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Hey, I hope you're doing well and I needed some help. I just read this article

Vanishing is when you want to leave Wikipedia entirely and disassociate from it. You should not vanish when desiring to do a Wikipedia:Clean start. Doing so gives the appearance of trying to avoid scrutiny, and both Vanishing and clean starts are not meant to be used in such a way. It can be viewed as sockpuppetry. -- ferret (talk) 14:47, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

Oh, I see. I just read the article you linked above and according to it, I can just create a new account and can stop editing from this one, as long as i dont use my new account to make edits that i made from here that'd disputes, and if i currently dont have any blocks or anything on me, is that right?

talk

) 16:39, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello, is anyone there? please help with my query. thank you!

talk

) 14:18, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

Hi Himu. Honestly, I'm not all that well versed with all the "vanishing". I've always been of the mindset that, if you want to stop editing, just merely stop editing. Sergecross73 msg me 14:21, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

I'm of the view that if you feel your past editing wasn't up to snuff so you want a clean start to build a fresh reputation, very very few people are successful at this. Soon or later, someone notices little behavior tells. And instead of thinking of Clean Start, they open an SPI. Then you risk being sockpuppet blocked, though a clean start with no overlap should be easy to appeal. In short: Just keep editing and do better. Reputations improve over time. -- ferret (talk) 14:48, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

Hi. As per the guidelines for disruptive edits, I'm approaching you, an admin, as my next step in the mess that's happening in

And I've been once again reverted, seconds ago, by another account that joined "2 months ago", with no edit summary cited. I was also reverted by an ip yesterday as well. This is feeling like

WP:SOCKPUPPETRY or a bunch of Minaj fans playing. I don't not wish to restore my edit by reverting. But this is all weird to me, and I think an admin needs to look into this and assess the article's neutrality. Thanks. ℛonherry☘

16:56, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

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Another similar edit dispute to

I've given you both final warnings for edit warring and AGF/NPA violations instead. I'll mediate but you guys need to talk civilly about the content, not endless complain about one another. Sergecross73 msg me 14:13, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

Hey Serge. Not saying this needs your attention/intervention but just want to know if you have any thoughts. Over the years I've come across editors who have terrible, anti-collaborative attitudes who just seem to not even know the basics of how to behave here and it baffles me. Most have pretty low edit counts and stick to one very limited area, which usually speaks to the fact that they don't spend much time here despite being registered for so long, but anyway... Last month, I came across the article

Yeah, I've come across some editors like that, and it's not okay for them to act like that, but trips to ANI can be messy, so honestly, I have the most success just driving straight into the issues. I always start up a RFC/AFD/Merge discussion (whatever's relevant to the given situation) and/or alert the relevant Wikiproject of discussion. Usually response from those areas force editors into more constructive participation. (Or conversely, they get steam-rolled by the community.) In my experience, as soon as you make the dispute public, the community doesn't generally support or tolerate that sort of behavior. Sergecross73 msg me 17:46, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

Hi Serge,

I've looked into the claim that Tommy Tallarico often makes that he is Steven Tyler's cousin, and found out through publicly-available online information (starting with his grandfather's obituary) that he's not in any meaningful sense of the term; at least no more than any other Tallarico, Talarico or variant name. Steven Tyler's genealogy is also public, and there seems to be no connection going at least three generations back. Even farther if one digs a little deeper.

Is there any way to correct the page or add a "dubious" claim without accusations of doxing? I'd link the obit here but not sure if that itself is a faux pas. Zeneater (talk) 14:00, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

Currently in the article, it looks like the claim is only sourced to a dead link to his own website. So you could simply remove it on the grounds of being unsourced, and if someone restores it, you could cite

WP:PRIMARY as it being a extraordinary claim that should require third party verification. That would probably be enough to keep it out of the article, unless someone did provide third party verification, in which it may be worth keeping in. (Hypothetically speaking anyways, I have no idea if it's true or not.) Sergecross73 msg me

14:23, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

Thank you. I appreciate your guidance and would welcome a well-sourced proof. Zeneater (talk) 15:10, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello again. So I read

Hello. That's good to hear. You don't need me for that though. You can directly appeal to the Admin who blocked you. Sergecross73 msg me 12:13, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

