that there was some talk of starting a novels by country category in the novels project, which i would be really interested in, but i am also a member of the Australia project, which doesn't have a literature category. i am a new user so i don't have an in depth knowledge of how the whole project system works, but what is the usual way of dealing with issues like this when working groups started in either of these areas would be for all intents and purposes identical? can they be married somehow, and how do i go about that? thanks baby_ifritah 13:06, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
- From the way you are talking assume what you are meaning is a shared "task force" between 13:12, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
- Having just had a brief look at the WP:AUS main page it looks like their "Specialised" WikiProjects would be the way to bleand the overlapped interest. A Wikipedia:WikiProject Australian literature might then be pointed to by a Wikipedia:WikiProject Novels/Australian literature task force, where it actually sit would not be that importance but could be in either namespace. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk)13:34, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
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Thanks for welcoming me to the Novels wikiproject. :) · AndonicO Talk 13:32, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
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Plot problems
Hi Kevin, I've been going through the list of Australian authors and the wikilinks of their pages because a lot of the novels don't have the Australian novel category listed, especially the genre fiction. I've been finding quite a few (not just genre, of course) that have the plot issue and its related problems. I have hesitated to put the
- I know, but when the entirety of the article is just a plot summary, it is too long in context, and all the further, very helpful, comments of the template apply. I can't seem to find a template which supplies this information without focussing on the specific length, but it seems to me the length is not the principle issue: the "weight" is. I'm just not sure what to do. I guess I could just ignore anything marked as a stub, as those appear on the to-do lists anyway. Maybe I could do a standard message for the talk page with the related links mentioning "things to think about" when expanding the article. i hope I don't seem to pernickity, but when more than half of the Australian novels are just plot summaries (long or stub-like), there's a long way to go... and thanks, btw. xx baby_ifritah 13:54, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
- I've left a message at Template:plot as well, so maybe someone there can help. xx baby_ifritah14:09, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
- you rock. i'd try and find a barnstar for you, but i'm for bed. 'night. xx baby_ifritah 14:20, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
- I've left a message at
- I know, but when the entirety of the article is just a plot summary, it is too long in context, and all the further, very helpful, comments of the template apply. I can't seem to find a template which supplies this information without focussing on the specific length, but it seems to me the length is not the principle issue: the "weight" is. I'm just not sure what to do. I guess I could just ignore anything marked as a stub, as those appear on the to-do lists anyway. Maybe I could do a standard message for the talk page with the related links mentioning "things to think about" when expanding the article. i hope I don't seem to pernickity, but when more than half of the Australian novels are just plot summaries (long or stub-like), there's a long way to go... and thanks, btw. xx baby_ifritah 13:54, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
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Invisible Monsters image
The image you placed in the Infobox for Invisible Monsters--the one I replaced, and you put back--is not the first edition. It's a much later reprint edition. Look at the front cover of your image: It mentions Lullaby, published three years after Invisible Monsters. Trust me: My cover is the true first. I bought it the day it came out. I'm reverting. --ShelfSkewed Talk 12:43, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
- Ok - I'll take your word for it - my research showed different gen' sorry to have been a pain. Is there some web based documentation that give yours are the "true first", thanks :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 13:53, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
- No problem. Compare the publication details at the bottom of the Invisible Monsters page from Norton's Fall 1999 catalog and this page from the Fall 2003 catalog.--ShelfSkewed Talk 14:15, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
- Stupendous added the reference to the "first edition" element of the entry, thanks. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 14:21, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
- No problem. Compare the publication details at the bottom of the Invisible Monsters page from Norton's Fall 1999 catalog and this page from the Fall 2003 catalog.--ShelfSkewed Talk 14:15, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
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WikiProject Fantasy
Hi, i am working on the Science Fiction/Fantasy sections for the Wikipedia:WikiProject_Australian_literature, and seen you have joined. Am wondering if you know of any Wiki Project for Fantasy, as have found one for Science Fiction, but cant yet find one for Fantasy, as am trying to improve the related links and tags for both to help improve these articles. Boylo 02:25, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
