User talk:Shshshsh/Archive 4

Can you help to finish the cleanup on the

Well yes but they shouldn't be regarded as not important. All that needs doing is adding the films to the tables. I've just added 1960 to

As I said it is an uncertain one we'll see what happens. If it gets tagged by the image patrollers within a few days then I can't really object if they are adament it isn't compatible. But for sure the image unlike hundreds of others I've looked at didn't have the official copywright label by it. It does make a huge difference to the quality but we'll have to wait and see. It buys time anyway until the commons eventually will lease one with completely clear status. I see you had a run in with Pa. These things happen don't they. I've just spent the last few days in a run in with Giro and another editor who tried to delete my efforts to add all of the

A user called Yamla has tagged it already. You know him? I suspect he has Zinta on his watchlist

From my own personal experiences both seem good editors I know Pa from a while back he's British Indian I think but with so many people it is often difficult for everyone to completely agree on everything!! Regards - hey have you tried your preferences setting with "cologne blue" and your quick bar fixed left? I've had it like this for about 5 months and it makes the site look completely different -you should try it

I didn't like it at first - but I think the articles look much classier like this. It became a different site to me. I'm not a fan really of the wiki plain idea of graphics. I guess I'm just very artistic and want something grander and more richer looking. I even use a different main page

One things for sure, plain graphics or not though you'd be amazed how much this site has developed in 18 months. I joined about March 2006 and I've seen it literally double in size and quadruple in the number of pages and edits. Theres so much still missing and that needs work but in my view its starting to develop overall to the next level I think. There is entire subjects covered on here that I never knew about or evne existed in abundance . If it continues to develop like it can only attract more people are grow even quicker. Its a genius idea I think. I sometimes smile at articles I've seen as one line stubs back last year and are now 40 kb FA candidates of the highest quality. I wish we got paid though!!!

I put the tag there myself as it is disputable. ~I hope ther eis a way to contact that site and request permission officially for it .

Good news . I've contacted Aryan from the Bollywood site to request permission. I await an email from him. If he agrees I will ask him to contact wikipedia and allow use of the image officially if possible. I'm off to bed to anyway. Good night

Fantastic news I hope you are listening. I've contacted the site to request use of the image and they have not only allowed use of this image but images of all actors and directors that appear on the site!!! This would mean not only one would be allowed but several for Miss Zinta and for practically all our living popular actors and directors such as Aishwarya Rai etc etc. I am told by one of their top site personel that their images are exclusive to the site and taken by their own photographers in Mumbai and hence to not need to be protected by copywright,, and would be delighted to contribute to wikipedia with their images as long as they are given credit for them. Here is my email I received. I'm going to look for a top image admin who devendra from the site can contact formally or email to show that it is genuine to create a license from the site and that I am not lying. I've replied to them and told them how extremely grateful Indian cinema would be for use of living actors and directors but I have told them due to the fussy nature of image regulators on the site we need a formal clarification. Here is the email I recieved:

Hi James

Thank you for writing to Bollywoodblog.com

Our photographers are on the ground in Mumbai and all pictures to Bollywoodblog are exclusive to Bollywoodblog.

We would be delighted to assist you with any pictures of Indian TV actors or film stars you require for Wikipedia. If you let me know what you require specifically we can give you a release.

In return we would appreciate a link back either in the picture attribution or in external links to the actor profile pages on Bollywoodblog which are useful for wikipedia readers

Now the reason I am so happy about this is because I have received an email almost immediately that they would be delighted to providing they are attributed. This even include dimages of film premieres exclusive images that we would never dream of getting that can go in film articles also!!! Now there will be many users probably Yamla included who will think I am lying -well you know what people are like. As a result I'm going to find a top image admin or somebody from the commons that the site can email outsid eof wikipedia personally to authenticate it. I have drawn up a new licensing template

What is going to be easier I think is to give the Bollywoodblog Devendra's email address to Yamla and admin in the commons and to completely confirm the statement. If they follow it up and receive confirmation then it should clear with the commons. I don't think we should abuse the site in terms of uploading every image possible but certainly should explore what it has to offer and use what is of clear benefit and needed in our articles. As for admin myself it has as you know been suggested many times but I am far too humane for this !! I am too hot headed if people get in my way and mess with my work which hands down I will not tolerate. I prefer to contribute encyclopedically rather than bare official credentials and order others!!! I agree it certainly has its advantages though.

