User talk:KyleJoan/Archives/2020/May

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I aprecitate if, instead of just delete the information, help to expand the section. Since the In wrestling section is missing, the articles need sections to explain characters and notable moves. The dentist parts is sourced, her character is based in her real life work as dentist, like Paul brearer character is created after his work as real life mortician. Also, the gfinisher ist's explained and relationed to her work as dentist, since the attack hurts the jaw. If you think the section needs better sources or better writting (since I'm not english native) it would be better to improve the section, not delete.--HHH Pedrigree (talk) 10:35, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Also, I don't see how including one move is under WP:NOTINDISCRIMITATE. In pro wrestling, the finisher is a huge aprt of the narrative. It's put in context and it's sourced. it's not the old in wrestling section, where we included every single move she perfomed, like chop, suplex, headbutt and so. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 10:41, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

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WP:BRD, you are required to obtain a talk page consensus on the inclusion of the disputed content. I started a discussion for you if you'd like to respond. Thanks. KyleJoan 10:47, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Again with the disputed content? No, it's not necessary to bring to talk page EVERY content you don't agree. It would be imposible to include just one word, like the Kenny Omega isssue months ago. If you missed it, Wikipedia had a HUGE discussion about the In wrestling section and, the solution, was to create a new section called Professional wrestling style and persona, to write about wrestlers characters and notable, sourced moves. That what the section is about, her dentist character and her finishing move --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 10:52, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

it would be like the Kenny Omega issue. People wouldn't talk because we are not to discusse every single edit we made. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 10:54, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

In case you missed it, here is the guideline [1] "If any of the content is significant to the subject of the article, it can be converted into prose". The discussion [2] resolution, to create a section to talk about characters and notable moves --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 11:00, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

@HHH Pedrigree: And I made the argument that the disputed content isn't significant to subject of the article. In addition, the guideline does not say that every professional wrestling biography has to have a professional wrestling persona section. People wouldn't talk because we are not to discusse every single edit we made. I see you've already started canvassing, so why not wait for a consensus to form one way or the other? Thanks. KyleJoan 11:10, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Not every article need to have the section, but Baker as a unique character and it's sourced. Also, it's not canvassing, it's pretty usual to speak with the project of a ingoing discussion

WP:CANVASSING:"In general, it is perfectly acceptable to notify other editors of ongoing discussions". I never argued agaInst you, I just said there is a discussion, not to take a side. Not every user has the britt baker article in the watchlist, so it would be hard to have a discussion if nobody appears. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 11:24, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

@HHH Pedrigree: I sincerely apologize for saying you were canvassing. I was on the very guideline you referenced and thought that it was an appropriate description of neutrally notifying other users of ongoing discussions. I was mistaken. KyleJoan 11:26, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Don't worry. I never saw a neutral description for the notification. I will use it. I gave my argument, left several more reports in the talk page. I will wait until the other users talk. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 11:29, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Also, I want to apologize for my behaviour. To be honest, this months have been very hard. In the end, I don't have fun in Wikipedia anymore. Every edit I make it's discussed and/or reverted, like the Kenny Omega, the WWE Hall of Fame or Carly Colon. In the end, looks like everyone it's against me. Wiki Admins think we are a bunch of kids who don't respect basic policies, reddit users think we are assholes because we don't edit like they want and we removed the in wrestling section. I don't see the collavotarive effot to improve Wikipedia. My focus it's to create "style and persona" sections to help people to understand a wrestler as a performer (a huge complain, which I share, is the lack of finishers, because finishers are very important) and to keep the in-universe stuff to minimun, since Wikipedia articles are written for everyone, no just pro wrestling fans. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 11:46, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

@HHH Pedrigree: There's absolutely no need to apologize. I understand it's a very trying time. I also understand the passion for expanding professional wrestling biographies, which I share as well. I hope we continue these productive discussions because all that's going to come from them is content that's more meticulous. Take pride in the fact that you're a significant part of that process! KyleJoan 14:27, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Thanks. Tomorrow I will talk in the talk page. It's strange, since, the last weeks, looks like I read different policies or understand Wikipedia in a different way. When you argued Omega was "overly specification", I just don't understand how that applied. I removed Carly Colon huge part because it was not prose, unsourced and no notable, bu the user put it back just because he wanted and other users didn't care. The WWE roster, one user just does whatever he want against several policies like WP:OR, but it's fine. In the WWE Hall of Fame, a consensus was created 10 years ago and user just said "there is no consensus" and insulted me. So, at times, it's hard to collavorate. Also, I understand why admins just laugh when we talk about our problems dealing with pro wrestling. One time, When MPJ promoted Mr Niebal, one user told him a pro wrestler in the news it's a shame for wikipedia. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 22:03, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

I can't speak for others, but I'd like to say that any disagreement we have had has never been personal; they've all been purely content-related, and I'm happy that our discussions have focused on that. In regards to general editing, I know you as an experienced editor have the ability to utilize all of the mechanisms necessary to edit and discuss in the most productive manner regardless of what other users–including myself–are doing. That said, if editing is weighing that heavily, I'm sure it wouldn't hurt to take a short break to clear the mind and come back when you begin missing the fun you had prior to recent times. KyleJoan 05:04, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

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You're being had by all these sock puppets, and I really don't see much help from the admins. All these RfC's on film articles, way over the top conversations for such little progress!! :/ Govvy (talk) 17:34, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

@Govvy: You really think so? I've had my suspicions, but I've been entirely unsure whether they are rational or whether I'm just jaded with the discussion. I'm trying so hard to cite guidelines to support my points and maintain a productive discourse, but it's beginning to seem futile. In any case, thank you for your kind message! It's always wonderful to be seen. KyleJoan 17:50, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

I tried to help out, comments at

WP:ANI and such, but you are up against someone who kind of bugs me out and quite often an admin force who select and choose when they want to help and how. It's kind of a weak oversight, but this is only wikipedia, I really don't edit much as some ppl on wikipedia, I think it's good to have a break from this place. Some people really do get way too obsessed with wikipedia. Peace be with you. Govvy (talk) 18:34, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Do not know if you would be interested, however, in knowing your experience in discussions, and your vast knowledge of guidelines and policies, thought you would like to participate in the discussion here. livelikemusic (TALK!) 22:10, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

@Livelikemusic: I'll take a look a little later and offer what I can. Thanks for the notification! KyleJoan 04:10, 28 May 2020 (UTC)