User talk:Mughalnz

1. Archive 2009-2010

I replied on the article talk page (best to let everyone in on the discussion). The basic point is that Jinnah is an important element in the partition of India but no more important than say Bose or Tilak in the Independence of India (both India's here refer to the pre-1947 entity). A photograph and a special mention under the partition section is appropriate but not in the independence section (otherwise we're going to have Bose supporters, Tilak supporters and Bhagat Singh supporters all clamoring to get in. --RegentsPark (sticks and stones) 03:54, 24 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ok agree just delete the discussion completely because then they say yes we should that Mughalnz (talk) 03:59, 24 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

That's fine with me. Go ahead and delete the discussion. --RegentsPark (sticks and stones) 04:02, 24 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I suggest you report him to admins whenever he sends abusive remarks and respond accordingly thats the only way to shut up hindus we did rule them for 800 years you know not even kaali mataa could stop the mughals using her statues as furniture ;-) 86.158.238.222 (talk) 11:30, 24 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Mughalnz, the two pieces you removed are well-sourced. The B Raman statement is clearly identified as an opinion and the source is fine. The gilgit-baltistan statement is sourced by Asia Times, which is reliable. Regards. --RegentsPark (sticks and stones) 03:00, 26 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• But if the opinion(from one person) is allowed in Pak kashmir then it will be allowed in Indian Kashmir(including institute from china and Pak)
• Furthermore the same Publication was used in State sponsored terrorism (in Indian section ),they were called unreliable resources (Asia time ).Mughalnz (talk) 03:11, 26 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Ok agree but then it will allow asia time publications about indian kashmir to used in the other page .
• i have tried to use it but with no success
  WP:RSNcan
  you give me a quick intro in how to use it

• how about this http://www.pu.edu.pk/psc/journal/PDF-FILES/Artical%20-%207.pdf

I'll take a look and get back to you later today. --RegentsPark (sticks and stones) 14:51, 26 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I took a look at the two (Raman as well as Chatta). Raman belongs to a think tank and has the credentials for his opinion to be included in the article. I'm not sure about Chatta because I can't find any information on him or her. I would personally exclude that opinion. Is there an Asia Times article that has been excluded from the Indian Kashmir page? Let me know what it sources and I'll take a look. --RegentsPark (sticks and stones) 18:22, 26 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• it may be opinion but cite the times magazines ( U.K not U.S ) of the cleansing of muslim that reliable fact unaltered i try to have the cited source ref but you have to pay for it since it is an archive news source ;I have got access to through University if want to see for you self( not opinion) i can email it to you to see for you self (even though it can't be used in wikipedia)
• i have tried that some continual resistance to such as Indian annexation of Jammu and kashmir i used the time article bu the edits were reverted no plebiscite the arrest ^[1].But has been some progress in the other areas .
• Like in the state sponsored terrorism page look at the last revert it by him.
• I apologize for the deletes but it frustration when i searched for reliable information ,then they are deleted or reverted even Like in the state sponsored terrorism page look at the last revert it .
• still deciding which info to use

Send me the times article and I'll take a look. I cleaned up your edits to State sponsored terrorism (they were well sourced). --RegentsPark (sticks and stones) 02:23, 27 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

On September 2009 U.S.

• the above paragraph is well referenced and pertains to Ilyas Kashmiri who is a well know Alqaeda activist and chief of HUJI. do not rm sourced info just to push your POV . Dawn , the news international and daily times are prominent pakistani newspapers extensively cited on WP. Bruce Riedel is the foremost expert on alqaeda and advisor to Obama on matters pertaining to islamic extremism. consider this your last warning. Wikireader41 (talk) 02:13, 28 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The leader of the Harkat-ul-Mujahideen a major Kashmiri militant group, Fazlur Rehman Khalil, signed al-Qaeda's 1998 declaration of holy war, which called on Muslims to attack all Americans and their allies.^[7]

• why did you remove this. you think this is not relevant in alqaeda as well as Kashmir conflict article. is it because it is from an unreliable source or you just dont like it

• sweet algud nothing wrong with the resources you giving me now (i have not really checked you argument right now i am busy got assignment due check later on if i got some point to make about it )
• but you were quoting sources and bringing your own synthesis in the argument but not actually what some of your ref said resources said this is why i deleted the argument (in doing so that deleted the sources sorry about that ) such as al qaeda in jammu and Kashmir etc this was pov and it is not my job to rewrite it
• it was your fault that you brought own Synthesis using reliable resources as result you argument not in wiki policy . I told you this on your own page man already .thanks kind regards man
• Harkat-ul-Mujahideen is difintly relevant to both article but you potraying(pov) them as alaeda when they were not you did not make distinction between them eg al qaeda and Kashmir militants but now you have made a clear difference them the is much better it is not my job to rewrite it for you ( especially when you don't wan to cooperate in writing it ).

