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ibn taymiyyah dog
wahhabi filth. Vietcong nuturlizer (talk) 04:52, 23 February 2015 (UTC)
- Vietcong nuturlizer what do you mean? Mbcap (talk) 07:13, 23 February 2015 (UTC)
are you not a follower of wahabism? why did you revert my edit? Vietcong nuturlizer (talk) 23:05, 23 February 2015 (UTC)
- WP:CIVIL which is one of the five pillars and learn how to interact with your fellow editors. You cannot go around calling people Ibn Taymiyyah dog or Wahhabi filth. I ask you to withdraw those comments. Regarding the revert, it was done because the two references in the infobox said that the Islamic State adheres to a Salafist ideology. Finally regarding your question as to what or whom I follow, that is none of your business. Please do not ask other editors personal questions. Mbcap (talk) 23:41, 23 February 2015 (UTC)]
your still a dog and if you are a wahabi then ur not a muslim. ibn taymiyyah was an idiot kufar. Vietcong nuturlizer (talk) 00:03, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
- You know dam well ibn taymiyyah was sent to jail for his views. Mass media support by the puppet state of Saudi Arabia will not decimate the truth about this man. I know you hate to admit it but the terrorist groups all admire this idiotic man and call him "shaykh of islam". If it wasnt for the oil backing the brainwashing would not have occurred. Ibn taymiyyah took advantage of the chaos that endured after the fall of the caliphate at the hands of the mongols. I know for sure you have some sort of association with the Wahhabis seeing that you pounced on my edit on the ISIS article. if your so adamant in writing about Ibn taymiyyah, why dont you write in the article about how ibn taymiyyah's so called fatwa was the basis of burning a man alive by isis Vietcong nuturlizer (talk) 04:57, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
- Vietcong nuturlizer See this is much better. Thank you for the reply. You are correct that terrorist groups admire him, they quote him endlessly. Yes I am aware that he went to jail for his views. He went to jail five or six times for his view in fact. Please read the Ibn Taymiyyah page for more information but keep in mind that the article is not yet complete. You are also correct that the Saudi's follows this man and his ideas but they fail to admit the truth because they Saudi ruling establishment show one face to the west, and another to their people and the scholars who have such a massive hold over their internal policy. There was a Saudi TV presenter who was sacked because he criticised Ibn Taymiyyah. This is unfortunately the sad state of affairs. However what I do not understand is, why would you take out your frustration on me by calling me a "ibn taymiyyah dog" or "wahhabi filth"? I would kindly request that you withdraw those comments. Your edits on the Islamic State article are welcome and it was not my intention to pounce on them. The references said something and the edit said something else so I was obliged to correct it. Regarding my association with whatever party, religion or person, frankly that is not your business, unless I choose to divulge that information. My own experience has shown that people who hate Ibn Taymiyyah are mostly Shia or Sufi's because of the harsh rebuke Ibn Taymiyyah gave to these people, so I do understand why people do not like him.