I don't know about the admin. I feel like he wouldn't accept my request, but we'll see. ChallengeCick (talk) 04:49, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

Yes, it's not often that admin so quickly reverse indefinite blocks, even partial ones. Sergecross73 msg me 15:42, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

Per your reply at

To put things in perspective, I've been getting stonewalled at

I don't actually enjoy disputes over article content & stonewalling and haven't for the past few months. What I'm trying to do is slowly edit Minaj's article to get it to a higher quality- yes, I mean

Cornerstone's consistent personal attacks towards me have really steered me away from a collaborative environment with him. Even though

If that's how it's been, then I'm sorry. But I just get concerned when I come across editors where it seems like heated arguments follow them everywhere they go. I feel like half your edits are talking about how awful Ronherry or Cornerstone are, to the point where you spend more time complaining about them than constructively discussing the content dispute itself. That often only makes disputes worse, and I think that may be part of what's going on here. That's just my two cents. An observation from someone who moderates a lot of disputes.

On a separate note, it seems like I've seen you complain about being misgendered in the past. And that's totally legit. Have you thought about adding a (they/them) type note on your signature? I believe everyone should be identified as they prefer. But I don't think most people default to the singular they/them, and not everyone checks user pages before addressing someone. So something in your signature may help you with that. Sergecross73 msg me 20:31, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

@Sergecross73: Trust me, having to deal with Ronherry or Cornerstone is something that I do not like at all, to the point where it's had an impact on me mentally. I really WOULD like to focus on the content, but again my stuff constantly gets reverted, to the point where for almost the entire month of November 2021 all of Cornerstonepicker's edits on Nicki Minaj were reverting my edits. I wasn't even 3RRing, I waited seven days to make the change on the talk page, and then suddenly Cornerstonepicker would come out of nowhere and revert it. In fact that's why I've tried to edit other articles like Katy Perry so that I know that it's an environment where I won't be stonewalled, or get personal attacks thrown at me.

I'm also trying to shake the notion that I'm only here to edit Nicki, as honestly after I get her article to

WP:FA

I would prefer to rest from editing the article for a long time. The thing that's irritating me is I've gotten so much heat for being transparent about being a fan of Minaj, I feel like if I wasn't transparent about it, I'd get less heat. I've had to deal with these constant bad faith assumptions for months- granted, some of them were warranted as at the time I was being stubborn and didn't know too much about the proper Wikipedia policies, but it's still had a mental effect on me, sometimes I feel like I'm being bullied.

I've tried to do so much productive things outside of Nicki Minaj's article: like I added an entire new section to Katy, I've been finding new images and revamping articles such as

WP:FA

.

On that seperate note, I'll think about adding my pronouns to my sig. Seems like a good idea, I usually don't mess with my sig too much because sometimes I screw it up.

talk to me

22:43, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Hi Serge. The user PepeBonus has removed a maintenance template I placed on Noeasy something like three times now. It looks like PepeBonus removed the template from the article once they thought I'd stopped paying attention, because I asked them not to directly last year. If they thought they fixed the problem, they're very clearly wrong, because they have just introduced more awkward turns of phrase and nonsensical sentences I don't have the time to sift through myself (and as I said, they'll just add more later). The article (and Oddinary, which they have just made, among other pages they have created I have not tagged) are long, overwritten like most pop music articles and tedious even to read. Can you maybe give them a warning on top of mine? They're obviously not listening to me. Another editor has asked them to leave edit summaries several times on their talk page to no avail nor response. Thanks. Ss112 01:15, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

I can give him a warning, but I'd be able to do more down the line, if need be, if you had a discussion on the respective article talk pages about the shortcomings that are leading to the tags. Then it's more demonstrate-able that their not addressing concerns and actibg without consensus. Sergecross73 msg me 16:57, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Well, I did, but I don't think anybody's going to see it besides perhaps PepeBonus themselves. Somebody with more patience than I, like a member of a copyediting guild, needs to go through it. Ss112 05:23, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Yeah, I know, but with some, it's really more about being able to show the documentation that you at least tried. Sergecross73 msg me 13:40, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