• Why did you changed heading when the considerable amount of info that there you have about Pakistan,Afgnistan ( i added )not Kashmir that pov so that needs to written with different title .

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Mughalnz&action=edit&section=4

• you deleted NYtimes article and ABC news article .(are trying to hide some important info)

• Do you want cooperate in writing(like full grown men) this article it will be a lot easier we will make each argument more npov

• and not arguing like little kids over a candy bar (this means me as well) Kind regards thank for your time to bring you side of the argument thanks man Mughalnz (talk) 23:43, 28 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

do not accuse me of synthesis. you are the one who is having difficulty believing Alqaeda and Kashmiri militants are 'birds of a feather that flock together'. Why ??????? I do NOT cooperate with POV pushers like you and am working diligently to get you blocked permanently from WP for POV pushing. The section is about Kashmir which is one of the main front of Alqaeda. info about pakistan is in another section. do not accuse me of Hiding anything. you are the one who vandalized the article and removed well sourced and relevant info. I have no reason to believe you are a grown up man. you are incapable of NPOV so stay away from WP. consider this your FINAL warning. you still have not explained why you removed info sourced to BBC, NY times etc. Do you think Bin Laden did not write the letter or did not make the comments. Wikireader41 (talk) 02:17, 29 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• you did made no clear enough distinction between thus potraying them as al qeada thus synthesis and own argument +you
• cfr say connection not say they are al qaeda.
• there also secular like JKLF the also leftist militants you are generalizing about Kashmir militants
• i do not know if kashmir is a major front but the has never been an al qaeda attack in kashmir at all (maybe pushing undue wieght aboout actual al qaeda in kashmir ).
• how about i got to your talk page to address deference's before i make any edits
• i removed the Global security because it is not reliable source (if it reliable it says india RAW conduct terrorist activities in Pakistan and other countries was it removal is pov ) obviously laden wrote but source you used was unreliable source
• that bit about hiding was suppose to be deleted man sorry about that man about
• not my fault you gave you own agument in wiki
• You deleted my abc ref can you please put it back up.make an afghan section as well thanks man for making the Pakistans Section you are a hard worker.
• i did not delete the bit where said 'n investigation in 2002 unearthed evidence that Al-Qaeda and its affiliates were prospering in
  Pakistan-administered Kashmir with tacit approval of Pakistan's National Intelligence agency Inter-Services Intelligence
  <' is that point of view
• the deletes and edit i made was because of your own synthesis and your own argument that why you have deleted .You have also deleted my ref like abc article is this pov
• You still don't want to cooperate it ok it is a free world your choice .
• You a Indian right so which part of India you originally from any way E.G bengal,assam,Kerala , punjab gOa.
• you also live in U.S what you think of OBama health reforms
• i will go to your page next time to discuss about stuff about he article.
• Hope you have good day man kInd regards thanks man this is what my Pune mate taught me Phir milenge he said it means see you next time.

if you have any knowledge of AlQaeda you would know that they do NOT issue uniforms or ID cards. they are a loose affiliation of wahhabi groups. i have not removed your nonsense about there being any peaceful movement in Kashmir. In your dreams. kashmir in the last 10 years is ALL alqaeda and its affiliated groups supported by saudi money. If you keep on accusing me of synthesis you only srengthen the case against yourself for a permanent block. DO NOT come to my page. Like I said I do not want anything to do with wahhabi POV pushers like you except to see them to the point where they are blocked. I am 100% convinced that you have ALREADY broken enough WP policy of neutrality and support of murderers and wahhabis that you will not only get blocked but will burn in hell for all eternityWikireader41 (talk) 03:57, 29 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• i acknowledge what is true in first sentence (but it is original research)I don't support murderers or terrorist as they distract people from the true grievances from people across
  Kashmir region
  who have been under foreign occupation since the British and after the British.(and all countries involved exploit the people for there national policy agenda.)
• please calm down man you can if you want to report me up to you
• i acknowledge foriegn hands in kashmiri seperatist movement but not all of them are terrorist and murderer e.g mirwaiz farooq (who father was killed by islamic kashmiri militants)
• Ok i will bring it to the discussions to the talk page
• Peace movement was removed from the Kashmir conflict main page but not by you.
• besides by the look of it i am not going to challenge as you and your edits you have made a sharp improvement in pursuing npov in your writing article .
• please keep you personal remarks to you self please .Kind regards Have a good dayMughalnz (talk) 05:08, 29 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I just want to inform you that I reported the user User:Wikireader41 for his personal attacks against you at the following two places:

• Wikipedia:Wikiquette_alerts/archive80#Reporting_personal_attacks_by_User:Wikireader41
• Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/IncidentArchive595#Personal_attacks_by_User:Wikireader41

If he gives you trouble again and you take it up with the administrators, you can show them these links.--Hj108 (talk) 17:03, 26 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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