She has agreed to lease the images under the Creative COmmons 2.0 but the only thing that needs sorting is the commercial license. At present they are now labelled as free to distribute but as non commercial which would mean that the commons wouldn't accept them. I'm gonna see what I can do with that and whether we can find an agreement to sidestep this and make an agremeent solely between the site and wikipedia

Right Devendra has agreed to license the images to wikipedia only, under the Creative Commons 2.0. However she doesn't want the images used outside of wikipedia which means they wouldn't be allowed to be uploaded into the commons, but wikipedia only for use in enyclopedic articles. She would like the site to make an official licensing agreement with wikipedia. She said she wouldn't be back in the office until Monday but I'm now gonna find an image admin who can contact her and reach an exclusive agreement. The only thing is several of their images have a light bollwoodblog site marking on them. This doesn't really affect the photos but some may not be completely perfect. It is a breakthrough though

The only thing that is a gonna by a problem I think is that all images on wikipedia whether they are exclusive to the site or not have to be under a license where the conditions are completely free to distribute and modify the work with the article in accordance with wikipedia's GFDL policy which allows all its articles to be used commercially. Now the Bollywood site only wants them to be used on wikipedia. This I fear may conflict with wikipedia's licensing agreements. We'll' have to wait but I have a bad feeling this may be the only obstacle. I have my fingers crossed

I've done some looking into the licenses al the different variations and have come up with a template idea based on the Creative Commons 1.0 where attrubution is given and for distrubtion specific terms of use must be given. hopefully it will be approved by the Bollywood site on Monday. I've asked an image guy who has now seen the email outside of wikipedia and is chasing it up

I have better things to do then stalk you, so don't make yourself sound important. In any case you left my books a long time ago, so I really don't care if you write to me or not because I definently won't be conversing with you. As for my message to the user, I was merely correcting his mistake with my name and gender, and what I write to him is none of your buisiness. Also I do not need to justify myself to you. So I suggest you read

Ah. I just read some of the Zinta article. Content and strucutre is good but... Here's some pointers: The main problem will be the controversy section. For me there is too much info that may be seen as "gossip" rather than encyclopedic info. Some of the statements are quite strong and potentially libellous even if actually true. This would be the first thing the GA people would look at i think. Parts of the article are written like a magazine, words like possibly shouldn't really appear in an encyclopedia article as it should be based on pure fact. Also I feel some of the sentences need filling out and to flow.

What I'd suggest you do is contact the league of copy editors and ask them to help you polish it off to prepare it for a GA. Does this help you and I think your're going good

Overall it is an excellent article and with a bit of polish should be up there. You may want to pay attention to the Alleged Affair section in particular whihc I fele may need additional references to support some strong claims. Hey she seems like a woman who kicks ass!!!! Its great she is a strong person to stick up for herself. Good luck editing you're doing very well, the above flaws or only very minor. You're not going to hear much from me for a few days as I am busy with the Tibetan stuff and stuff in the real world. All the best

Monday (tomorrow) my dear friend. That's when she returns to her office in Mumbai. Hey sorry to brag a bit last night but I felt chuffed that I had completed all the missing Tibetan places which I have aimed for many months to achieve. Fingers crossed on images. Adios

Thats cool. One thing I've just edited

Thats awesome great job as usual thanks!!!! And you added the full one too!!! KUTGW! I'm off to watch

Actually it ain't Hollywood!!. Man you really need to see these films. Look this is coming from me who has seen thousands of films. They are to best

I'm so relieved!!!