- Got your message. I have my hands full tho with the Wikipedia:WikiProject_Australian_literature at the moment, but a Task Force for Fantasy would be a good idea, similar to Novels/Science_fiction_task_force. Boylo 03:09, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
- I will take on that job of starting the Novel Fantasy Project. Your help is needed tho for setting it up. It should be a worthy project and am looking forward to it. Seems there was once a template but it has disappeared Template_talk:Fantasy - Boylo 01:18, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
- It would be best if someone else started that Novel Fantasy Project, and i would be willing to contribute, as i lack the experience to do it myself. Just dont want to get involved in something thats beyond my skills.Boylo 06:29, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
Christopher Buckley
Hi Kevin, a question about assessment: I noticed you've classified several Christopher Buckley novels as "low" importance on the importance scale. I would argue that some, if not all, of Buckley's books are mid-importance. Three have been optioned as movies, one of which has already been released, so I'd say that hints that his work is "notable." Even if being made into a major motion picture doesn't indicate "literary notability" it certainly indicates "encyclopedic notability." But actually even "within the field of literature" — Buckley is probably the preeminent living American political satirist. His books are among the most discussed and reviewed of any living author, especially satirical novelists, (especially in political circles), and his works show up on a good-deal of College Lit syllabi. p.s. you can respond here or on one of the Buckley book pages if you'd like. --JayHenry 16:16, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
- Ok, make the changes as you suggest and your reasoning seems sound to me. I have to base a lot of what I find on the content of the articles themselves and often there is little to give details of notability, generally a problem with the articles anyway. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 16:23, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
- Okay, I wasn't sure how the assessment in Wikiproject Novels really worked. I edit lots of novel pages, but I'll admit the whole wikiproject system is largely a mystery to me. Improving the Buckley pages is on my to-do list because, you're right, the articles don't really do a good job of putting his work into any sort of context. --JayHenry 16:56, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
world war z recat
Quick inquiry, you recently recategorized world war Z as a satire novel, just wondering about your rationale? Boatman666 04:17, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
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I think there's a bad wikilink to Scott Campbell. can you help? --Richard 15:50, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
Death from a top hat
Sorry to bother you. With respect to Death From a Top Hat, do you know what user David Gerard was getting at with a comment that he made about "plot summaries being expected to contain plot elements", or words to that effect? I tried to expand the plot summary without giving away any of the extremely complex actions that the murderer used to commit the crimes and conceal himself, such as the disguise. I'm just concerned because his comment might be preparatory to suggesting the deletion of this page, and I think it's an important early locked-room mystery. I'm going to put this to the top of my list for work as a result, but if there's something that I'm missing, I'd like to know it. Thanks for any comments you have. Accounting4Taste 17:21, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
- Ohhhh, okay, I get it. Thanks. After reading through the spoiler warning controversy, I made up my mind that I would just write things in a way that didn't require a spoiler warning, at least as far as I was concerned -- no revealing the murderer's name. I worked on the page last night, added the infobox and tidied it up a bit. Thanks for your response. Accounting4Taste 16:47, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
Too Many Cooks and other Nero Wolfe books
Hi, there --
I've been creating articles for each of the Rex Stout Nero Wolfe books -- the novels and novella collections. I want to be sure I'm being consistent with the objectives of the novels project you're working with, as well as being consistent from title to title with the 70-odd Wolfe books I'm about two-thirds of the way through entering. You can just click though them in the infobox, with the "preceded by" and "followed by" links.
Based on the changes you've made at Too Many Cooks, I could go back to 1934 and change the section title from "Adaptations" to "Film, TV or theatrical adaptations" in the articles I've put together. I'm assuming that's a heading being used in other novel articles. There are radio adaptations of Nero Wolfe books, as well, though; I can't help but think "Adaptations" covers it.
- "Film, TV or theatrical adaptations" is our std heading and being theatrical would cover radio adaptations. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 08:01, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
- Good, it's a standard heading, then. I'll change the entries I've made and incorporate that section header in the remaining articles. -- WFinch 12:59, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
I see, also, that you've replaced the ISBN number in the Too Many Cooks infobox with "NA." That ISBN was correct and it was useful, in that it hooks up with the World Cat library search. I'd like the ISBNs left on the articles, because even when the books are out of print, that ISBN number can lead people somewhere that the book is available.
