User talk:Rebec190

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3. We understand that the language should not be promotional, and the articles should be summarised. Which is the basis that formed my latest edit of the [National Eye Centre on SingHealth page]. Would there be any issue with the latest text - would appreciate loads if you could proofread. Also, what happens after you proofread it? Approval of some sort?

4. If you would be able to afford the time, I have also set up this page, a direct pager on

Singapore National Eye Centre

. Since it is still a draft, could you advise how best to go about editing it?

5. Just to add that currently, I'm undergoing OTRS release for the SNEC_1 image uploaded on the page. So we are looking at that with another Wiki volunteer.

Thanks so much! --Rebec190 (talk) 04:06, 12 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, thank you for declaring your conflict of interest and your eagerness to do it the right way which makes things easier for everyone on and off Wikipedia.

1. If you are editing on your own, a general COI disclosure will do. If paid or directed by the company (SNEC) to edit, then the paid editor disclosure will be more suitable. In this case, a general COI disclosure for you, a paid editor disclosure for your colleage.

2. Yes, the policy is not well known and we tend to block on discovery. Your colleague with the user id was in fact reported by me and subsequently blocked by an administrator. He/she can request for an unblock (as long not using it as a shared account, the administrator is able to check IP address and do behavioural analysis to determine shared accounts or not) and renamed it something else which identify him/her as an individual.

3. As the page is not under protection, there will be no proofreading but automated checking (usually for vandalism) or other editors who picked up the edits will check and determine whether is it promotional. This is still highly subjective, I read it, I find it is okay and will let the edits stand (please avoid copyright violation, even if that is published by SNEC. SNEC will need to change their copyrights to acceptable use for wikipedia to copy over but usually it will be deemed too promotional also so let's not waste everybody's time on this). Other editors might still find it promotional and edit or remove it. There is no fixed timeline or actions so at best you all can monitor the page and make changes as needed.

However, as per your COI, you should not edit it directly but instead request for other editors to help edit it with an edit request template. Other editors will help to add in the requested changes in a non-promotional way.

4. I saw the draft and I like to point you to an old version here but note this old version failed notability and a decision was made to merge it to SingHealth. Based on that, do try to establish notability (awards in my opinion are one of the best way to do that). Keep improving the draft and once satisfied, submit the draft for creation. Some other volunteers will vet through and determine whether is it okay to move it to mainspace or not. To add on, currently the sources on the draft are primary sources (ie, taken from SNEC websites), you will need at least 3 secondary sources (other websites, preferably from news websites) to make it past approval.

5. Great!

To ping me, you can type {{reply|Justanothersgwikieditor}} so I will get a notification on wikipedia. --Justanothersgwikieditor (talk) 08:23, 12 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Justanothersgwikieditor:, Thanks for the tips and link to the old version! Shared the info about the username with my colleague as well. I've resubmitted the draft article based on your advice of improving notability and references. I guess now shall just wait for further advice re approval. Just realised that there is SNEC's outdated text on the SGH page. Should I edit directly?--Rebec190 (talk) 10:56, 20 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry for the late reply as I did not get the ping. I changed the text so now you should see the difference. Noted that you updated SingHealth on SNEC section directly and again I strongly suggest not to do that. As per your question, similarly, updating the SGH article for SNEC is strongly discouraged. Do put an edit request on the respective talkpages to get other uninvolved editors to edit. Thanks! --Justanothersgwikieditor (talk) 07:57, 5 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi {{reply|Justanothersgwikieditor}}, sorry maybe I didn't key in the full reply code. I changed the SingHealth on SNEC section a few moments ago before your message with the paraphrased text and references. Sorry, I'm confused - are you the user Justlettersandnumbers? So from what you are saying, do I now list the change on the talk page to get help for edits? Thanks! --Rebec190 (talk) 08:15, 5 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Actually you need to remove the tags nowiki around the template for the ping to work. To clarify, I am not the user Justlettersandnumbers, the policy is one user with one account only (with some exceptions). Yes, for SNEC related changes, please make an edit request on the talkpages of the respective articles. You have to use the request edit template. Thanks! --Justanothersgwikieditor (talk) 02:53, 6 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Justanothersgwikieditor:, thanks for your advice and patience! Got it, wrt the edit request. I've joined the queue for that. Hope you have a great week. --Rebec190 (talk) 09:05, 9 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Justanothersgwikieditor:, need your advice with this. Can I just had OTRS approval on an SNEC image:https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:SNEC_2.jpg. Am I able to: 1) Change the image on SingHealth or have to post on the talk page for someone else to add it? 2) Change the image on the SNEC draft? Just wanted to be sure before going ahead. Thank you! --Rebec190 (talk) 09:16, 10 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I assumed you meant you just had OTRS approval for the image for usage. You can update the image on any main space article, example SingHealth, directly without issue. You are free to edit on your own drafts as you like as they are considered works in incubation. --Justanothersgwikieditor (talk) 09:20, 10 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Justanothersgwikieditor:, got it and thanks for the advice! --Rebec190 (talk) 07:51, 13 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by DGG was:

