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Democratic Party presidential primaries, 2016 page editing disagreement
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Superdelegates
A few questions, since you seem to know about Wikipedia's coverage of superdelegates: Was there a page on superdelegates for 2012? Were there superdelegates in 2014 (a non-presidential year)? Is there any Wikipedia coverage of Republican superdelegates? – Philosopher Let us reason together. 10:15, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
- @Philosopher: There was (is) a page for the last competitive Dem. primary, in '08. I don't think there has ever been one for Republicans, likely because there are considerably fewer unpledged delegates on the GOP side and they bear less influence on the outcome.PotvinSux (talk) 10:48, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
- Thanks. – Philosopher Let us reason together. 13:24, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
Help with a research project
PotvinSux,
I am currently working on a research project with several professors at the University of Virginia on the effect of celebrity endorsements on political campaigns, and I am hoping to enlist your help. I see that you are one of the main contributors to Hillary Clinton's endorsement page, and I would love to speak with you about your contributions further. If you are willing to chat, please let me know.
Best — Preceding unsigned comment added by WatsonWahoo (talk • contribs) 17:24, 20 February 2016 (UTC)
Help with a research project
PotvinSux,
I am working on a research project with several professors at the University of Virginia, and I am hoping to enlist your help. We are studying the effect of celebrity endorsements on political campaigns, and I see that you are a major contributor to the Wiki pages regarding endorsements for current candidates. If you have time and are willing, I would love to speak with you further about your involvement on these pages.
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I think this is an important research question - I'm happy you're taking a look at it. I certainly can't make an informed claim that celebrity endorsements matter all that much. I've helped curate these lists because candidates will invariably claim the support of all sorts of individuals who might carry some kind of clout or cache, so it seems reasonable that there should be a comprehensive accounting. I'm not exactly unwilling to speak with you - I'm just having a hard time imagining how I could be useful beyond the product we have collectively created here.PotvinSux (talk) 20:15, 20 February 2016 (UTC)
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Please don't call my work vandalism
The billionaire supporters of the presidential candidates is not vandalism; it is newsworthy, relevant, verifiable, and neutral. I have made sure to list the billionaire supporters of every active presidential candidate - Trump, Rubio, Cruz, Kasich, Clinton, and Sanders. Please do not revert or call it vandalism. --The Cunctator (talk) 11:29, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
- When one insists on a politically loaded classification that does not fit a clearly established schema (categorization by occupation for those not holding elected office) that has been in place since the creation of the page, particularly without discussion on the appropriate talk page and without bothering to pay attention to formatting (i.e., alphabetization of sections), it stretches the imagination to interpret this as anything other than an attempt to damage the encyclopedia to make a cheap point: there is notably one candidate that uses "billionaire" as a slur, and one candidate that was not affected by your change (made on an election day; a similar change previously made on an earlier election day). I will be reverting your changes on the other pages as well - they do not fit the schema for those pages. If you categorize people by how much money they have, the only way this can be consistent is to start categorizing actors by how many Oscars they've won, etc., etc. I apologize for labeling this "vandalism" if that characterization offends you. That was not constructive on my part. I am having a very difficult time interpreting your edits as the product of good faith, but it is my responsibility to try. If you feel this is an important change that should be made, please open discussion sections on the talk page for the relevant pages.PotvinSux (talk) 17:21, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
- This is not vandalism. I'm not offended by your use of the term; it's false and fails to assume good faith. My work is properly referenced and neutral. If you are offended by the formatting, I trust that you can fix it! I genuinely believe you are influenced by some personal bias. I am not the one introducing the concept or importance of billionaires into the election. It seems like you feel you "own" these pages -- instead, why don't you trust that I'm a fellow Wikipedian and *edit* my contributions instead of deleting and attacking them? --The Cunctator (talk) 15:34, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
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@The Cunctator: You are fairly obviously offended. It's okay to be offended - you have a perfectly reasonable claim to have taken offense. My terminology was not in keeping with guidelines as you are an editor in good standing; I acknowledge that and apologize (once more). I assumed bad faith because, as I said, "billionaire" is more readily used as a slur than a descriptor in the discourse of this Democratic Primary and because the change was made on an election day (that is when we get the most vandalism on related pages). I tell you this not to justify my terminology but rather by way of explanation so that you might accept my apology if you are so inclined.
I don't feel I "own" anything. I certainly do feel responsible for maintaining the quality and consistency of pages I edit (as, I can only assume, do other users who contribute to the encyclopedia). Per
- What stand-alone would you recommend? Dem primaries doesn't seem to be the correct only place because this is about all of the candidates. Do you have any objection to the Forbes ranking being added to the endorsers in their businesspeople category? BTW "billionaire" isn't a slur - it's a quantitative descriptor! It's just a policy difference. --The Cunctator (talk) 20:04, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
- I'm having a hard time coming up with a title because "Political Influence of the Wealthy via Campaign Contributions," actually sounds more like a PoliSci paper than a Wikipedia article now that I think about it. This may be worth brainstorming though. Alternatively, I think Campaign finance in the United States is very heavy on the regulations and very light on how things work in practice. I think adding a section on different fundraising models and the potential sociopolitical consequences of the most prevalent ones would significantly improve that article.