- The ISBN could not possibly have been correct as the earliest ISBN was in 1966 in the UK. Anything old "must" have been assigned since and is not a true record of history. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 08:01, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
- Hmm. When I click Hardback & Paperback)" isn't a record of history on that particular Farrar & Rinehart edition either, perhaps the infobox can be flexible enough to list an ISBN number that may not be assigned to the first edition but does assist people in locating the book itself. Alternatively, the infobox could simply list nothing whatsoever by way of an ISBN (remove "NA" from the field and it goes away), and there could be a section of the article that could list all ISBN numbers for all of the various editions as well as the omnibus volumes in which it is collected (which seems like a lot of work). I expect this issue must come up with older novels. You see what I'm getting at, though: there are 796 libraries with this book in their holdings, and I'd like to put people together with those. I doubt people are that interested in getting ahold of a true first edition when they hit that ISBN number -- they just want to find a copy of the book. -- WFinch12:59, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
- The NA is to enable us to search for articles that have missing ISBNs (where such are available) and also point out to people that ISBN are truely not applicable. The section in the ArticleTemplate you needs it the "Release details" on which can be used to give the various editions. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 13:21, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
- Ah, "Release details." I'll start using that section, then -- thanks. -- WFinch
- The NA is to enable us to search for articles that have missing ISBNs (where such are available) and also point out to people that ISBN are truely not applicable. The section in the ArticleTemplate you needs it the "Release details" on which can be used to give the various editions. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 13:21, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
- Hmm. When I click
What I've been doing consistently, too, is describing the Farrar & Rinehart or Viking first edition that is detailed in the infobox. I've been uploading first edition book covers, and entering the original publisher, illustrator, number of pages, etc., to describe that edition. My "Hardcover" has been replaced in the infobox with "Print (
- The Links are also std to the project although it does seem a little strange I must admit. This field is to only one which we extent beyond the 1st edition and list the format / media_types that the work is known to be available in. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 08:01, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
- I hope the project considers revising that "Media type" component in the infobox, because it is truly misleading if only one specific edition is to be described there (the ISBN vs. NA issue). I found it's been applied and then modified incorrectly in the Prisoner's Base infobox; a paperback of that novel exists. I'd vote to simply have that field describe the first edition. -- WFinch
- P.S. Thanks for directing me to the project Hardback)" -- and "Media type" will describe only the first-edition printing after all. (In short, Prisoner's Base is correct.) I had also wondered how to work the various audiobooks into the articles, and your suggestion that a separate "Release details" section be added will incorporate that information nicely. Thanks again. -- WFinch19:00, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
- P.S. Thanks for directing me to the project
- I hope the project considers revising that "Media type" component in the infobox, because it is truly misleading if only one specific edition is to be described there (the ISBN vs. NA issue). I found it's been applied and then modified incorrectly in the Prisoner's Base infobox; a paperback of that novel exists. I'd vote to simply have that field describe the first edition. -- WFinch
For consistency, I've also been indicating the genre as "Detective fiction" (rather than "Detective novel") in the infobox, since a third of the Nero Wolfe stories are novellas rather than novels.
