User talk:Londongreek

there was no copyright violation

You'll need to explain why you think cutting and pasting unambiguously copyrighted material from http://www.iaml.org/ is not a copyright violation. --jpgordon^{::==( o )} 00:09, 8 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Contrary to what is stated by MLauda there was no verbatim pasting from www.IAML.org Please consider

1 Article intro:"The International Academy of Matrimonial Lawyers (IAML) is a worldwide association of family lawyers who are recognised by their peers as the most experienced and expert family law specialists in their respective jurisdictions. The IAML was founded in 1986 and aims to improve global international family law practice"

The IAML strap line at IAML.org is similar but significantly different "The IAML is a worldwide association of practising lawyers who are recognised by their peers as the most experienced and expert family law specialists in their respective countries""

2 Heading "Chapters" in deleted article: "The IAML currently has 3 regional organisations, or Chapters[4]: a US Chapter with over 260 fellows from 33 states; a European Chapter with over 140 fellows from 21 different countries; and a Canadian chapter with over 30 fellows. Over 60 IAML fellows practice outside the USA, Europe and Canada, namely in Argentina, Australia, Brazil, Dominican Republic, Hong Kong, India, Israel, Japan, Jordan, Malaysia, New Zealand, Singapore and South Africa." This was initially different but was edited by an unrelated user "DonnaGoddard" to the extent that it replicated the website. I agree that this edit should be reversed.

3 Heading "Audrey Ducroux Memorial Lecture"

An annual lecture in memory of the late Audrey Ducroux, a highly regarded French family lawyer, is given by a leading international jurist at each IAML AGM. At the 2010 Meeting, held in Queenstown, New Zealand the lecture was presented by former Governor-General, Dame Silvia Cartwright, who asked the question " what impact do War Crimes tribunals have on the welfare of Victims?"[5] The 2011 Audrey Ducroux Keynote Speaker will be the Right Honorable Baroness Hale of Richmond, the first and (so far) only female judge of the Supreme Court of the United Kingdom (formerly House of Lords)

This section does not exist at IAML.org and the, in my view, highly important lecture, is hardly referred to. Once again the allegation to the effect that it was "pasted verbatim" from IAML.org is demonstrably wrong.

3 Notable Fellows This section, which was intended to pull together IAML members, many of whom are family/human rights activists, judges or politicians with entries in Wikipedia, does not exist elsewhere on the web (and certainly not in IAML.org. Once again the allegation to the effect that it was "pasted verbatim" from IAML.org is demonstrably wrong.

If it is felt that the intro is too similar to the strap line on the IAML website, I will redraft it. Otherwise I would respectfully ask to be unblocked and the article reinstated. The IAML leads the way in the important field of Family Law. It is mentioned in a considerable number of other pages, it is clear that an entry on the organisation is needed.

Per comment below, and having more than one open unblock at a time. — Daniel Case (talk) 14:23, 19 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Acroterion and apologies re the introduction and chapter sections ( I agree that they will need to be redrafted in accordance with the Wikipedia guidelines which I had not considered as carefully as I should have, notwithstanding the fact that the differences were such that there was no breach of copyright), however this does not hold true for the rest of the article which is not replicated in the IAML.org site. Additionally, I note that the article was edited by DonnaGoddard, an unrelated contributor and the Executive Director of the IAML who did not allege breach of copyright.

I would also ask you to consider the fact that the IAML strap line The IAML is a worldwide association of practising lawyers who are recognised by their peers as the most experienced and expert family law specialists in their respective countries is in the public domain, a google search will reveal that it is repeated in countless other sites with reference to this particular organisation ^[1]. Even if one ignores the fact that I changed the wording of the strap line in the introduction to the article, this fact alone is a defence to any allegation that there was any copyright breach.

I short, I accept that this article needs to be improved and the intro and "chapter" sections redrafted. I would welcome the opportunity to do this as soon as possible.

Thanks FisherQueen. I have an interest in International Family Law and this is one of the leading organisations in the field. It is mentioned in a number of Wikipedia articles ( see Canadian LGBT Rights campaigner Martha McCarthy^[2] and Irish Minister of Justice, Defence and Equality Alan Shatter)^[3], in countless lawyer websites around the world and in non-commercial sites devoted to law reform^[4] and collaborative law^[5]. I simply thought that it deserved an article which I tried to keep as neutral as possible and used a layout similar to other similar organisations ( the IBA and ABA, for example). This is not my organisation, as you may gather, the IAML is simply a not for profit bar association ^[6]. I have no conflict of interest. If I am unblocked I will, of course take your criticism on board. Going forward, I would like to contribute to and improve articles on international law, human rights and family law. My editing will certainly not be IAML specific. Clearly this episode has been a learning experience for me and I am confident that my future contributions will benefit as a result.

Per below, you probably shouldn't be unblocked unless you agree to stay away from the subject of IAML - whch s clearly not what you intend to do, based o your long statement justifying your editing in that area. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 05:45, 24 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]