I have long had a soft spot for

Looks like I'm stuck on here this evening. I shut the computer down and as soon as I opened the door a waft of intense smoke drafted in. Some stupid guy down the street is burning his trees and now the whole house and street is filled with horrid wood smoke. You know the thick stuff that gives you a serious headache. Some people just have no thought for others. My house is gonna stink for days. Luckily this room blocks out most of it

Its actually the study on the middle floor of my house I have the computer in at the front. Upstairs is my bedroom that covers the area of the entire house and overlook the back. Have a look at the image on

To be honest in thinking about it where I live is very good- it has all what you'd want for as home. In a quiet countryside surroundings yet only a mile or two from civilization and only 8 miles or so from

A OK I think I'm just waiting for confirmation from Tim but they are agreeing to license them under 3.0. However most of the images have a slight marking on . PLease see

Success!! We now have a database for images on all actors and directors and film premieres exclusive deal oh yeah which can be uploaded freely under the licensing. Here is the official clearance as I feel you as part of this deserve to know. SPECTRE you see was able to obtain an agreement through extortion to achive world domination and expand my empire:

Now I suggest you draw up a list of actors/ directors which are missing a main image.

The more I've been searchign the site the more I've seen how many thousands of images there are. This is the best news isn't it -its like having our own cameramen!!

The images on that site are amazing. Check out the license on Preity Zinta image - there is now official confirmation at the bottom of the template which should silence the image taggers. I am about to upload an image of the Shetty family tell me what you think in a minute . I also just added a recent one of Dharmendra

PLease click the link to see the agreement:

Well I'm sure all images can be modified to remove the light logo

The only thing is if you are strongly against the light marking then the number of images we can use will be very restrictive . There are a number of images like Zinta on the site without but most have the marking.

Yes I know of course images with the logo are going to look this way -I can see your concern for the encyclopedia completely. I hope we can find a way to modify the images to phase it out. We are permitted to do this as long as the source is still stated in the image page. This can be done quite easily digitally but I haven't the program to do this

Hey not at all. But I feel the site has the light logo on them to try to prevent people from profiting from their images. We may have to use the images until we can get a completely clear better freely licensed image. The only alternative is to search the site for clear images of which there are many but as I said the majority have marking

Well I'm not going to be uploading many this is up to you nd the others to do . I have uploaded one or two with the logo on so far, but if I upload anymore I'll try to find clear images .

Hola. I'm getting WiseKwai to look into whether the watermarks like on Aiswarya can be erased or not. They are quite faint so I'm sure with paint art to you be coloured up to be completely clean. Pa is searching for some clear images now and has uploaded a few already

Lovely you found one!!! -there must be tons of images

Ah no - see

Have a go at uploading some more Zinta images maybe one or two I wouldn't have five in the article however gorgeous she is!!! Adios and that guy stopped burning his trees down about 11 pm last night - there is now a gaping charred hole on the left side!

Its great to know though isn't it we have 5 possible images to add. This is the kind of freedom I was after - the wikipedia policy onimages is pretty tight! Good luck expanding!

I've started a licensing file page at

PLease note

I know were not on good terms right now but I thought you'd like to know this. I have talked to

There is no wiki law against Controversy in articles at all - often on more controverisal celebrities there will be much information related to their antics which is in fact encyclopedic. However as I said before you need to be particularly careful with this section as it is venturing into difficult ground as you need to be 100% correct with anything and ensure that you give a neautral view - e.g not on the side of Preity Zinta but an even coverage of it. I would try to cut back on too many paragraphs but if you feel the info is important add it but use reliable refrences and try to not make it sound like the Bollywood blog!!!! Does this help amigo?

Exactly. Its probably because there is too much controversy, or it is biased or disparaging towards him or whatever and not neutral. For me this is the most difficult part about writing a biographical article -comments can't be libellous they need to based on pure fact and attempt to address a subject completely neutrally not taking the side of either. For me it is best to try to keep this section down to a miniumum and avoid too many quotations etc. Hey I've nearly uploaded every image on the list at present - its good to see images of more beautiful Indian models and actresses !!