- Regarding the burning, all I know is from a blog in the spectator which mentioned they did it via Qisas which was a reason also echoed by Moazaam Begg. I am not sure what Ibn Taymiyyah has to do with that. Mbcap (talk) 05:23, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
- I apologize. I was having a bad day. Vietcong nuturlizer (talk) 06:37, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
- Regarding the burning, all I know is from a blog in the spectator which mentioned they did it via Qisas which was a reason also echoed by Moazaam Begg. I am not sure what Ibn Taymiyyah has to do with that. Mbcap (talk) 05:23, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
No problem, we all have those days. Mbcap (talk) 09:00, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
@User:Vietcong nuturlizer, we do not tolerate such personal attack in wikipedia. Be careful. --Seyyed(t-c) 12:15, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
I dont believe it is a matter of being shia or sufi although it seems that way because those two groups have been attacked by the wahhabis. That logic would therefore persume that all of the past Sunnis were indeed Sufis including the Ottomans and muslims of the Saladin era. The majority of the modern "Sunnis" are ignorant of their religion so they are easy prey for wahhabis that call for the destruction of sunni schools . One can not call himself a Sunni when he does not follow one of the madhabs. Al Azhar has pointed out clearly that wahhabism is satanic. Ibn taymiyyah was exposed by one of his students for believing God has hands and legs like a human. This is why the terrorists all follow this man. Vietcong nuturlizer (talk) 01:12, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
- Vietcong nuturlizer I hear you and what? Mbcap (talk) 02:13, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
- User:Vietcong nuturlizer, do you realize beside terrorist groups "admire, follow and quote" ibn taymiya endlessly, actualy that groups also "admire and quoting endlesly" form Hadith of prophet Muhammad, Al-Bukhari's and Sunni imams works too. then why ibn taimiya have special treatment?. then, if one can not call himself a Sunni when he does not follow one of the madhabs, so what is the madhab of Al-Bukhari? or the madhdhab of Anas ibn Malik? isnt Ibn Taimiya himself is following jurisprudence of Hanbali madhab?. Please stop spreading private opinion, especially misleading one. ibensis (What’s the Story?) 03:07, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
- Ibn taymiyyah is known for pushing very dangeorus fatwas. Ibn taymiyyah himself said that one shouldnt follow a madhab blindly. Go and watch the ISIS video of the Jordan pilot, it is there they quote Ibn taymiyyah to justify burning someone alive. You can not simply compare yourself to the likes of "Al bukhari" who spent his entire life learning. If everyone proceeds to compile the hadiths collection on their own and interprets it thier way, eventually the results are fringe terrorist groups such as ISIS and others who follow the way of Ibn taymiyyah's "ignore consensus ways". Vietcong nuturlizer (talk) 03:33, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
- honestly i'm not really interested to talk about this theme, but you keep on coming with your opinion. i dont know who is ISIS exactly, suddenly they pop up to media in recent years, and i dont have any access to the video about Jordan pilot, i only read the incident from many articles headlines, so i dont know its true or not about the quote. but luckily they aren't quoting from Bukhari's this [1] or Volume 9, Book 84, Number 57. otherwise Imam Bukhari and Imam Ali will face same accusation from you. And i think we should stop this prolonged and unbeneficial argumentation. ibensis (What’s the Story?) 08:32, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
- It is not my opinion it is the opinion of scholars. i have seen you try to censor information on here to boost wahabism. I suggest you stop that and if you dont want to discuss this issue then dont respond to me. You obviously dont know much about the subject to have a discussion. Vietcong nuturlizer (talk) 20:40, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
- honestly i'm not really interested to talk about this theme, but you keep on coming with your opinion. i dont know who is ISIS exactly, suddenly they pop up to media in recent years, and i dont have any access to the video about Jordan pilot, i only read the incident from many articles headlines, so i dont know its true or not about the quote. but luckily they aren't quoting from Bukhari's this [1] or Volume 9, Book 84, Number 57. otherwise Imam Bukhari and Imam Ali will face same accusation from you. And i think we should stop this prolonged and unbeneficial argumentation. ibensis (What’s the Story?) 08:32, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
- Ibn taymiyyah is known for pushing very dangeorus fatwas. Ibn taymiyyah himself said that one shouldnt follow a madhab blindly. Go and watch the ISIS video of the Jordan pilot, it is there they quote Ibn taymiyyah to justify burning someone alive. You can not simply compare yourself to the likes of "Al bukhari" who spent his entire life learning. If everyone proceeds to compile the hadiths collection on their own and interprets it thier way, eventually the results are fringe terrorist groups such as ISIS and others who follow the way of Ibn taymiyyah's "ignore consensus ways". Vietcong nuturlizer (talk) 03:33, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