This submission does not appear to be written in

peacock terms

that promote the subject.

 The comment the reviewer left was:

This has an excesively promotional tone. Please remove routine matter, and focus on the major accomplishments only The key milestones list is probably better written as prose.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.

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DGG ( talk ) 00:45, 28 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Rebec190! Having an article declined at Articles for Creation can be disappointing. If you are wondering why your article submission was declined, please post a question at the Articles for creation help desk. If you have any other questions about your editing experience, we'd love to help you at the Teahouse, a friendly space on Wikipedia where experienced editors lend a hand to help new editors like yourself! See you there! DGG ( talk ) 00:45, 28 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Rebec190, and welcome to Wikipedia. Your additions to

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It's very important that contributors understand and follow these practices, as policy requires that people who persistently do not must be blocked from editing. If you have any questions about this, you are welcome to leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 18:16, 4 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at

Draft:Singapore National Eye Centre (SNEC). Thanks! Kohlrabi Pickle (talk) 07:14, 3 December 2020 (UTC)[reply

]

Thanks, Kohlrabi Pickle! Have replied to you on the draft page. Let me know if more clarification is needed. Thanks much. --Rebec190 (talk) 08:17, 4 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hello @Andrew nyr: Thanks for the approval! I've a few questions, posing them here - or you may suggest where I can phase them.

1. The page has 3 more original pointers under 'Key Milestones' which were removed: - The full range of its subspecialty eye care services offerings began since 1995. - In 1997, Singapore Eye Research Institute (SERI), the first research institute for ophthalmology research in Asia, was officially established as the research arm of SNEC. - In 1999, Associate Professor Vivian Balakrishnan was appointed second medical director. For the info point on SERI, it links up to the info about the Centre building extension as 'SERI' is mentioned, but no context about SERI is seen because this was removed. Please advise.

2. I had created an 'Impact' section, containing 6 bullets, inclusive of research impact - some of which have global impact. In terms of notability, I think it is certainly worth its salt. There were the references included as well for checking. How do you suggest otherwise this info be presented?

3. I have also updated SNEC's info under SingHealth previously, via 'Edit Request'. Now with this main page for SNEC, could I update SingHealth with this Singapore National Eye Centre main article link? If I'm not allowed to, would you be able to assist with this?

Thanks in advance for your help! Hope you're having a good start to 2021! --Rebec190 (talk) 02:10, 5 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Rebec190, Thank you for the creation of a hospital article!

1. I removed all information that was detected as a copyright violation, if you would like to add the information back, you must use your own words and never copy-and-paste.

2. Refer to my answer for number one.

3. I just updated SingHealth, tell me if that is what you are looking for.

I love seeing new editors create articles. I would also love to extend an invitation to join Wikipedia:WikiProject Hospitals to work with like-minded editors. Happy new year! Thanks, Andrew nyrtalkcontribs 02:20, 5 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hello @Andrew nyr: it was a fun ride! Ran into roadblocks but they were resolved with the help of certain editors. Noted on the copyright issues. So do I put the suggested text additions under Talk page due to COI? Thank you fr the update - yes it is! Will have a look at the link you gave :) thanks fr sharing. Warmly --Rebec190 (talk) 09:05, 5 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Rebec190, Yes, you can put it on the talk page. Thanks again, Andrew nyrtalkcontribs 18:02, 5 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]