First of all you really need to address the Bharat Shah Case section. Note how it is written in a way that seems to be on Preity's side against other actors in the industry - it says about her courage "when other actors changed their statements etc" . This firstly need addressing. If the comment about "other actors" is mentioned it needs to clarify this and be based on precise fact mentioning these people with references but I should avoid this

E.g the sentence "Zinta was the only witness not to have turned hostile" is potential libellous against the other people involved as it is assuming criminality on the behaviour of the other people. Be careful

Ha I've just noticed how much Salman Khan looks like a younger version of

Yes I checked out the references this is fine but I removed another sentence etc which I thought perhaps emphasised what she did a bit too much. If I have time in the next week I'll give it a full read and copy edit - it looks in pretty good order though. Yes usually that Dev Alahan wears an earing like Salman and often looks a bit younger than this picture of him - if you saw him ususually he does look very much like him -or perhaps his older brother or something!!! Jimmi the actor who played that soap character looks like a Bollywood actor anyway.

Good idea I would say something along the lines of "Zinta is known for her outspoken views and public openness which have occasionally been surrounded in controversy". I think its time you uploaded several more images of her particularly of her with her boyfriend in that section

I saw a bit of that video thanks -she is so hot!!! She is exactly the kind of woman I'd go for. I have to say she looks part Italian or Greek/Latino which are my ideal women.

Ha LOL LOLO LOL. -this is good but make sure people don't get the wrong idea!! We wouldn't want our readers thinking she is a

Yes indeed very funny. I would like to see that image of her with her boyfriend uploaded. I just got an anonymous request to start the article

Wow you;re in Aussieland? This does clear some things up - i must admit in thinking you were in India often the times when you have appeared to be on the Internet when it has been mid evening here in the UK would make it like 4 in the night in India with a 7 hour or so time difference. i did wonder how you were on here in the middle of the night!!! One of those images was blurry I selected the best one thanks

There are a lot of Indian australians I know. User:Riana on here is also. My great uncle

Yep this starting to look good.

Good news. I've asked several respected users I know who helped me get

Well its gonna need a lot of editing by others including yourself to attain the highest standard but theres no reason why it can't eventually. It's great you dedicate much editing time to that article but remember there are zillions of other pages which require more serious attention and are stubs!!! Happy editing!

I would really appreciate your view on Category:Western film actors and Category:Spaghetti Western actors up for deletion. I know you don't often comment in afds but PLease see

Thanks I know the genre is abit out of your usual expertise but I just happened to come across this in creating the article

Oh I know. My personal favourites are of course

I tell you what I'm getting damn tired of various things being up for deletion. Yesterday it was the western film categories which five or six people have now agreed to keep strongly today it is

More good news. One of those people I told you about has read the article and like me think it is actually beyond a GA already and almost ready for FA now we made those adjustments. I'd propose it for a GA asap. Then with some copy editing I see a potential FA. With Abbas Kiarostami it went from a start-B class to FA in two weeks.!! Keep up the good work on it . Let me know when you post it for GA review. Adios

Good luck hermano

I have some major requests for you over the next few days/ weeks when you aren't preparing Preity:

• Chaahat - Ek Nasha
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Good work. Oh man I've been working on

I can't see it on the actual page but it could sound like this.

"She is well known in the Indian media for her straightforwardness and honesty expressing her outspoken views and forthright opinions in public, be it about her on-screen or off-screen life or raising a voice against any social injustice, which occasionally has been surrounded by controversy." Reference this but in the intro the first and last parts are repeated. You need to rmeove the last paragraph from the intro and intergrate this in with the first sentence .

I've done some rewording - it is important to make it flow. It is important to provide a neutral view even if she has had terrific success - the mention of her controversy should counteract any positive comments on her in the intro. I haven't time to continue copy editing now - maybe during the week

Not necessarily - but if you want to repeat it twice you are free to do so

Well it makes the statement and explains it immediately. I think the intro is very good now that you've also made those slight corrections.

As long as you cite the last sentences about the controversy believe me it is a very good article and intro

Miss Zinta is very successful but has she had any films which weren't a commercial or critical success? If so mention them to try to make it more neutral. If you count the number of times "commerical and critical success" are used now you'll see what I mean.

I think you should discuss her awards more - rather than saying numerous others. Cleverly if we demonstrate some of the most prominent awards she has won this indicates she is hugely successul by fact without repeating that she is a commercial and critical success. Good?