- User:Vietcong nuturlizer, do you realize beside terrorist groups "admire, follow and quote" ibn taymiya endlessly, actualy that groups also "admire and quoting endlesly" form Hadith of prophet Muhammad, Al-Bukhari's and Sunni imams works too. then why ibn taimiya have special treatment?. then, if one can not call himself a Sunni when he does not follow one of the madhabs, so what is the madhab of Al-Bukhari? or the madhdhab of Anas ibn Malik? isnt Ibn Taimiya himself is following jurisprudence of Hanbali madhab?. Please stop spreading private opinion, especially misleading one. ibensis (What’s the Story?) 03:07, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
Why has this turned into a discussion on Wahhabi's? The talk page is for content related discussion so please cease your posts. Mbcap (talk) 22:59, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
- You are the one that reverted my edit and started this. Dont act like your not aware of that. Ibenesis here has been caught red handed by me. He tried to change the wording of a source used for boko haram article. Vietcong nuturlizer (talk) 04:22, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
Freedom in Iran
Salam Alaykum, regarding to your edit
- Seyyedوعليكم السلام - All those things being taught are well and good but the crackdown and silencing of academics and the press are undeniable. I gave an example of Fars news agency which stated they had built a time machine, among other things. If a source is willing to do that, then how can you trust it? The sources originating from the press, educational institutions are generally unreliable. You only need to search the number of students and teachers that have faced problems. However, I should make clear that I am not calling for a blanket ban on Iranian sources, because that would be demonstrably unsatisfactory. If a an Iranian source is verifiable reliable then no one can stop that source from being used. Mbcap (talk) 20:53, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
- How can you conclude "educational institutions are generally unreliable"!!! The problems relate to their political activities not their intellectual ones. For example, if Mostafa Malekian had been in country such as Saudi Arabia or even Egypt, his philosophical ideas would have never been tolerated. You can compare him with what has done against Nasr Abu Zayd. While you said "However, I should make clear that I am not calling for a blanket ban on Iranian sources, because that would be demonstrably unsatisfactory. If a an Iranian source is verifiable reliable then no one can stop that source from being used.", the proposal was different. Please check the discussion again. As Feder clarified: " I consider practically all media which are subject to Iranian media laws unreliable. The same goes for media under North Korean law, Belarusian law, Syrian law etc.--Anders Feder "--Seyyed(t-c) 03:11, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
- Seyyedوعليكم السلام - All those things being taught are well and good but the crackdown and silencing of academics and the press are undeniable. I gave an example of Fars news agency which stated they had built a time machine, among other things. If a source is willing to do that, then how can you trust it? The sources originating from the press, educational institutions are generally unreliable. You only need to search the number of students and teachers that have faced problems. However, I should make clear that I am not calling for a blanket ban on Iranian sources, because that would be demonstrably unsatisfactory. If a an Iranian source is verifiable reliable then no one can stop that source from being used. Mbcap (talk) 20:53, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
- Please read the Clarification of the claim. As Andres Feders said above he means "practically all media which are subject to Iranian media laws unreliable" which means an Iranian magazine about life style or fauna is unreliable because it can not criticize the leader!!! You also has a general claim "The sources originating from the press, educational institutions are generally unreliable." As I understand this lead to ban all of the Iranian academic journal in every field such as medicine, philosophy or physics.--Seyyed(t-c) 03:33, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
- I disagree about such generalization. Is this hypothesis ]
Seyyed Where are you going with this? Does epistemology only encompass inductive reasoning? There is big diference between the beauty of falsifiability and the ululating impropriety which is practised by Iranian news sources. Mbcap (talk) 17:35, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
- I know there is a lot of problem in Iran, however I can not accept such generalization. Logically, we can not make general conclusion based on Inductive reasoning. this is an obvious Fallacy. Let me make an analogy which may help me to explain the issue. There are a lot of terrorist attacks which are made by Muslims. Can we conclude that every Muslim is a potential terrorist or every terrorist is Muslim. Or even Islam leads to terrorism? Your generalization is logically wrong as all of these ones.--Seyyed(t-c) 19:19, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
