User talk:Shshshsh/Archive 5

I have discussed with Giro who does a lot of organizational work for WP Films and he like me thinks its time we standardized the cinema groups and took the Indian cinema group as part under our wing and part WP:India. At present it seems like many of the participants are inactive and unfortunately general Indian cinema project organization is suffering as a result despite the great work of its active members on certain articles. Now a move to

Tu español es excellente amigo. Y gracias . Quiero aprender hablar y escribir español con fluidez en el futuro. You support the restructuring then? It can only bring solidarity to film and bio articles related to Indian cinema and it will create more interest in the project and encourage active members of films to check it out and try to contribute . There would soon enough be a drive to assess all articles and work at developing everything in coordination with our goals .

It wouldn't affect the projects uniqueness. As it is the project is alienated and the 400 or so editors at WP Films can't really get in to attempt to assess them. It is still exactly the same. I appreciate your love of Indian cinema as the best but do you want better organization or not? The seperate group hasn't really got any form of article assessment it didn't even have any mention of the top articles until a minute ago

Of course it would copy the same version -it would be exactly the same!! . It would be exactly the same pages just under WP:Films assessment to coordinate it better

I've stated what I think on the talk page as you asked me what I thought . Yow!! Boohooo.Sob sob.

Hey I found an image for

I'm uploading another she is such a beauty as Stven Irwin would have siad . This Bollywood blog thing is treasure trove - I managed to negotiate again with the site to remove some of the watermarks on many of their images -this is why there now are some more clear available although many still have it on

See

You know with some references and expansion perhaps on production we could get

I have an older film request. For some reason

Sorry mate but it isn't at all. The lists are supposed to mention the main characters or most prominent in the film. Any mention of the key cast members is useful and Pa is doing a great job. Please don't

The most important thing is that even the titles are put into the lists but if it has info this is evne better to start with. At a later date more actors can be added if relevant but it is off to a good start. Don't worry if the details on actors are not fully complete yet - it is far more important the films are added to the lists . Regards

Well for instance Die Hard 3. Now who are the main characters - Would you say it is POV for Bruce Willis to be mentioned as a main character? From the many clips of Bollywood films from the 1970s particular the Romance films often there were two or three main characters -often these people were featured on the poster of film as they were central to the story. If for some reason soembody vandalised it because it was missing two or three actors then I'm sure it would be reverted soon enough. Ideally the lists should mention four to five actors but different films often have a differing number of central characters.

Now hang on. Are you talking about the introduction or the actors of each film in the tables. I thought you were talking about the number of actors mentioned in the tables for each films

I thought you were talking about the number of cast mentioned for each film . DId you mean about mentioning actors in the introduction ?

Well? If you are talking about mentioning a few actors in intro for the whole decade then it can appear as POV and should perhaps not be in there - as of course there were many prominent actors . Are you talking about this? I thought you were on about the content in tables - please respond thanks

Ah amigo. Ah well thats clears a lot of things up!!!! LOL!! To be honest I was a little confused - I was sure you were talking about how many actors should be mentioned in tables for each film!!! Pa did mention about writing a good intro - but its probably best not to mention the actors in thinking about it - POV at first didn't occur to me. As it is now its fine I think and is referenced. If you can think of anyhting else important than please add it. Hey did you really like Zora? I know he/she founded the Indian cinema group and proabably has done the greatest work in the past for the group - but from what I remember she was quite rude to many people. I know when I told her I was creating a list of missing films to help the project she snapped at me big time

LOL!!! Not offended but was confused what you were talking about!! Good going on the 80s!! Saludos!

Pretty rude from what I remember - disagreeable with many people. I'm sure User:Etlantik and a few others thought she was rude. In fact I remember feeling quite shocked at the response I and others got from her -quite nasty in fact -it seemed well out of order. A great wikipedian would be able to put aside disagreements and move on with helping the project not give up. She did a great deal of good for Indian cineam on wiki I'll give her that. All the best

For films by year see

Not that I know of -there probably is somewhere on one of the Bollywood sites. It works for me - I've just added 1960 and there so much missing!!

Great news. I've learned how to digitally enhance or crop images. That site has the very latest images which can be cropped easily and modified. It also has a great number of other people other than actors. See

Yep Two new images for

No I don't bother watching pages at all. I am only editing a lot on Bollywood pages to get the images sorted out particularly today. Then I can move on.