What? LOL!!!! Mate to be honest I'd forgotten about Zinta entirely!!! for the present I was just seeing about getting a stunning image of Mallika cropped with Wise Kwai. Now what could you have possibly have done to make me in the slightest bit offended or angry with you? Now have you kicked my cat Mr Bigglesworth or something and not told me? I'm here to have fun and build something monumental on a site which attempts to dominate the world in every possible subject. TV these days is crap over here, this is far better and most things are here at your fingertips.

They were only suggestions nothing compulsory!! just some pointers to help give you a much deserved GA. I think moving onto something else would be a great idea!!

Voila. See

Not according to

I was going to request

Thankyou for your efforts. Yes I was trying to find a way to balance out the intro as I was finishing last night -2007 stuff probably wasn't the best solution. However I added some extra references to support your claims. I now think most things are satisfactory. You should post it for a GA today.

Go for it. As a peer review it is likely anybody reviewing will give you some further pointers to correct and you can tick these off when completed. I would do it asap. Adios

Thanks -I have altered the header to silver though. Good work. I've just been chilling to some Hawaiian music on youtube by

Her and Preity are the type of women I go for. Exotic and Latino looking with long dark hair but are strong women which many other women would probably be intimidated by. Tia is quite like Preity with her strong will. Pretty hot stuff huh

Yeah she was in

I think it could reach FA within a few weeks -you edit it so much!!! The only thing I can see now is perhaps too many quotations.

Umm. Perhaps. There are a lot. Some of the longer quotations particularly in the controversy section are quite subjective for an encyclopedia article. This might be an issue other editors might highlight but I see very few flaws in the overall article. Maybe cut down on some quotations -particularly those that are several sentences.

Yes perhaps one or two of the longer ones. I personally think the majority are very useful in that they tell it exactly how it is. I don't think you have to worry much at all about it - I think its an A-class article and with some work over the next few weeks should get to FA evnetually. It would be interesting to see what some of the other GA editors think

Mmmm its OK but you see what I mean about too much narrative in places. Have a look at

Some more help for you:

I have seen that issue questioned in many articles that have been candidates in the past but I can't think of a specific one off hand. Occasionally it was suggested to avoid long narrative and concnetrate on prose which I think the article mostly does. I proposed it this morning for a GA regardless -we'll wait and see what others think. I think you'd be surprised that it is of a good standard already

The only quote I see falut with is this -it is too long. "Please do your homework before you report anything to the nation. You cannot target me and my boyfriend just because I am a film star. If you want to talk about me, then say I'm the most beautiful woman and I have the most amazing films. Why are you bringing in my boyfriend and me and creating this mess?"

You're right. The articles have a lot of text, and suggestions from

Ah I see well why didn't those edit count people tell me about this then!!. I kind of got the impression that user was making out as if I had had 40,000 of my edits deleted and that just because I had a high edit count I wasn't a good editor. It is so non important to me that I have never even looked at that calculator until now and only came across it by accident in seeing Nehrams2020 promotion. It's pretty useless!!! I just wish they wouldn't keep generating all these lists of wikipedians by edit count though every month. Thanks anyway.

Hi

I see you've been busy with the Bollywood articles of late. Just wanted to drop by and say you're doing some great work out there.

Keep it up,

Yes unfortunately I am going to have to find a way of making ends meet temporarily online. I'll have to devise a way of buying electronics in bulk cheapily and selling them at a profit or something. I have traded on ebay for a few years but only odds and ends. Potentially you could make a lot of money online what do you think -do you have any suggestions of where I could make some?

I've heard stories about many making millions online and many earning like $60,000 a week with minimum effort. I'll have to use my brains to check everything out and find a niche in the market - examine high demand goods or whatever that I can make a lot of profit from and try to see what I can do. Potentially money can flow into your bank account with little or no heavy work. If I could get something set up I know I could be successful. What do you do to survive? Isn't your father a rich businessman or something?