- Yes quite right, that will have been my mistake so you should revert me if I have done that on such articles. All I would add is that non "novels" should clearly indicate this so genre shhould probably include "Detective fiction", "novella". :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 08:01, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
- I think that's covered in the categories listed at the bottom of the articles. The novels are in a category called "Nero Wolfe novels." The novella collections are in a category called "Nero Wolfe novellas"; see Black Orchids for an example. "Detective fiction" is a nicely inclusive phrase to describe the genre for both story formats; the categories differentiate one from the other. -- WFinch 12:59, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
Have a look at the other Rex Stout books I've created articles for, or modified up to this point, and let me know your thoughts. Thanks, WFinch 23:46, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
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Hi Kevin, i am trying to work out how out how to fix the pages for Ditmar_Award and Ditmar Award results to see how those two articles could be combined rather than having them separate. Also the awards page states this when trying to edit, as have been wanting to add this years nominations 'This page is 63 kilobytes long. It may be appropriate to split this article into smaller, more specific articles'. Maybe you can suggest what can be done to improve this problem. Thx Boylo 07:26, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
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Does the Australian short stories category hold, given that she is from New Zealand, not Australia?Zigzig20s 15:34, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
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No problem. I was just too lazy to put the Improvements info in. I'll go over the June Newsletter now, so it can be sent ASAP. Cheers, feydey 14:13, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
Novels by William Golding
Would it be appropriate to include his novellas in the category? DuncanHill 14:56, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
Novels June Newsletter
Looks ready. Have it sent out. feydey 17:57, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
I had seen that you put on this article's talk page that it had an incomplete infobox. I was wondering what specifically you thought was incomplete about it. I can fixed it, but I didn't think that there was any more info you could add in the infobox. Thanks an advance -
- By the way...thanks for the invite and I will join. Thanks! -Bella15:04, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
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Solidarity
Hey. Here's a symbol. If you want to show support, put it on your user page or keep it on your talk page; if we get it on enough pages, it might just count for something. Please remove it if you don't want to show it. And if you've got a better picture, be my guest and use it. I'm open to suggestions for viable alternatives to the present spoiler policy - we need those more than criticism of the current one, as justified as it may be. --Kizor 16:39, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
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Hi, I've just deleted Category:Novels by George Elliot, per your request on that page. The Category:Novels by George Eliot already exists. I presume I should also delete Category:Works by George Elliot? However, there is no Category:Works by George Eliot. I'm not sure it's really needed, but I don't have a strong opinion one way or the other. Just, if you're going to have one, it should be without the typo! Cheers. ElinorD (talk) 09:40, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
- I'm not sure if it's possible to rename a category. There's no move button. I suggest you just create the page with the correct spelling, and I'll delete the old one. In the case of a category, I don't think there's any problem with having to keep the history intact for GFDL reasons, as you're not producing paragraphs of text. ElinorD (talk) 09:48, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
- Hello again. I'm wondering if there's any point in having the Category:Works by George Eliot. There's nothing in it at present except for the subcategory Category:Novels by George Eliot. Are you planning to write articles to populate it? Cheers. ElinorD (talk) 12:12, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
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Katherine Mansfield
The template with links to her short stories has been added, I don't think it is necessary to type them again in the 'works' space since they then were published in her collections of short stories...Btw the trouble with those collections is that the short stories often appeared in literary reviews years before they did in the collections. I would suggest reverting your contribution (and possibly expanding the 'short stories' template to more of her work)?Zigzig20s 09:15, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
- I do agree that the template should be expanded. I've only had to study her short stories, it would be interesting to know what novels she wrote? Anyway I see what you mean about the bibliography section, I just think it might end up being too long perhaps. Edgar Allan Poe only has the template, Henry James has an inconclusive list...I would second the template.Zigzig20s 09:38, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
- I see you keep adding them to the list...Whilst I appreciate your work, don't you think it's redundant?Zigzig20s 10:45, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
- The idea was to try and add the short stories chronologically on the template. I just think the Poe/James thing is something to consider.Zigzig20s 10:55, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
- I see you keep adding them to the list...Whilst I appreciate your work, don't you think it's redundant?Zigzig20s 10:45, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
I have tagged this image for deletion; as photograph of a book published in 1896 I don't believe it qualifies as either PD (since we don't have rights to the photo) or as "fair use". I have uploaded a replacement Image:Osra.jpg scanned from my copy and released as PD, and added it to the article. - PKM 03:01, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
Difference between Infobox_Book and Infobox_Novel?
I was noting in the template dropped by your Bot on Corsair (novel) about having an infobox, but reverted it when I became unsure. The article has Infobox_Book, but your bot tagged it needing infobox_novel? Is there some specific difference for these two or has the Book been deprecated in favor of Novel? --TLein 10:36, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
- Ok, thanks for clarifying that. I started to wonder because I have seen some infoboxes becoming deprecated over time, and thought I might have wrong one on the article.
