User talk:LPWik97203

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Please do take some time to review the information in the links above. Again, welcome! Jytdog (talk) 22:11, 7 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

...I need to ask you this direct question:

Are you paid for your editing on Wikipedia by the companies you write about, or any companies associated with them?

If so, you need to be aware of this:

The Wikimedia Foundation Terms of Use (which is our Terms of Use, since we've never adopted another one), says:

Paid contributions without disclosure

These Terms of Use prohibit engaging in deceptive activities, including misrepresentation of affiliation, impersonation, and fraud. As part of these obligations, you must disclose your employer, client, and affiliation with respect to any contribution for which you receive, or expect to receive, compensation. You must make that disclosure in at least one of the following ways:

• a statement on your user page,
• a statement on the talk page accompanying any paid contributions, or
• a statement in the edit summary accompanying any paid contributions.

Applicable law, or community and Foundation policies and guidelines, such as those addressing conflicts of interest, may further limit paid contributions or require more detailed disclosure.

A Wikimedia Project community may adopt an alternative paid contribution disclosure policy. If a Project adopts an alternative disclosure policy, you may comply with that policy instead of the requirements in this section when contributing to that Project. An alternative paid contribution policy will only supersede these requirements if it is approved by the relevant Project community and listed in the alternative disclosure policy page.

For more information, please read our FAQ on disclosure of paid contributions.

We reserve the right to exercise our enforcement discretion with respect to the above terms.

If you are a paid editor, you must comply with these terms, as well as with our English Wikipedia-specific policy on

So, again, a direct answer please: do you get paid for editing here? BMK (talk) 21:56, 7 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

So I am the new Marketing intern here at Lane Powell. I noticed that our page had little to no information and so I have started putting information down. I am not paid directly to just improve this page, this was something I noticed personally, and would like to fix. (LPWik97203 (talk) 22:30, 7 June 2016 (UTC))[reply]

(Just to be clear, I am not an admin, while Drmies is, so if he corrects anything I say here, please follow his directions.) As a employee of Lane Powell, you naturally have a conflict of interest, so it would be best if you would make suggestions on

WP:OTRS and follow the instructions there. Thanks for responding so promptly. BMK (talk) 00:20, 8 June 2016 (UTC)[reply

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Beyond My Ken is correct--but let me repeat that even if permission is granted, it's not likely that this content would just be accepted. We do encyclopedic writing here, and that's by definition different from a company history on the company website. Drmies (talk) 00:29, 8 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Following on what BMK wrote above, please do reply above and explictly disclose your relationship with Lane Powell. Also, would you please change your Username so that it is clear that this is being used by a single person? See notice below. Thanks

Welcome to Wikipedia. I noticed that your username, "LPWik97203", may not comply with our username policy. Please note that you may not use a username that represents the name of a company, group, organization, product, or website. Examples of usernames that are not allowed include "XYZ Company", "MyWidgetsUSA.com", and "Foobar Museum of Art". However, you are invited to use a username that contains such a name if it identifies you personally, such as "Jack Smith at XYZ Company", "Mark at WidgetsUSA", or "FoobarFan87".

Please also note that Wikipedia does not allow accounts to be shared by multiple people, and that you may not advocate for or promote any company, group, organization, product, or website, regardless of your username. Moreover, I recommend that you read our conflict of interest guideline. If you are a single individual and are willing to contribute to Wikipedia in an unbiased manner, please request a change of username, by completing this form, that complies with our username policy. Thank you. Jytdog (talk) 22:09, 7 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

How do I change my username (LPWik97203 (talk) 22:19, 7 June 2016 (UTC))[reply]

• I disagree with
  WP:NPOV. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 23:23, 7 June 2016 (UTC)[reply
  ]

I yield to to Drmies judgement on the username. But LPWik97203 please do explicitly disclose your relationship to the firm. Yip! Unit403 aka Jytdog (talk) 23:25, 7 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Jytdog, go through my logs and see how many username blocks I've made... That doesn't make me right, but I am the one with the block button! Drmies (talk) 23:33, 7 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I did yield! I already glorify your shiny greatness, you don't have to bop me on the head. Jytdog (talk) 00:24, 8 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• LPWik97203 you have a very clear COI here - would you please work with me on the COI management process? It starts with you disclosing your relationship with the firm. Please reply here and do that, and I can walk you through the rest. Thanks! Jytdog (talk) 15:53, 8 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Jytdog, sure. Frankly, I am just trying to update the page with information about the history of the company and how it came to be today. I reworded the entire document, but you seem to keep taking it down. I am more than happy to go through this step by step. (LPWik97203 (talk) 15:58, 8 June 2016 (UTC))[reply]

Hi - we just had what is called an "edit conflict". You did disclose, just above, right here. OK. So please formalize that by adding the disclosure to your userpage, which is

Talk:Lane Powell. There are two steps to the COI management process - once you post on your Userpage I will walk you through the rest of the COI management process. By the way, if you don't know what a "conflict of interest" is, please ask me, or ask someone at your firm - it is a big deal in law, and it is a serious matter here as well. Jytdog (talk) 16:02, 8 June 2016 (UTC)[reply

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Jytdog: Okay I added it to my userpage. What is the next step? (LPWik97203 (talk) 16:08, 8 June 2016 (UTC))[reply]

Awesome thanks. OK, so per

WP:PAID

and the [[WP:COI] guideline, what we ask editor with a COI to do, is to submit edits to a peer review. This piece may seem a bit strange to you at first, but if you think about it, it will make sense. In Wikipedia, editors can immediately publish their work, with no intervening publisher or standard peer review -- you can just create an article, click save, and voila there is a new article, and you can go into any article, make changes, click save, and done. No intermediary - no publisher, no "editors" as that term is used in the real world. So the bias that conflicted editors tend to have, can go right into the article. Conflicted editors are also really driven to try to make the article fit with their external interest. If they edit directly, this often leads to big battles with other editors.