I’m as sick of this conflict as you guys are, but I have another user being disruptive and exclusively undoing my edits without reasoning other than “fakery”, which is a phrase used by some of the socks Morce used. The user is here Bayleying the Wrestling. They’ve only been here for a little over a week and are being passive aggressive as well, which only adds onto my suspicions. Anyways, thanks for the support. Here’s the link for the user

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Bayleying_the_wrestling

With best regards, Aardwolf68 (talk) 19:07, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

It is suspicious, but I'm not sure I can take any action with such minimal evidence. Sergecross73 msg me 15:45, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

That’s totally fair… I’m assuming you can’t CheckUser them without a valid reasoning, then? Aardwolf68 (talk) 18:45, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

Only a select few admin have Check User rights. (And I'm not one of them.) But the rest of what you said is correct. Sergecross73 msg me 17:00, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

I gotcha, hopefully this won’t be a bigger issue than it already was. Aardwolf68 (talk) 22:41, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Excuse me is [[Gamefaqs]] accepted for submission? If not, is there any good sites I can use to document staff credits? Tkgood (talk) 05:01, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

Gamefaqs is unreliable as it is

WP:VG/RS for a vetted list of sources. -- ferret (talk

) 12:10, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

Yes, ferret is exactly right. And while you're free to blank your own talk page, you really ought to read my messages more clearly before you delete them. I already told you about

WP:VG/S, which is already very clear about not using Gamefaqs. Sergecross73 msg me

12:54, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

Using 111.83.5.163, geolocating to Taiwan. Edited several hours after you on Where Did You Go? and added a peak to Zombified, which he made regular updates to. I can't fathom how Tim cannot help himself. Ss112 14:40, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

• Blocked, protected those pages, left a note on his talk page. Sergecross73 msg me 17:17, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

  Back updating another country music chart peak using an IP on the same range: 111.83.24.244. Ss112 01:33, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

  Tim won't give up...it appears right after his block, he registered as Nogi4646. Thinks he's slick...named himself after Nogizaka46, which Tim edited now and again. Updating charts on Zombified (which you protected), adding year-end charts (which was Tim's entire MO) to various articles; correcting incoming links to Where Did You Go?...couldn't be more obvious. He's really not trying to hide who he is. Yes Tim, it must just be complete coincidence you named yourself after a girl group you like and had edited before, and then proceeded to only edit music articles adding charts and making chart updates. How stupid do you think people are? Stop wasting our time. Ss112 06:52, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

  @Ss112: See here lol — Smuckola(talk) 09:22, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

  @Ss112: Surely you are honored, they named a sock after you. --Muhandes (talk) 10:21, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

  @Smuckola: Thanks for doing that. Totally skipped my mind to ask a CU to check for sleepers. Unfortunately, I'm sure there'll be more to come. @Muhandes: Kind of looks like he just ran out of ideas. Ss112 10:24, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

If you all can believe it... Tim's already back using 223.138.234.57. Half an hour after Girth Summit reverted him on Frozen (Madonna song), he returned to update it and a few country music articles, his old stomping ground. This persistent little pest is starting to royally piss me off. I know what he thinks, though: If he does it enough, I'll just give up and let him have his way. I don't care if he's adding chart positions or fixing vandalism, it's being reverted on sight. (It appears he used the IP range a week ago to edit Won't Stand Down here, so it's not his first time on it.) User:Ferret, I know you probably haven't been paying attention to this user's annoying persistence, but is this getting near range block territory? Ss112 11:58, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

Wow, looks like I missed a lot while sleeping last night. Still working on catching up, but I fully support it if ferret can manage a range block. If not, I have an infinite tolerance for playing whack-a-mole, and will gladly continue to block and protect pages for as long as it takes. Sergecross73 msg me 12:58, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

He's thus far used the ranges 111.82.203.231/16, 111.83.5.163/16, and 223.138.234.57/16 (aside from his registered accounts). Ferret would know more about how ranges work than I would but that's the extent that I know of. Ss112 13:43, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

Sorry about the source requirement that slipped my mind on the List of Sonic the Hedgehog characters page. I had to add Ray the Flying Squirrel so that his redirect can go somewhere. Perhaps a sourced link that is on the video game page that he appeared in might be added since it also mentioned him there. Right? --Rtkat3 (talk) 01:58, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