- As for the Forbes ranking, I have mixed feelings: On one hand, I do not think providing the Forbes ranking is necessary. I was about to propose deleting the "representing XYZ" at the end of the labor unions because it takes up space and forces entries onto a second line without providing any information that wouldn't be available by clicking the page-link. Similarly, we don't include how many albums artists have sold or how many Golden Globes people have won although I would argue that these are helpful in evaluating the significance of an endorsement. Frankly, it's immaterial to me whether folks' Forbes rankings are included. What is important to me, on the other hand, is drawing a reasonable principle or set of criteria according to which we can judge across all the different situations whether a given type of supplementary information is necessary. Do you have any ideas in this respect? If we can come up with a set of criteria not specific to this individual situation that would dictate including these rankings I would have no objection. Should probably move that conversation over to the article's talk page.
- A slur can be a descriptor (e.g., "gay"). I'm defining "slur" as word used in a pejorative context to stigmatize a population. I've now wrapped my mind around that you're using it purely in the descriptive sense, but when the words "millionaires and billionaires" elicit hearty boos at politically rallies, I think it's pretty clear that in the context of this campaign it is commonly used as a slur. This is to the extent that I automatically imputed bad faith without thinking too hard about it.PotvinSux (talk) 21:49, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
- Whoa, "gay" is not a slur. It's troubling you would say that.--The Cunctator (talk) 18:06, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
- @The Cunctator: When it was hurled at me across the high school cafeteria, for example, it sure felt like a slur as opposed to an objective description unmotivated by the intent to shame me. See the third paragraph here: Gay. Whether or not something is used as a slur relies on whether it reflects a desire to stigmatize a person or a group as an object of scorn, not the objective worth of the target.PotvinSux (talk) 20:24, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
- Whoa, "gay" is not a slur. It's troubling you would say that.--The Cunctator (talk) 18:06, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
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Democratic delegates accounting
In this edit you adjusted Hillary Clinton's total delegates:
- Pledged -2 to 1300, matching The Green Papers current total
- Unpledged +1 to 474, matching The Green Papers current total and Wikipedia's full list(wow, agreement from two sources, rarely seen!)
I was wondering why the pledged TGP estimate now differs from the comprehensive Template:2016USDem table (1302), and I found that TGP recently changed their projection for Arizona yielding 42-33 for Clinton instead of 44-31. So we could edit our table to match this, however the same TGP page includes a results table by district which still adds up to 44-31 total pledged delegates, and they don't provide another clue why they changed the count. Press sources do not mention a recent change and are mostly inconsistent as usual; some mention fraud allegations. Besides, if we accept the new 42-33 split, then we must also add two delegates to the Sanders total, yielding 1085 instead of 1083 (you only updated the Clinton side). Therefore I would suggest that we keep the total pledged as is (1302 for Clinton, 1083 for Sanders) and either look for more recent sources for Arizona or ask Mr. Berg-Andersson of TGP for an explanation. What do you think? Meanwhile I'll gladly update the unpledged total in 2016USDem (looks like Bill Clinton's allegiance was flipped back and forth in the tracking list). — JFG talk 13:34, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
- @JFG: Hi there, I'm not sure why I missed Sanders. It should have been 1300-1085. I believe the reason that Green Papers adjusted their AZ total has to do with the final results of the election having been certified by the Secretary of State - if you go to the AZ Secretary of State elections website, both candidates picked up like 30,000 or so votes from the totals reported on election night so Sanders picked up two and half percentage points which changes the math... this is probably the product of provisional ballots being certified. My guess is that TGP redid their calculations based on this but did not update their table. I don't think this is an error. And, yes, Clinton should be at 474. The reason that TGP agrees with the Wikipedia list is that TGP uses the Wikipedia list as their source - they update maybe daily so it sometimes lags in the very short term.PotvinSux (talk) 14:17, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
- Looks like somebody reset the totals in the meantime. Interesting info about AZ, so we should quote the official results, double-check TGP's calculations and update the big table. Looking into it now. — JFG talk 17:45, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
- FYI: All done. — JFG talk 19:17, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
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- @Srich32977: Ah, you're right, consolidating references is not considered minor. Thank you for pointing that out.PotvinSux (talk) 08:52, 4 June 2016 (UTC)
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You really messed up the ==Mayors, county executives, and tribal leaders== section. Please fix.
I and other have been fixing alot of mistakes you are making. Could you please be more careful
@Todd Vierling: - I think this may have been your comment per the log on the page. That section got messed up again since your fix and I have been out of town for two days, so I don't think it was me. I did leave some brackets open in changing the citations to manual format in the hopes that if I do that for all 1500 of them they will start loading again. I'll try to be more careful with those.PotvinSux (talk) 01:11, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
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Clinton Endorsements article
Hi PotvinSux -- Are we going to restore the endorsements that were deleted by S. Rich? https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Hillary_Clinton_presidential_campaign_endorsements,_2016&diff=737492385&oldid=737488282 He/she doesn't appear engaged in the discussion anymore... -- MrVenaCava (talk) 03:53, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
- Everybody but the folks below have been re-added. I'm still trying to find sources for the following:
PS: The source for Timbaland is not the one you intended, I think.
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