What we ask editors to do who have a COI and want to work on articles where their COI is relevant, is a) if you want to create an article relevant to a COI you have,

Talk:Lane Powell

- there is a link at "click here" in that section -- if you click that, the Wikipedia software will automatically format a section in which you can make your request.

By following those "peer review" processes, editors with a COI can contribute where they have a COI, and the integrity of WP can be protected. We get some great contributions that way, when conflicted editors take the time to understand what kinds of proposals are OK under the content policies. (which I will say more about, if you want - and i hope you do want, as it will save us all a lot of time and trouble).

I hope that makes sense to you.

Will you please agree to follow the peer review processes going forward, when you want to work on the

Lane Powell article or any article where your COI is relevant? Do let me know, and if anything above doesn't make sense I would be happy to discuss. And if you want me to quickly go over the content policies so that your work here can be productive, I can do that. Just let me know. Thanks! Jytdog (talk) 16:36, 8 June 2016 (UTC)[reply

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Yes I will agree on doing that. So in simplistic terms, if I want to add something to LP page, I should first go to the LPtalk page and draft up the proposal there, and get approval, before posting. Yes I would like to hear the content policy as well please. (LPWik97203 (talk) 16:59, 8 June 2016 (UTC))[reply]

Great. I will post that in a new section. Jytdog (talk) 17:34, 8 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I am giving you as brief an overview as I can here. If you go over it once, you will get the gist. There are a bunch of links, and I suggest you at least look at the beginning of each. There is actually a lot to learn about editing here.

The first thing, is that our mission is to produce articles that provide readers with encyclopedic content that summarize accepted knowledge, and to do that as a community that anyone can be a part of. That's the mission. As you can imagine, if this place had no norms, it would be a Mad Max kind of world interpersonally, and content would be a slag heap (the quality is really bad in parts, despite our best efforts). But over the past 15 years the community has developed a whole slew of norms, via lots of discussion. One of the first, is that we decide things by consensus (as we define that). That decision itself, is recorded here:

• WP:CONSENSUS
  - already discussed
• WP:CIVIL - basically, be nice. This is not about being nicey nice, it is really about not being a jerk
  and having that get in the way of getting things done. We want to get things done here - get content written and maintained and not get hung up on interpersonal disputes. So just try to avoid doing things that create unproductive friction.
• WP:AGF
  - assume good faith about other editors. Try to focus on content, not contributor. Don't personalize it when content disputes arise. (the anonymity here can breed all kinds of paranoia)
• WP:OUTING
  part of this policy. (notice that I never asked you to personally identify yourself - I only asked about your relatinship with the law firm)
• WP:EDITWAR
  . If you cannot work it out locally, then use one of the methods here to get wider input. There are many - it never has to come down to two people arguing. There are instructions here too, about what to do if someone is behaving badly, in your view. Try to keep content disputes separate from behavior disputes. Many of the big messes that happen in Wikipedia arise from these getting mixed up.
• WP:ADVOCACY
  ; COI is just a subset of advocacy. (we get say, vegetarians who come here and are dying to write about how evil meat is, and how great vegetarianism is. They also write promotional, POV content)
• Talk:Lane Powell
  . At article talk pages, basically be concise, discuss content not contributors, and base discussion on the sources in light of policies and guidelines, not just your opinions or feelings. At user talk pages things are more open, but that is the relevant place to go if you want to discuss someone's behavior or talk about general WP stuff - like this whole post.

1. look for
   WP:RS
   for everything else, that give serious discussion to the topic, not just passing mentions. Start with great sources.
2. Look at the sources you found, and see if you have enough per
   WP:Golden rule
   to even go forward. If you don't, you can stop right there. (You generally need four or five)
3. Read the sources you found, and identify the main and minor themes to guide you with regard to
   WP:RECENTISM
4. Go look at manual of style guideline created by the relevant
   WikiProject, to guide the sectioning and other style matters (you can look at articles on similar topics but be ginger b/c WP has lots of bad content) - create an outline. (For example, for biographies, the relevant project is WP:WikiProject Biography) (For example, for companies, the relevant project is Wikipedia:WikiProject_Companies/Guidelines
   )
5. Create the blank article following the process described at
   articles for creation
   for your first few articles.
6. Start writing the body, based only on what is in the sources you have (not on what you know already), and provide an inline citation for each sentence as you go.
7. Make sure you write in neutral language. The most rigorous way to do this is to use no adjectives at your first go-round and add them back only as needed.
8. When you are done, write the
   categories
   , etc
9. Consider adding banners to the Talk page, joining the draft article to relevant Wikiprojects, which will help attract editors who are interested and knowledgeable to help work on the article. If you have a COI for the article, note it there.
10. The completed work should have nothing unsourced (because the sources drove everything you wrote, not prior knowledge or personal experiences) there is no
    WP:PROMO
    in it.
11. Submit your article for review by clicking the "submit your draft" button that was set up when you created the article. You will get responses from reviewers, and you can work with them to do whatever is needed to get the article ready to be published.