Ha, howz this for a cool name

It takes ages I'm afraid -nobody seems to pay attention. I do hope I can continue editing well on wikipedia- it feels a lot nicer editing if I haven't got money worries and I can relax. Hopefully I can find a good way to earn temporarily with minimum work so I don't have to completely stop editing. Hey I've nominated my

Thanks. I love writing very much where I feel I can give people knowledge on a major site like this-this is what I love about wikipedia is the freedom to create articles which are automatically in front of millions. I keep telling myself to concentrate on this but so much work needs doing with films and places that this tends to dominate my editing time. All the best

I'm very into European art and architecture and promised myself i would add all the painters and sculptors from Hungary which has some terrific paintings and sculptures. I really like creating those classic sort of encyclopedia articles like

I ought to have created a list -its good to go back and see what I've started but I lost count!! I'm just looking back now it really is quite diverse

Keep in mind the page is already 57kb (the last time I checked). well over 20kb over the recommended article length abd shouldn't really be much longer. Also remember there s likely to be far more details of every aspect of Angelina's life on the Internet. I wouldn't be concerned with adding too much but it would be nice I agree to see more about her childhood . From my experience I don't think this will be an issue even for FA. On Abbas Kiarostami we couldn't find barely anything about his childhood but it was promoted to FA with the collobration with the great Iranian firend User:Sangak completely in favour. In fact Sangak reminds me very much of yourself

Well no we both indeed know it wouldn't reach FA yet. I do see what you mean about those sections and the brief but also remember many FA articles don't even have such sections. First things first lets get it to GA - I just wish somebody would review it asap and some people look at it to get some more views. Keep up the good work but I shouldn't go overboard in adding too much more content -just try to fill in with a bit more text what you can Adios

I don't know -bubbly and dimples does sound a bit childlike. Perhaps Something like "She is widely known for her vivacious personality and is frequently described by the press as having a bubbly outgoing persona" would sound more pedia suitable . An idea - I've been pretty busy today anything from fijian wildlife organizations to casinos in Reno, Nevada to american geology! Today is one of the darkest days I've ever seen here - 150% cloud cover - winter is coming here

Uh I hate it when it is dark and dreary. I either love the summer sun or in the winter when it is snowing and the sky is clear! Hey I have to log out now my old father wants to use the computer but

Of course

Cool -yes I'd heard about their petty rivalry. oh man I can't believe how huge this site is getting - the more you browse the more gigantic you realise it is. It is now becoming a world library rather than an encyclopedia . Could you imagine physically reading it as a book!!!It sometimes gives me a headache!! .

You think you'll leave for good? When you go to uni you think you won't ever be able to edit even once in a few weeks? Surely you'd return in a few years when you've finsihed though ?

Ha Evil Spartan do you not know about our license?? Possibly unfree (scoff scoff). I would love some time to develop articles on individual paintings and artwork. There are thousands of articles missing on paintings which could have excellent encycloepdic articles. E.g see

I am very aware of these singers particularly

I'm also familiar with

See

Only kidding -he reminds me of him with those glasses that all. Yes Burman was a legend from what I gather in Indian cinema and its very good to see such a good article on him

OK thanks -I've just seen a bit of

Yes I've seen veera anyway. nice countryside -remarkable how they can change clothes on a mountain

Yes I have magic moments where I go into comedy mode - Bollywood dreamz also said I was the funniest guy or something he'd ever spoken too. Having a good laugh really helps you feel good particularly after quite a worrying few days - its part of who I am - I can't be like many of those intelligent stereotypes who are so dull and respond to you with three word messages only every month. I can't help it its a part of who I am -I've always affected people like this. Apologies - its difficult to communicate humour without being in my presence!! Keep up the great work anyway on those singers and Preity (I salute you sir) also I'll see ya tomorrow . Buenos Noches.

Hi how are you? Have you thought about developing another article to GA standard while Zinta is being reviewed?

Wow!! I've just been watching Zinta and Mukerji on the Indian Who Wants to be a Millionaire. The questions are really hard for a Brit!!! Really great so see those two together

P.S you need to archive your talk page ir is 132 kb!!! Adios

An image that you uploaded or altered,