- Seyyed firstly logic and inductive reasoning are two separate fields of Epistemology. It is not entirely clear how you have synthesised the two together. Yes you are right, there are a lot of problems in Iran and your comment above which suggested Iran was more tolerant than Saudi and Egypt was laughable to say the least. All three spew out unreliable news sources. Regarding your analogy, it is completely devoid of reality. It does not in any way explain how it applies to our discussion regarding the unreliable news sources in Iran. Let me remind you about the time travelling machine story or that Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi was trained by Mossad or that the US is run by aliens. Give me one reliable Iranian news source. You wont be able to because the idea of a free press has not been invented yet in Iran. Regards Mbcap (talk) 20:24, 8 March 2015 (UTC)
- I know there is a lot of problem in Iran, however I can not accept such generalization. Logically, we can not make general conclusion based on Inductive reasoning. this is an obvious Fallacy. Let me make an analogy which may help me to explain the issue. There are a lot of terrorist attacks which are made by Muslims. Can we conclude that every Muslim is a potential terrorist or every terrorist is Muslim. Or even Islam leads to terrorism? Your generalization is logically wrong as all of these ones.--Seyyed(t-c) 19:19, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
Thank for your answer. We have different ideas and even different approach. However, I seldom use Iranian media so this issue does not make any problem. Wa Salam--Seyyed(t-c) 09:35, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
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I reported this user's personal attacks to the admins. I mentioned your name as another case of his attack. Therefor, you can refer to
How to attribute posts to other people
Hi, Mbcap. You recently tried to mark a post by someone else as being done by them, which is good as it avoids confusion. Template:Unsigned2 can do that for you, easily if you copy the information from the history. Hope this helps and keep up the good work editing and discussing. Banak (talk) 20:48, 10 March 2015 (UTC)
- Thanks I made a total mess of it and ended up undoing it. Will keep the template in mind next time it comes up. Mbcap (talk) 20:53, 10 March 2015 (UTC)
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Help
On Depictions of Muhammad I added references to Hadith books like this:
cite book|last1=Sahih Bukhari, Hadith no. 7.834, and Jeppiz reverted it saying that it doesn't meet WP:RS. Please help A.A.Wasif | Talk 11:24, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
- WP:PRIMARY. As to the revert, it looks like it is about the prohibition of depictions of the Prophet Muhammad which I am sure you will be able to find in secondary or tertiary souces, if you search google books or scholar. Let me know if you need anything else. Regards. Mbcap (talk) 22:31, 20 March 2015 (UTC)]
POV
here you have presented a political scientist in regard to "expert opinions" in connection to faithfulness to religion and have presented people like the Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia in the context of laymen. I very honestly begin to despair. GregKaye 14:58, 28 March 2015 (UTC)
- Greg I am not aware of a publication or a news story authored by the grand mufti of Saudi Arabia. Reliable sources do say that most Muslims reject the group, including the Muslim Scholars. These are news stories which are reported by journalists. I was speaking about the expert analysis on the group, Graeme Wood being one of those who has offered such. Mbcap (talk) 19:12, 28 March 2015 (UTC)Mbcap (talk) 00:33, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
Greetings. I just changed my recommendation on the article, based on a careful reading of
- Hello Tapered and thank you for informing me. However I still think the person is not notable enough to warrant an article. Regards. Mbcap (talk) 19:26, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
Regarding voting in article AfD
Hello. Could you please add your opinion to the AfD vote for Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hadith of the succession of Abu Bakr. I only ask this because i noticed you voted on a similar hadith issue. Thanyou.--58.106.235.75 (talk) 04:22, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
- Thanks 58.106.235.75. The article is a way bigger problem than you might think. I do not think it should be deleted but I completley understand why other's may want it to be deleted. The issues with the article are the following:
- The narration is one that comes from Ahlu Sunnah Wal Jama'ah.
- It is not a hadith but a narration. A hadith can only be from Muhammad. Since this came from Abu Bakr, it cannot be a hadith and no two sources disagree with this.
- It probably has extensive coverage in classical Arabic works.
- The vast majority of the commentary on this narration paints a very different picture to the one illustrated in the article at the moment.
- The narration has nothing to do with the Shia. They discount the validity of all Sunni sources and use the ones they agree with to create these POV pushing articles. Let me give you an example. The Muslims use a certain quotation from Deutronomy in 18:18 to prove the prophecy of Muhammad was laid down in the Bible. If you went to create an article on that quote from Deutronomy on Wikipedia to push this POV without reliable sources, it would be instantly deleted. This particular article on "Hadith of the succession of Abu Bakr" is the same. It relies on primary research and no reliable sources.