I managed to crop an image of my bald head also

Thanks for your kind words. Yes I am cropping them and altering the colour and contrast to make them look more attractive. The site even has images of more obscure actors, models and people. If they are with somebody or have a watermark bring the image to me and I'll crop them out of it and digitally alter it so we have the desired image -we should have images of most of Bollywood soon enough

One thing I love about Bollywood actors and actresses is their clothes. The jeans and shirts and leather jackets and shoes they wear are super -always looking mint- I've always tried to copy that designer style with my own dress code.

I've just found two free images of Brad Pitt and Angelina jolie taken in Pune from that site -I'll upload and see what I can do

Sari's look great. I also like

Well tough luck

LOL! He kind of looks a bit like

Can I kindly ask you though to stop removing so many red links though. I know you are trying to tidy but you are shutting off potential new articles. In my experience several red links of missing articles encourages editors to create them and expand the encyclopedia further. Thanks

Well I disagree. Deactivating links in infoboxes is fine but there is no harm in a few red links in the article at all particularly if they are important articles that are missing - although if you are about to propose for a FA then this is approproate . I also consider it rude to speak in capital letters as if you are shouting, which I have noticed you do to several people. PLease do not speak to me in capital letters again. Thankyou

In those fifteen or so articles I have now rid of some 100 red links in total in many of the actor filmographies. All the best

Now if you could fix Govindas filmography giving it the good ole silver treatment and ordering I'll aim to start every film he's ever starred in on wikipedia in an hour or two!!!

"THANKS"!! (LOL). If you look there is no text directly copywrighted for these articles . However as I was using the imdb plot as a source and tried to rewrite it in my own words it may appear similar. If there were several sites with the plot I could get a better persepctive a write a completely individual plot which would not resemble imdb in the slightest. The best thing is to set these articles up (a try to avoid familiar text)!! Adios

Feel free to add plots to

I also found an image for

Hi I'm back. Whats up ? I don't know what it is today I feel really drowsy and my concentration levels are low so I can't be editing much. I managed to find us some images of Asha Bhosle and her sister Lata. Its a shame we can't get some images of when they were young.

All I can suggest is that you upload an image of either of them when they were young and add a full rationale to explain why an image is needed to identify them in their youth and prime and how encyclopedic this is. Then state a replaceable free image is impossible as it was over 40 years ago. I've seen this approved in places where is it not feasible to find an image of them when they are retired or something.

I'm feeling pretty ill today so I'll cut it short. I've added some images to the Bollywood page to what I believe are some of the highest earners and critically acclaimed in the industry today. I am however keen to avoid any issues of POV which you might be concerned about and reverting it. Is there some source that states the highest earners in the Bollywood film industry today? If so it could become: The Top Ten highest earning actors in Bollywood today and be referenced to avoid any selective POV issues. Now I may have missed out some actors or actresses which you consider more prominent than these but I'm pretty sure these are amongst the most popular. Could you find some source which indicates most acclimaed or highest earnign to make this valid. I'd hate for it to be rmeoved from the article. Thanks

You reverted it already without any discussion

Well it does seem a shame to have all the images of Bollywood people and not include any at all in the article. I agree with you about POV (I was just amazed you were so quick to react and revert) this is why I believe it would be right to find a list of the highest earners to make it valid. It seems a shame to remove any indication of some of the most prominent actors in the industry just for the sake of POV. From a different perspective if I was reading an encyclopedia article on Bollywood I would want to know who some of the most famous actors and actresses are but it fails to do this

If you disagree with that- I really think the page needs a table or something of the actors who have won the most awards or something in contemporary Indian cinema. Could you create a table of the Top 10 actors who have received the most awards and nominations or something? This way POV selection can't be disputed and it gives some information which is pretty important that is at present missing

I agree its difficult to write an article about a whole industry and to mention some people at the expense of others. However I do believe there needs to be some information on the highest awarded (most Filmfare Awards won for example) to give the reader an indication of who the officially most acclaimed people are in the industry without POV but based on fact. Just a suggestion -it was something important I believed that was missing .