Now that Ray has been in both

Sonic Mania Plus, he finally meets the "2 game" inclusion criteria, but you still need to source all of the content you add to Wikipedia articles. Sergecross73 msg me

15:34, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

Would that include the reference link that I told you about yesterday? I just want to know in the event I plan attempt #2 with it. As I also mentioned, we have to send his redirect somewhere that can talk about him. Rtkat3 (talk) 18:18, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

I'm not sure I 100% follow what you're proposing, but my only objection before was that it introduced unsourced content to the article. Sergecross73 msg me 15:28, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

Hey Serge. Giubbotto non ortodosso, who I see has edited your talk page quite recently about that Aardwolf68 editor, has come to my talk page trying to call me a "mosquito" (ironic when some might say that's exactly what he acts like, buzzing around Wikipedia for years) for reverting Tim96144's edits. I find it strange he said nothing about you as the blocking admin, but it is what it is. Quite clearly Giubbotto non ortodosso, considering he found Binksternet making that post, and he edits Chris Brown topics. Special:Contributions/109.52.26.184/16 worth a block? I see @Binksternet: has already asked for this range block elsewhere too. Ss112 12:41, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

I blocked and reverted one of the IP. Let me know if you want your talk page temporarily protected or something. Yeah, I think Binksternet had success with getting a different range block, so if you don't have any luck with ferret, you could try the same way Binksternet did. (Someday, I'll try to learn range blocks and try to get CU access. But my real life is so busy that I can't commit time to that stuff for the time being. Sergecross73 msg me 14:08, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

I'm not familiar with this sock before I do anything. Thoughts, Binksternet? -- ferret (talk) 14:23, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

@Widr: Looks like you blocked 109.52.240.0/21 just recently. Looks like /16 might be needed, thoughts? -- ferret (talk) 14:27, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

Both Giub and Tim could use a range block, in my opinion. Both sock and IP hop a lot. (Tim's IPs are listed 2 sections above). Sergecross73 msg me 14:37, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

Ferret, the edit history of the /16 in question appears to be mostly action by the puppetmaster, with few good-faith editors as collateral damage. I'd block the /16 in a heartbeat. Binksternet (talk) 15:22, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

@Ferret: Just a note Giubbotto is still editing Chris Brown topics within the /16 range (Special:Contributions/109.52.26.184/16). Ss112 09:28, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

Blocked. -- ferret (talk) 11:54, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

• Hey Serge, Tim is back using Torobu1. Not trying to hide who he is again. Edited Nogizaka46 here, which he named his first registered sock under (User:Nogi4646), and reverting my reverts of Nogi4646's edits here. Ss112 00:54, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

  Blocked. Sergecross73 msg me 01:17, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

  Reblocked as CU. Two sleepers blocked. -- ferret (talk) 01:53, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

You've been added to a list of deletionist users. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.70.25.101 (talk) 20:24, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

I have? There's a list? Did you add me or someone else? Sergecross73 msg me 20:35, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

Can I be on it too? -- ferret (talk) 20:40, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

Can I be on it three? lmao ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) orangefeliscatus (talk) 14:12, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for dealing with Changing00000. I don't think there's any misunderstanding. A number of new accounts have been promoting that website recently, including Nindia24 and (of course) The Vesign. Certes (talk) 18:53, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

Nindia24 and The Vesign are confirmed to each other, as information. Changing00000 is possible, similar geolocate, but not a perfect match. There's a ton of assorted promo editing occurring from that range. -- ferret (talk) 19:14, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

No problem, and thanks for the heads up. I'll keep a lookout for more too. Sergecross73 msg me 19:20, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

Hey, Sergecross73. Got my apology & reasons for my Mario Kart 8 Deluxe section edits? Just want to make sure.

Look. I stopped by and I wanted to apologize for all the trouble I never meant to cause. I never meant to be a pest when I kept editing the Mario Kart 8 Deluxe section to explain that the Mario Kart 8 Deluxe DLC has more than one issue. I only wanted to share additional info & issues that I felt Mario Kart fans should at least be aware of. Needless to say, I've made an apology message to let you know that I'm sorry, but also want to explain my reasons to why I added the information that I made.

Just in case you didn't receive it yet, here's what my apologies & reasons say.

My apology reads, and I quote...