- It is extremely difficult to delete such article because a very deep understanding of Islamic works is needed to see the subtle game which is being played with these articles. There are many such articles, for example; hadith of the pond and the hadith about the cloak. Some old deletion discussions which I have gone through, revealed editors who commented that they did not have enough knowledge of the topic to make a decision, and therin lies the problem. We really need to attract more editors into Wikipedia who have expertise on these subjects.
- Despite these concerns I do not think it should be deleted as it does have coverage. The problem is all the information on that page comes from a Shia viewpoint, even though it is a Sunni topic. Imagine a catholic article being written from just a Mormon viewpoint. Someone who has a fully competent understanding of Arabic would need to go through the sources and make the article NPOV. As it stands it is atrocious but we really cannot do anything.Mbcap (talk) 21:01, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
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May I ask you to help me in copy-editing this article and making it a FA. Thanks.Salman mahdi (talk) 07:17, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
- Salman mahdi I would love to help you but I have exams at the moment. I will have more time after May so please do let me know if you still require assistance. Regards. Mbcap (talk) 14:38, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
- I try to find another copy-editor because we are in hurry, but if I could not find any one else until that time, I will ask you again. Really thanks for your kindness.--Salman mahdi (talk) 16:49, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
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- BoogaLouie My apologies for not replying yet, I will try to at a more suitable time. My hands are tied at the moment. Mbcap (talk) 20:52, 29 April 2015 (UTC)]
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- I am sorry but the opposer's have no legs to stand on. Any name other than Hillary Clinton is just wasting peoples time. This page should have been renamed years ago. Mbcap (talk) 05:44, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
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Umm Kulthum bint Ali
Your undo of my edit was extremely unfair. I simply wanted to let wikipedia readers know that the marriage of Umm Kulthum bint Ali was an issue disputed among various sects of Muslims (and certainly not 'fringe' sects). I provided sources for a competing point of view and DID NOT delete the work of the original article (stating that she was married to Umar) which I could have done under the pretext that it was not reliable or a 'fringe position'. Please allow readers to engage with both points of view. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kaztrack (talk • contribs) 00:30, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
- On the contrary it is a very fringe view and this is not a sectarian polemic chat forum to entertain such discussions. You have been reverted for the third time so I would encourage you to read ]
Excuse me. Wikipedia is not your personal blog to entertain what you may or may not define as fringe or to present an unbalanced view of the issue. In my edit I made it clear that the position that Umar ibn Khattab was not the spouse of Umm Kulthum bin Ali was a view held by SOME Muslims. I did not vandalize the page or attempt to hide pieces of information as you seem to be doing. Please do not allow Wikipedia to be a forum for your personal opinions. I am not interested in getting into an editing war, so it would be apt to agree on a compromise where both points of view can be presented. I suggest that the position of Umm Kulthum bint Ali being the disputed wife of Ali be labelled as a 'minority position'. Would you have objections to this? Kaztrack (talk) 05:16, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
- Kaztrack Absolute rubbish, I suggest you re-read the sources again. Mbcap (talk) 18:17, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
Absolute rubbish? That is certainly an excellent argument for dishonestly attempting to hide certain pieces of information that do not fit your seemingly sectarian views. I offered a solution to resolve the problem and you have belied it. Kaztrack (talk) 19:55, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
Take care on ISIL talkpage
A number of users have ended up blocked, interaction banned or page banned after opposing Legacypac and making uncivil or borderline uncivil comments. Don't become another such person. StanTheMan is already at ANI. Banak (talk) 09:30, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
- Banak I always try to treat fellow editors with respect. Please have a look at the first section in this page where a user called me filth and a dog but I still engaged in a friendly manner or at least I hope I did. However what I do not appreciate is the ISIL talk page being used as a forum and causing disruption to normalisation between policy & the mainspace. I respect that there are opposing arguments and I always appreciate coherent and consistent debate in light of policy that is content related and appropriate. One example is RGGlouster (I may have spelt the name wrong). His/her arguements I can respect because they are coherent, consistent, policy based and related to content. As to those who have made the page their pet project for the war on ISIL then that is something I have had enough of. If they get me or even StanTheMan banned, then that is OK. I will just follow a long line of editors that have been silenced, such as Technophant, P123ct, DocumentError. Mbcap (talk) 11:11, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
- I did see those posts. They are far beyond what would be needed to get banned. I've been watching your talkpage because I was worried they were going to take you to ANI a year ago. I was going to stop watching, but saw a attempted outing by an IP in January which I asked to have the revision deleted of, and it was. Legacy felt the need to say that Greg never made such allegations, and various other IPs came from nowhere to attack you. Various IPs often appear during ANIs as well. Given all this I decided to not stop watching, which I hope you don't mind.