Yes its a difficult one as often most awards won don't correlate to gross earnings. Martin Scorses is perhaps the biggest example of this. It is difficult to mention anybody at all without a POV issue as you say but this means knowledge of the most prominent in the industry is missing. Have a think- I am impressed by your keeness to keep the encyclopedia completely neutral. Regards

Muuch better amigo!. If possible some of highest grossing films could also be mentioned but it is an improvement. Are you familiar with

I can tell she looks classy and is very pleasant looking -she looks a lovely person. I've just started an article on

I haven't could you suggest any? I bet she was a stunner. I really have to get some Bollywood films -youtube only shows the songs. I want to see all of the films not just clips of them -I;d get a much better impression of hindi films this way.

Shes the same age as my dad!!! Lol! I think I'll try to buy the dvd of

Esplendido!!! Is there no end to beautiful Bollywood actresses!! I don't think many people outside Indian actually realize how many beautiful women there actually are. I love

They are starting to looking good aren't they with every new image uploaded!!. This is only just the beginning of course!! Its time the world realised how many beautiful people there are in the industry. I always knew there were some stunners like Aishwarya Rai and Shilpa Shetty but I never realised how many!! I enjoy uploading their images they really are stunning to look at. Thanks for your adjustments to Dabas -I;m sure there are many missing articles on lesser known actors which have images. Hey I'm feeling really sick tonight -I had a chicken curry last night and there was something wrong with it -I hope I haven't got a stomach bug from it or something. Anyway great talking to you I'm off to bed to try and sleep it off!! All the best amigo

Wow check out the image crop

Lol!! Now heres one I thought I'd never create.

Muy bueno! Gracias. Yes I've found I can crop almost any image on there which is a huge bonus -Shilpa Shetty once did not have any images!!!. I got us a decent image of SRK but his page keeps getting vandalised by anonymous. It gets very annoying those niggly little disruptions. Koena and Neha are gorgeous!!!! I've put Neha on my user page

No I am surprised he doesn't even have a page

Yes I happened to notice your new article when I checked the new pages nice going -I used my new rationale template to silence the image taggers. Yes this Hindu Boar is a bit of a "bore". I have even been speaking with the director of Caledonian Publishing agian today and despite all hes done he is willing to set the record straight again. I wish people would stop fussing about images which already have officially recognized ticketing and stop trying to ruin everything and contribute to the content of the encyclopedia instead. No need to worry - an admin has assured me he will be blocked if he persists on disrupting. I aim to get American films of 1946 and 1948 done tonight its going well I have done much of 1942 and 1944 over the last day or two. I printed one year off earlier and it looks great printed out -really encyclopedic and helpful -it also gives me a chance to check out some of these classic films (but most are bad stubs). Best regards

Great new article - I've already nominated it for a DYK for you before seeing your message. You may want to reference it a bit more and perhaps stub that German festival or something

I know. Some people don't like her but I can say that for me she is exactly the type of woman to fall in love with!!! Many agree she is most often cited in the TOP 100 worlds most beautiful women but I think she is above people like J lo and all that. I think she is perfect.

Dunno. I had a problem with my user last week I couldn;t change my skin. I had to press enter instead. Try changing your skin temporarily or seomthing and see if it makes a difference

It might have something to do with

Yes constantly but remember my setting is probably about as different from yours as it can get. I have a waifer thin screen, use cologne blue, have the screen settings to a blue tone, have my toolbar on the left in a column, and use the font Callisto and have my main page set at

I use Firefox I think. You can create your own main page with Preity Zinta on or something!! It took me ages to learn how to alter the settings and fonts

I've noticed this article several times partly because i added an image and partly because she is Nepalese born, a country I am highly interested in and have done much wiki work on. Its taking shape nicely at present just needs a reference or two in the intro. The Zinta article makes an excellent role model for the other Indian cinema articles such as this to aspire to, I don;t know why it is taking so damn long to be reviewed - lazy tossers!!! The best thing to be done at present is to add some of the missing articles in the filmography first and then develop this further. Regards

It's comin on good boyo. KUTGW. As

Quite ingenius. My evil intellect must be rubbing off on you!! Your message was great timing I've not been on here much all day and have just sitting down to eat!!

Sorry I can't help it I'm crazy about her!! LOL!