"Please forgive me, Sergecross73, Cyberlink420, & Dissident93. I am so very sorry. It was never my intention to engage in an edit war.

But at least please try to hear me out.

In my opinion, talking only about one issue about the Mario Kart 8 Deluxe DLC is NOT enough.

In addition to people's gripes with the graphical differences of the tracks between the DLC & the Base game, other players & fans of the Mario Kart have raised other issues, like the DLC tracks' lack of Anti-Gravity Mechanics, & especially the DLC's lack of other content like characters, vehicles, wheels, gliders, outfits / skins (aka the "characters alts from Tour"), power-ups, & so on.

Besides GameRant & Essentially Sports, the ONLY 2 internet sources who've touched about the latter topic in regards of lack of other contet such as characters, vehicles, & more, many people on Platforms such as Twitter & YouTube have either at least mentioned said issue, or even criticized the issue. Even big name YouTubers like GameXplain, NintendoLife, & Arlo have mentioned or even wished that said content would be implemented to Mario Kart 8 Deluxe to go along with the tracks.

My reasons for adding the information I've been trying to add in the Mario Kart 8 Deluxe section of the Mario Kart 8 Wikipedia page is because NOT everyone focuses on only one issue that the Mario Kart 8 Deluxe DLC has. You can't always say that the graphical differences is the ONLY issue that the DLC, you need to discuss OTHER issues, too.

And everytime I saw that information removed, I felt that you were censoring information that Mario Kart fans could at least be aware of.

As much as I want to share legitimate sources that discuss the DLC's issue of Lack of characters, vehicles, & other content, the PROBLEM is that other than GameRant & Essentially sports, big name news sources, as far as I know of, DON'T DO THAT.

The only people I know who discuss on or even at least mention such an issue are...

-GameRant

-Essentially Sports

-YouTubers, including big names like GameXplain, NintendoLife, & Arlo

-Twitter Users

At least consider that you can't always focus on only one issue that fans have with the DLC. You have to consider OTHER issues, too.

Besides, if YouTube Videos & Twitter Tweets are allowed as references so long as they're legitimate, like with the Green Eggs & Ham (TV Series) Wikipedia page having the Trailer on YouTube & the Announcement Date on a Netflix Twitter account as references, why not videos made by big names like GameXplain & NintendoLife?

But all things considered, if you really don't want to me to edit the Mario Kart 8 page anymore, then fine, I'll knock it off.

Just at least PLEASE consider the OTHER issues that the Mario Kart 8 Deluxe DLC has, and not only one issue it has. Okay?

Sincerely & with humblest apologies,

Trekker-J1"

Hope my apology has reached you, and tell Cyberlink420 & Dissident93 that I'm sorry. I only wanted to share information to help Mario Kart fans be aware of, & not cause any trouble at all.

And with Mario Kart's 30th Anniversary coming this August, I wouldn't be surprised if Nintendo added more characters, vehicles, wheels, gliders, outfit / skins (characters alts from Tour), power-ups (maybe), & other content to Mario Kart 8 Deluxe.

Besides, in my honest opinion, if tracks from Mario Kart Tour are coming over to Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, then surely, Nintendo should do the same with Tour's characters, vehicles, wheels, gliders, outfit / skins (characters alts from Tour), power-ups (maybe), & other content.

Not to mention that one day, Mario Kart Tour will shut down, just like Dr. Mario World did, so it'd be wise to preserve Tour's content in Mario Kart 8 Deluxe.

But regardless, please... Forgive me for all the trouble that I never meant to cause. I am truly sorry.

Thank you very much, have a nice day, & stay healthy & safe.

Trekker-J1 (talk) 04:25, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

I hear you, you feel strongly about Mario Kart DLC. But your efforts are a bit misguided. It's very clear your goal is to send a message to Nintendo. An encyclopedia (Wikipedia) is not the right medium for what you're trying to accomplish here. Try starting a social media campaign on Twitter or talk to a YouTuber or something - there's places to do this better and more appropriately. Sergecross73 msg me 05:04, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

Hey there, Sergecross73.