- Just want you to be aware, that you wouldn't have to do a personal attack to be forced to ANI for incivility. I also would be annoyed if you were blocked, not least because it would be bad for balance of the talk page. Banak (talk) 18:45, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
- Banak I do not know what I have done to deserve the much welcome assistance you have always given me. I feel very much obliged Banak. Your advice has always served me well so out of deference to you I will take the weekend off and start on Monday with a fresh mind. As for following my page, off course you may. Mbcap (talk) 19:09, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
- Just want you to be aware, that you wouldn't have to do a personal attack to be forced to ANI for incivility. I also would be annoyed if you were blocked, not least because it would be bad for balance of the talk page. Banak (talk) 18:45, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
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- The weekly task triage meetings continue to be open to volunteers, usually on Tuesdays at 12:00 (noon) PDT (19:00 UTC). Learn how to join the meetings and how to nominate bugs at mw:VisualEditor/Weekly triage meetings. You do not need to attend the meeting to nominate a bug for consideration as a Q1 blocker, though. Instead, go to Phabricator and "associate" the main VisualEditor project with the bug.
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VisualEditor update
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The location of the visual editor's preference has been changed from the "Beta" tab to the "Editing" section of your preferences on this wiki. The setting now says Temporarily disable the visual editor while it is in beta. This aligns en.wiki with almost all the other WMF wikis; it doesn’t mean the visual editor is complete, or that it is no longer “in beta phase” though.
This action has not changed anything else for editors: it still honours editors’ previous choices about having it on or off; logged-out users continue to only have access to wikitext; the “Edit” tab is still after the “Edit source” one. You can learn more at the visual editor’s talk page.
We don’t expect this to cause any glitches, but in case your account no longer has the settings that you want, please accept our apologies and correct it in the Editing tab of Special:Preferences. Thank you for your attention, Elitre (WMF) -16:32, 7 October 2015 (UTC)
VisualEditor News #5—2015
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Since the last newsletter, the VisualEditor Team has fixed many bugs, added new features, and made some small design changes. They post weekly status reports on mediawiki.org. Their workboard is available in Phabricator. Their current priorities are improving support for languages like Japanese and Arabic, making it easier to edit on mobile devices, and providing rich-media tools for formulæ, charts, galleries and uploading.
Recent improvements
Educational features: The first time you use the visual editor, it now draws your attention to the Link and ⧼visualeditor-toolbar-cite-label⧽ tools. When you click on the tools, it explains why you should use them. (T108620) Alongside this, the welcome message for new users has been simplified to make editing more welcoming. (T112354) More in-software educational features are planned.
Links: It is now easier to understand when you are adding text to a link and when you are typing plain text next to it. (T74108, T91285) The editor now fully supports ISBN, PMID or RFC numbers. (T109498, T110347, T63558) These "magic links" use a custom link editing tool.
Uploads: Registered editors can now upload images and other media to Commons while editing. Click the new tab in the "Insert Images and media" tool. You will be guided through the process without having to leave your edit. At the end, the image will be inserted. This tool is limited to one file at a time, owned by the user, and licensed under Commons's standard license. For more complex situations, the tool links to more advanced upload tools. You can also drag the image into the editor. This will be available in the wikitext editor later.