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Why did you remove this novel from Category:Science fiction novels? It's not like you are hostile to identifying alternate history as SF (unlike certain other Wikieditors). --Orange Mike 12:53, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
- I am rather in two minds about the whole thing. Alternate history is often considered part of science fiction. However alternate history has nothing remotely to do with classic Science fiction. Science fiction seems to have become a beast that absorbs all genres even vaugely close to it. AltHist as a cat is part of speculative fiction (or was last time I noticed) that should really be close enough, surely. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 12:59, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
- Alternate history, to me, is science fiction because it is about the "what if?" which is at the heart of all SF, the literature of alternatives and possibilities. "Speculative fiction" was coined as a euphemism for SF (in the broader, publishing-and-fandom-history-based sense which encompasses fantasy, etc.) to make it more acceptable to the "intellectual" snobs who cherish Updike or Cheever, chroniclers of the upper-middle-class white male, more than they do a G.R.R. Martin or Ursula LeGuin or Nalo Hopkinson. --Orange Mike 14:35, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
- And "What if" all our uses of words left behind thei semantic meanings entirely and were used to mean things that had no connection to the obvious. Oh, yes we doo it all the time, "wicked", "wizard" etc. Shame it has to happen with an area of fiction that has to be very creative and most times precise with it's use of language! :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 14:44, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
- While I can sympathize with your desire for precision, the fact is that fiction, like the humans who create, refuses to conform itself to systematic, rigidly definable categories. What is relevant to me as a bookseller, book reviewer and reader, is that historically alternate history (especially in English) is primarily written by SF writers, published as SF, and reviewed and read as a sub-genre of SF; this has been the case ever since Murray Leinster went "Sideways in Time." There are exceptions every decade from the world of so-called "mainstream" literature; but they tend to be re-inventors of the wheel. --Orange Mike 15:10, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
- "primarily written by SF writers", this (SS-GB) an obvious exception to this over generalization. I can think of a number of other authors (Bernard Cornwell, Robert Harris, Newt Gingrich, Sir John Hackett etc) that don't fit the model you build. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 15:18, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
- That's why I said "primarily"! For every Gen. Hackett or Newt book (Newt's an SF fan; spoke at the 1986 Book-of-the-Month Club selection and reviewed in TIME magazine. --Orange Mike15:44, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
- That's why I said "primarily"! For every Gen. Hackett or Newt book (Newt's an SF fan; spoke at the 1986
- "primarily written by SF writers", this (SS-GB) an obvious exception to this over generalization. I can think of a number of other authors (Bernard Cornwell, Robert Harris, Newt Gingrich, Sir John Hackett etc) that don't fit the model you build. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 15:18, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
- While I can sympathize with your desire for precision, the fact is that fiction, like the humans who create, refuses to conform itself to systematic, rigidly definable categories. What is relevant to me as a bookseller, book reviewer and reader, is that historically alternate history (especially in English) is primarily written by SF writers, published as SF, and reviewed and read as a sub-genre of SF; this has been the case ever since Murray Leinster went "Sideways in Time." There are exceptions every decade from the world of so-called "mainstream" literature; but they tend to be re-inventors of the wheel. --Orange Mike 15:10, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
- And "What if" all our uses of words left behind thei semantic meanings entirely and were used to mean things that had no connection to the obvious. Oh, yes we doo it all the time, "wicked", "wizard" etc. Shame it has to happen with an area of fiction that has to be very creative and most times precise with it's use of language! :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 14:44, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
- Alternate history, to me, is science fiction because it is about the "what if?" which is at the heart of all SF, the literature of alternatives and possibilities. "Speculative fiction" was coined as a euphemism for SF (in the broader, publishing-and-fandom-history-based sense which encompasses fantasy, etc.) to make it more acceptable to the "intellectual" snobs who cherish Updike or Cheever, chroniclers of the upper-middle-class white male, more than they do a G.R.R. Martin or Ursula LeGuin or Nalo Hopkinson. --Orange Mike 14:35, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
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Is there policy that suggests foreign language book titles should be translated into English? This is definitely not standard practice. See, for example, Les Misérables. Loom91 12:51, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
- There is an expectation that this is so, as this is an English wiki. The example you give is not a good one as it is published under that title Les Misérables, even when in English. In contrast Mountain of the Moon is the title of the English translation of this Indian novel. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 12:55, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
