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Thanks for the support and comments, and good luck finding some pictures! I've trimmed down the book section. How does it look now? Geuiwogbil 17:57, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

I'm going to FAC now...hope they won't rat on me too hard for only having two pictures. I read they're not so fond of Double-Plus Unfree (viz. Fair Use) images anyways. Thanks for your help! Geuiwogbil 22:39, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Hi. Do you think you have it in you to solo the minigames article to Good Article status? I think it will help us if we show that a gameplay-related article can reach GA status; it'll help us toward the goal of an all-GA, A-class, or FA index. — Deckiller 17:13, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

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Hey PresN, I've been working on the Development section of The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion pretty intensively at intermittent points over the past few weeks, and I'm wondering how it's turned out. Anything missing? Any stylistic tendencies overblown or exaggerated? I'm not sure how much I should flesh the thing out with chat about engines and graphics and such, and the Radiant AI in particular, or if it should even be put in that section. Any comments are welcome, I'd just like a push or a criticism or even something basic to go on, like: "needs more talk about sales", "uses too many quotes. TOO MANY QUOTES." or a "have you checked out <http://or.randomcrap.plebs.com/userjuice/meatyheads.html>. It has some good stuff." I'm feeling a bit nearsighted with respect to the article's status right now. Like you said on the PR, "It has some pretty serious flaws, but they do get hard to see after a while." Thanks for your time! Geuiwogbil 01:08, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Prague time? O_o Your userpage says UTC-6, not UTC+1. I like my content content content, but I guess trimming needs to come sometime, and if cuts are made, I think yours are the best to make. (I still feel bad about cutting good (read: policy and guideline compliant) content. Could I make a "Development of the Elder Scrolls series"? Or would that be too lame of a content dump? ...Maybe later, when I'm working on the TES page itself.) As regards the first PR, the plot still needs serious trimming; I've cut the guilds section, as one of those things that players of the game consider "knowledge", but which isn't really useful, interesting, or important to the subject at hand (what others call "gamecruft"), so that's done with. I've really only done substantial work on "Development". I'd rather do some extensive work on "Gameplay" (some of which could then be cut and sent to Gameplay of the Elder Scrolls series, as I did with Morrowind), "Expansions" and "Reception", and do a good cleanup of "Setting" before I move on to PR. The more work we do on this end, the more precise and helpful the comments will be on that end, after all. Thanks again for your help cutting the page down! Geuiwogbil 15:22, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Will do. Thanks for clarifying the Prague situation. Geuiwogbil 00:20, 8 June 2007 (UTC) Good work! It looks much leaner now. Geuiwogbil 01:14, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Hey again PresN. I sort of stopped working on Oblivion for a while, and came up with this:

Development history of The Elder Scrolls series. It doesn't contain much new material: I wrote up brief sections on Bethesda's development background, the development of Arena, Daggerfall, Battlespire, and Redguard (mostly sourced from Bethesda's own "10th Anniversary", but also partially from the somewhat longer article in The Escapist

, with significant coloration from an interview given by Ted Peterson to Morrowind Italia in early 2001. In addition, it basically contains the Morrowind development section without change, and the somewhat longer version of Oblivion's development section. It's still missing some commentary on Oblivion's odd little distribution mechanism (in packets of 2$ content) for the downloadable pieces of expansion pack material, and material on the development of Oblivion's expansions in general. What do you think of the article? I'm not sure anyone's written a "Development history" article on the Wiki yet, so I'm sort of at a loss as for role models or guidelines. What do you think of the early sections? In particular, what do you think of the "Background" section? I think it's important in demonstrating the ethos and odd background of the company in the late 80s, but it isn't all that relevant to TES in particular. It's something of a toss up. On a side note, I've nominated the thing for DYK, with the admittedly lame tagline "...that, prior to developing the Elder Scrolls series, Bethesda Softworks was primarily a sports game company?", which isn't all that relevant to the subject of the article, but which I found interesting anyways...

Before I speak too much more, I'll wait for your response and guidance. Thanks for your time! Geuiwogbil 05:21, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the comments and support. :) What I'd really like, as far as images go, would be some shots of the Dev team, or individual members thereof, since they're mentioned so often in the article. Probably won't have much luck there, though, as I'd run up against the fact that: (i) I can't use any of the available shots on the interweb, b/c our FU policy dislikes it. (ii) No freely available shots on the net. (iii) I'm nowhere near Maryland. I guess some generic shots from the games would work well too: This is Arena, behold its ugliness; This is Redguard, behold its lameness. I'll see what I can do as regards the lead. Thanks again! Geuiwogbil 09:19, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Good work merging the "Race" pages. I'd imagine the "Argonians" should be merged off soon too, once the UESP gets the cite.php extension and I can dump those revisions that I have specifically edited over there. Fewer pages, better content! Since you're on, I'd love some critical commentary regarding the I've been working on over at The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion recently: the ESRB rating change bit, and the downloadable content bit, which I've only been working on since this morning. The latter will probably see most of its content on the main page condensed, with the details kept on the "Development" subpage, but I'm not sure how to go about merging the former. I might even end up splitting it off... Sorry for having lost interest in "Development", but I'm going to wait for a GA review before moving forward with that one. Thanks for the pictures! Geuiwogbil 09:08, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Oh, and you should have this.

		The Original Barnstar
		For maintaining the Oblivion article free of trivialities and vandalism, for judiciously merging disparate pages into one cohesive whole, for sensibly and kindly reviewing the work of others, and for doing it all with a good sense of decorum, I hereby award you this barnstar. Keep up the good work! Geuiwogbil 09:16, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Bye, PresN! Have fun in Europe! I'll work on trimming and merging the excess content, and I'll keep on sailing Oblivion towards the far-off shores of Featured Article candidacy... Geuiwogbil 23:51, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

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Hey. I think this article will be fairly easy to get to GA status. We just need a section on the gold saucer, some trimming/sourcing from strategy guides or manuals, and filling in those reception sections. — Deckiller 22:15, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

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Enjoy your tour, but if you get time, then review L.A.M.B and express your comments as it's FAC right now. Thanks a ton!

Hey there! I was wondering if you could take a look at an maybe asses the article Meantime (video game). I've been doing minor edits all over Wikipedia for a while now, but this is the first real article I've written. I've seen this game mentioned all over the place, but real info is very hard to come by. Thanks! ~ JohnnyMrNinja 20:57, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

What that editor did redirecting everything is wrong. When editors make actions like that "they need concensus" to do it, and he never. He even removed a good article for a sake of it, which is a bad thing. He was out of order doing that and he shouldn't do it again, make sure those articles aren't touched. The sunder king 14:40, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

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It seemed reasonable to promote it, most opposition had backed down. However, while promoting it you missed a few steps in the process, such as adding it to the random topic generator. --Arctic Gnome (talk • contribs) 02:43, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

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Thanks for that. I was working on it at the same time and only noticed you'd already done the basics after I'd finished. Was that all it needed? I've added more which can do no harm, anyway. - Fayenatic (talk) 19:21, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

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Great job on Music of FFIV!

If I may offer a suggestion...Music of Final Fantasy IX seems pretty well developed for a non-GA, it could be GA with a small push :) Great work! Judgesurreal777 (talk) 18:09, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Woah, that's crazy, you already started on it :) It must be fate! Judgesurreal777 (talk) 18:13, 25 February 2008 (UTC)