Mobile: Previously, the visual editor was available on the mobile Wikipedia site only on tablets. Now, editors can use the visual editor on any size of device. (T85630) Edit conflicts were previously broken on the mobile website. Edit conflicts can now be resolved in both wikitext and visual editors. (T111894) Sometimes templates and similar items could not be deleted on the mobile website. Selecting them caused the on-screen keyboard to hide with some browsers. Now there is a new "Delete" button, so that these things can be removed if the keyboard hides. (T62110) You can also edit table cells in mobile now.
Rich editing tools: You can now add and edit sheet music in the visual editor. (T112925) There are separate tabs for advanced options, such as MIDI and Ogg audio files. (T114227 and T113354) When editing formulæ and other blocks, errors are shown as you edit. It is also possible to edit some types of graphs; adding new ones, and support for new types, will be coming.
On the English Wikipedia, the visual editor is now automatically available to anyone who creates an account. The preference switch was moved to the normal location, under Special:Preferences.
Future changes
You will soon be able to switch from the wikitext to the visual editor after you start editing. (T49779) Previously, you could only switch from the visual editor to the wikitext editor. Bi-directional switching will make possible a single edit tab. (T102398) This project will combine the "Edit" and "Edit source" tabs into a single "Edit" tab, similar to the system already used on the mobile website. The "Edit" tab will open whichever editing environment you used last time.
Let's work together
- Share your ideas and ask questions at mw:VisualEditor/Feedback. This feedback page uses Flow for discussions.
- Can you read and type in Korean or Japanese? Language engineer David Chan needs people who know which tools people use to type in some languages. If you speak Japanese or Korean, you can help him test support for these languages. Please see the instructions at mw:VisualEditor/IME Testing#What to test if you can help, and report it on Phabricator (Korean - Japanese) or on Wikipedia (Korean - Japanese).
- Local admins can set up the Citoid automatic reference feature for your wiki. If you need help, then please post a request in the Citoid project on Phabricator. Include links to the TemplateData for the most important citation templates on your wiki.
- The weekly task triage meetings are open to volunteers. Learn how to join the meetings and how to nominate bugs at mw:VisualEditor/Weekly triage meetings. You do not need to attend the meeting to nominate a bug for consideration, though. Instead, go to Phabricator and "associate" the main VisualEditor project with the bug.
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VisualEditor News #6—2015
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Since the last newsletter, the VisualEditor Team has fixed many bugs and expanded the mathematics formula tool. Their workboard is available in Phabricator. Their current priorities are improving support for languages such as Japanese and Arabic, and providing rich-media tools for formulæ, charts, galleries and uploading.
Recent improvements
You can switch from the wikitext editor to the visual editor after you start editing.
The LaTeX mathematics formula editor has been significantly expanded. (T118616) You can see the formula as you change the LaTeX code. You can click buttons to insert the correct LaTeX code for many symbols.
Future changes
The single edit tab project will combine the "Edit" and "Edit source" tabs into a single "Edit" tab, like the system already used on the mobile website. (T102398) Initially, the "Edit" tab will open whichever editing environment you used last time. Your last editing choice will be stored as a cookie for logged-out users and as an account preference for logged-in editors. Logged-in editors will be able to set a default editor in the Editing tab of Special:Preferences in the drop-down menu about "Editing mode:".
The visual editor will be offered to all editors at the following Wikipedias in early 2016: Amharic, Buginese, Min Dong, Cree, Manx, Hakka, Armenian, Georgian, Pontic, Serbo-Croatian, Tigrinya, Mingrelian, Zhuang, and Min Nan. (T116523) Please post your comments and the language(s) that you tested at the feedback thread on mediawiki.org. The developers would like to know how well it works. Please tell them what kind of computer, web browser, and keyboard you are using.