Yeh I know! I swear Shania's husband

Have you heard of Def leppard? Its quite unique in that they are huge in America since the early 1980s - they are English but are actually more popular in the UNited States which is rare as it is a very difficult market to break into. At some of the concerts in England there were hundreds of die hard American rock fans in the audience! The band

Oh i forgot! Yes I have heard of

The writing in the Abbas article is about 98% mine although Sangak is responsible for referencing and upkeep. Its very poetic isn't it. It has been cut a bit and minor edited by a few - I think it was better at a fuller length. I was asked by Sangak back in about February to help him and I decided to spend a week or two concentrating on a FA. It went from start class to FA in about two weeks. It was one of the rare occasions i have decided to develop articles all the way as so much needs doing with start and stub class articles which dominate most of my editing time. I did get some time to write

I am quite surprised we are allowed to keep

I know I should concentrate more on writing but don't think that minor edits on stub/start class articles aren't important also. For me it is of chief importance to try to set out the foundations of the project first and create a more even start to avoid systematic bias and then to begin to develop articles fully afterwards. So much needs doing in turning stubs into start class articles that it tends to take over most of my edits at present. Writing full length quality articles takes a lot of effort and work and time also. That Zinta article is taking ridiculously long to review. Auf Wiedersehn.

44,50,00,000 looks like 44,500,000 -44 million 500 thousand but it is more likely to be 445,000,000 as in 445 million. Its written strangely isn;t it -two digits is a wrong way of applying it. I have no idea what the going currency rates are or how much this is is dollars or pound sterling. It might be a good idea to list the top highest grossing films in a table on the Bollywood page though

According to the on line currency converter the figure is equivalent to £55,521,31.04 -about 55 million pounds. Judging by how huge the Indian is and the number of people who see these films I would have thought it would be higher. I've heard that Preity Zinta and Bacchan, Salman Khan and Shadrukh Khan are actually watched by more people than even Angelina Jolie or Brad Pitt because of Indias 1 billion population

Looks like 445 million then. That would be about right

Crikey when do you sleep??? !!

Much of that section is background and puts it in its context. On the Angelina article family and early life also goes first. Now if you could expand that relationships section or something we could move it down into a seperate paragraph

I am about to upload a few more images which I have cropped and enhanced. I think you also need to be more specific with her modelling. You often say in various commericla or whatever. This will need to be more precise and actually cite some of the things she has modelled for

No I've tried it looks awful see

Kareena Kapoor was only possible because the watermark only covered part of her neck

Trust me it can't be done without seriously damaging it. I think thats enough now anyway it looks fine -I would have liked that red dress image though I agree

Theres nothing much in those sources I don't think . We can't really say "she was a naughty girl" LOL!!

Perhaps you could mention that she is a keen athlete since her childhood and is into fitness or mention her height or something.

Hello, Shahid,

In fact I told you twice!!

No worries just thought I made it clear that it couldn't be done by anybody - I agree it was a hot image of her though. The info about her father and athletics is good but you'll need to cut out the gossip-esque words. Tally ho chaps!

Its fine. Its sad that both Preity and Shania lost their parents in an accident.

Hi. I don't know what it is I've felt drowsy all week, its like all my energy has gone and I find it difficult to concentrate on stuff.

Its not the curry. I don't know I've had it a while I think I am going to have an allergy test or something. It kind of makes me feel really tired and unable to concentrate on something. Its like my head is spinning - I've tried getting some fresh air or whatever but it isn't that. Hey are you gonna propose Zinta for an A yet?

Yep give it a go. You've worked alot on it the last two days and it has new pictures. Just make sure you reference those new parts you added and send. Knowing the process it'll probably be Christmas before it is looked at anyway (chuckle chuckle).

Ah but you've readded some of the stuff I removed yesterday about her buddies and that which isn't appropriate

The buddy and female counterpart thing wasn't a good idea but the rest is OK. I still think you should move the part about her fathers death in with the car accident part so it flows.

Please don't what?? I said hopefully we can find a new image to fill the gap. Did I say something about restoring the blurry dark image?

We need some time indication of when Preity met Kapur . The references to date and context in this period is pretty vague

OK I agree but the GA reviewer was keen to define her film career

As Aretha Franklin and my main man

CNN is a reliable source so use it. Add all that you can then. We might be able to get a seperate modelling section after all