- It is the title of a translation, and the article is about the original novel rather than the translation. Another example is HaJaBaRaLa, or Sonar Kella. Overall, I believe it is not standard practice to translate book titles into English, particularly as the book is not commonly known by its English name. Loom91 17:52, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
- I would be persuadeable by the "not commonly known" arguement if that could be demonstrated. But not the others, this is an English encyclopedia after all. If is a convention that even discussion of original novels are titled by their English title when it has been translate. The fact that seom articles have not yet been renamed and converted is not relevant. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 07:26, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
- I gave the examples because this convention is not apparent to me. I'm also sure that far more people (even if you count only those who know English) have heard the name Chander Pahar rather than the name of its translation, Mountain of Moon. This is because Bengalis (including those who speak English) have heard the Banga name, but not many non-Bengalis have heard the English name. So Chander Pahar is the more common name. Loom91 12:53, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
- I'm moving the article back to the original title. Please refrain from doing cut-paste moves, they seriously disrupt the functioning of the encyclopedia because the history of the page is left behind. Please see the Wikipedia policies concerning moving pages. The correct way of doing such problematic moves is to request admin help at Wikipedia:Requested moves. Loom91 07:49, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
Warriors (book series)
Hmph. Thanks for moving the page without saying anywhere why. And if you can't tell, please do note the intended sarcasm. Now why don't you go fix all of the links to that page? I didn't move it, and I'm not going to waste my time doing that. ElectricTurahk 12:27, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
- Still work in progress. It is a novel series and the move was commented that way. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 12:53, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
Aubrey-Maturin Series
I got your message about HMS Surprise. Currently, there seems to be no seperate page for this novel (although there is one for the ship HMS Surprise) so not sure how to set up a completely new page for it. I also saw your 'work in progress' and assume that you will be putting this in at some stage.
Ref. the other novels, only a few (3?) so far seem to have their own seperate main article pages. Do you want to do all the books yourself or would you like some help with this? I have the whole 21 collected edition from Norton & Co. and have read the novels twice so I could help with this potentially huge project as it could take you a seriously long time to get all the main article pages up to scratch (plus, I'm assuming other O'Brian fans would like to put in their pennysworth. Ivankinsman 16:53, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
Aubrey-Maturin Series
I think we may need to have a 'heads-up' about this. I would be interested to learn what novels in the series you are currently working on so that are efforts are not duplicated. I know, as you mentioned, you have a test page for HMS Surprise, so any others in the pipeline? Also, I suppose we should use the template that is already in existence for Master and Commander and Post Captain (presuming this is the same). Ivankinsman 07:41, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
Hogwarts
Hi! I did work on Hogwarts and put it on the request for review page. I'm not sure I did everything correctly though so if it's unusable I just wanted to appologize. I would really appreciate any feedback you could give me as wikipedia's kind of a maze to beginners. Also, my edit to the Hogwarts page is under my IP address, as I've just joined, I hope that's not a problem. Gingersnap Cookies 04:40, 27 June 2007 (UTC) Gingersnap Cookies.
I'm going to read all the newcommer links and learn how to properly reference, and then I'll work on those areas you talked about. --Gingersnap Cookies 03:06, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
Images
Hey, I was able to create a fair use rational for the two images I uploaded (The Alchemist and The Alienist) But for the Alchemist, I couldn't find out what edition that cover was at all. The thing I'm really worried about is that the author of the book first published the book in Brazil before it was published in English. Would that mean that I should have found the Brazilian edition image of the Alchemist's cover because it technically was the 1st edition?
- Thanks, and I'll try to find the Brazilian cover but since the book isn't too immensly popular it might take a while. :) ~Bella15:00, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
Aubrey-Maturin series
Hi, I have just finished creating seperate main article pages for each of the novels that did not have one. I note that some images of the front covers are missing so was wondering if you could upload the ones we don't have
- The Ionian Mission
- Treason's Harbour
- The Letter of Marque
- The Thirteen-Gun Salute
- Clarissa Oakes
- The Commodore
- The Yellow Admiral
- The Hundred Days
- Blue at the Mizzen
- The FUV of JA (if there is one!).
I will try to fill in as much of the missing info as I can but this looks like being a v. big project and hope that other users will participate as well. Ivankinsman 20:37, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
Re: Lie Down in Darkness revert
Thanks for correcting the sloppy edit I made to the LDiD page. I didn't realize I had blanked the page in trying to move it. Thanks for catching my mistake. Inoculatedcities 20:48, 27 June 2007 (UTC)