In 2016, the feedback pages for the visual editor on many Wikipedias will be redirected to mediawiki.org. (T92661)
Testing opportunities
- Please try the new system for the single edit tab on test2.wikipedia.org. You can edit while logged out to see how it works for logged-out editors, or you can create a separate account to be able to set your account's preferences. Please share your thoughts about the single edit tab system at the feedback topic on mediawiki.org or sign up for formal user research (type "single edit tab" in the question about other areas you're interested in). The new system has not been finalized, and your feedback can affect the outcome. The team particularly wants your thoughts about the options in Special:Preferences. The current choices in Special:Preferences are:
- Remember my last editor,
- Always give me the visual editor if possible,
- Always give me the source editor, and
- Show me both editor tabs. (This is the current state for people using the visual editor. None of these options will be visible if you have disabled the visual editor in your preferences at that wiki.)
- Can you read and type in Korean or Japanese? Language engineer David Chan needs people who know which tools people use to type in some languages. If you speak Japanese or Korean, you can help him test support for these languages. Please see the instructions at mw:VisualEditor/IME Testing#What to test if you can help, and report it on Phabricator (Korean - Japanese) or on Wikipedia (Korean - Japanese).
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Whatamidoing (WMF), 00:54, 24 December 2015 (UTC)
VisualEditor News #1—2016
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Since the last newsletter, the VisualEditor Team has fixed many bugs. Their workboard is available in Phabricator. Their current priorities are improving support for Japanese, Korean, Arabic, Indic, and Han scripts, and improving the single edit tab interface.
Recent changes
You can switch from the wikitext editor to the visual editor after you start editing. This function is available to nearly all editors at most wikis except the Wiktionaries and Wikisources.
Many local feedback pages for the visual editor have been redirected to mw:VisualEditor/Feedback.
You can now re-arrange columns and rows in tables, as well as copying a row, column or any other selection of cells and pasting it in a new location.
The formula editor has two options: you can choose "Quick edit" to see and change only the LaTeX code, or "Edit" to use the full tool. The full tool offers immediate preview and an extensive list of symbols.
Future changes
The single edit tab project will combine the "Edit" and "Edit source" tabs into a single "Edit" tab. This is similar to the system already used on the mobile website. (T102398) Initially, the "Edit" tab will open whichever editing environment you used last time. Your last editing choice will be stored as an account preference for logged-in editors, and as a cookie for logged-out users. Logged-in editors will have these options in the Editing tab of Special:Preferences:
- Remember my last editor,
- Always give me the visual editor if possible,
- Always give me the source editor, and
- Show me both editor tabs. (This is the state for people using the visual editor now.)
The visual editor uses the same search engine as Special:Search to find links and files. This search will get better at detecting typos and spelling mistakes soon. These improvements to search will appear in the visual editor as well.
The visual editor will be offered to all editors at most "Phase 6" Wikipedias during the next few months. The developers would like to know how well the visual editor works in your language. They particularly want to know whether typing in your language feels natural in the visual editor. Please post your comments and the language(s) that you tested at the feedback thread on mediawiki.org. This will affect the following languages: Japanese, Korean, Urdu, Persian, Arabic, Tamil, Marathi, Malayalam, Hindi, Bengali, Assamese, Thai, Aramaic and others.
Let's work together
- Please try out the newest version of the single edit tab on test2.wikipedia.org. You may need to restore the default preferences (at the bottom of test2wiki:Special:Preferences) to see the initial prompt for options. Were you able to find a preference setting that will work for your own editing? Did you see the large preferences dialog box when you started editing an article there?
- Can you read and type in Korean, Arabic, Japanese, Indic, or Han scripts? Language engineer David Chan needs help from people who often type in these languages. Please see the instructions at mw:VisualEditor/IME Testing#What to test if you can help. Report your results on wiki (Korean – Japanese – all languages).
- Learn how to improve the "automagical" citoid referencing system in the visual editor, by creating Zotero translators for popular sources in your language! Join the Tech Talk about "Automated citations in Wikipedia: Citoid and the technology behind it" with Sebastian Karcher on 29 February 2016.
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– Whatamidoing (WMF) 17:47, 25 February 2016 (UTC)