Thanks for being understanding after reading my apology message. Again, I'm sorry for all the trouble I never meant to cause. All I wanted is to spread word on an issues that fans do have in hopes that others can be aware of. But as you've said, other than GameRant, Essentially Sports, & any users in all social media platforms, including big names like GameXplain & NintendoLife, there aren't any news sources who cover such an issue; and the sources I've shared are not reliable at all.

In all fairness, I do appreciate you suggesting ideas on how to spread the word on the DLC's lack of additional characters, vehicles, wheels, gliders, outfits, power-ups, & so on, and how they could be implemented into Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, ESPECIALLY when Mario Kart 8 Deluxe's 5th Anniversary is this April, & most of all: when the Mario Kart series' 30th Anniversary is this August.

Plus, the way I see it, if tracks from Mario Kart Tour are going over to Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, then surely, Nintendo should do the same with Tour's characters like Pauline, vehicles like the Wild Wing from Mario Kart Wii, power ups like the Mega Mushroom, & other content like wheels, gliders, outfits, & more; and the same goes for other content from other Mario Karts / other Mario games, like characters like Petey Pirahna (who's not in Tour yet).

Besides, Mario Kart Tour may not be shutting down anytime soon at this time, but it eventually will happen, just like with what happened to Dr. Mario World. So the wisest thing to do when that time is about to come is to preserve most of or all of Mario Kart Tour's content, especially characters, vehicles, wheels, gliders, outfits, & power-ups, into Mario Kart 8 Deluxe.

Not to mention that the Mario Kart Hot Wheels Packs, which focus heavily on Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, has characters, vehicles, & wheels that are not yet implemented into in Mario Kart 8 Deluxe. These include Diddy Kong, who is currently a racer in Tour, the Flame Flyer from Mario Kart Wii, the Wild Wing from Mario Kart Wii, & the Birthday Girl from Mario Kart 7.

Sadly, the most I did to talk about this topic & spread the word on it are...

- Twitter Comments

- YouTube Comments

- A Petition

- Discussing the issue / topic to Nintendo Support

- And so on.

Most of all, some people agree with me, while others do not. And sometimes, I feel that my desire to raise the topic & spread the word on it is not enough, resulting in Nintendo to not be aware of the issues & not do anything to make new additions to Mario Kart 8, such as more characters (Ex: Pauline, Diddy Kong, Kamek, etc.), vehicles (Ex: Wild Wing, Flame Flyer, etc.), wheels (Ex: Classic / Pipe Frame, Rainbow, Racing / B-Dasher Mk. II, Sporty / Wild Wing, etc.), gliders (Ex: Record Setter, etc.), power ups (Ex: Mega Mushroom, etc.), features (Ex: outfits for the characters, vehicle paints, Mirrored 200cc class, New Grand Prix & Versus modes to use new / more power-ups, etc.), & so on.

That's why I keep saying that we & many people need to spread the word on this topic / issue, especially to Nintendo themselves AND especially since, aside from the 2.5 & upcoming 3 year anniversaries in Mario Kart Tour, we have huge 2 Mario Kart anniversaries coming soon: Mario Kart 8 Deluxe's 5th Anniversary in April 28th of 2022, & especially the Mario Kart series' 30th Anniversary in August 27th of 2022.

All in all, Sergecross73, I do appreciate you trying to help me. And if there's any way you or anyone else can do to help me spread the word on such a topic, especially to Nintendo, that would make me very happy indeed. Otherwise, if you can't, that's fine, too, but I would appreciate those helping me.

Anyway, you have a nice day, and in Mario Kart terms, keep on racing. Trekker-J1 (talk) 20:10, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

The situation with it is explained under the release info. It was developed by Sonic Team in Japan and released there first, and then was later patched by Sonic Team USA, who formed after the game originally came out, during localization, because the original release in Japan had a bunch of glitches. Therefore, it should be excluded from Video Games Developed in the United States and not be considered a Sonic Team USA game, as it was already developed and released by Sonic Team in Japan before Sonic Team USA were a thing, and they only fixed up the game during their localization, the game had already finished development and released in Japan. The development info also explains that Sonic Team in Japan were the ones who specifically developed the game.Vesperius (talk) 13:01, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

Ah, I think I was thinking of Sonic Adventure 2. People do carelessly add categories a lot, so it could have been an error. Alright, I won't oppose it. Sergecross73 msg me 14:45, 24 March 2022 (UTC)