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Sundayclose (talk) 17:53, 13 June 2023 (UTC) keeps taking away 2 valid citations and resources regarding the origins of the word Melungeon, from a Will Alen Dromgoole sketch of Calloway Collins in 1890 and a letter from Walter Ashby Plecker written in 1943 that is mentioned throughout the article.[reply]

Edit warring is not the best way to handle this. In fact, you'll be very unsuccessful by edit warring. Go to the article talk page and seek

blocked very quickly. Sundayclose (talk) 18:01, 13 June 2023 (UTC)[reply

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Images of Letter

January 1943

Local Registrars, Physicians, Health

Officers, Nurses, School Superintendents,

and Clerks of the Courts

Dear Co-workers:

Our December 1942 letter to local registrars, also mailed to the clerks,

set forth the determined effort to escape from the negro race of groups of "free

issues," or descendants of the "free mulattoes" of early days, so listed prior to

1865 in the United States census and various types of State records, as distin-

guished from slave negroes.

Now that these people are playing up the advantages gained by being

permitted to give "Indian" as the race of the child's parents on birth certifi-

cates, we see the great mistake made in not stopping earlier the organized pro-

pagation of this racial falsehood. They have been using the advantage thus gained

as an aid to intermarriage into the white race and to attend white schools, and

now for some time they have been refusing to register with war draft boards as

negroes, as required by the boards which are faithfully performing their duties.

Three of these negroes from Caroline County were sentenced to prison on January 12

in the United States Court at Richmond for refusing to obey the draft law unless

permitted to classify themselves as "Indian."

Some of these mongrels, finding that they have been able to sneak in

their birth certificates unchallenged as Indians are now making a rush to register

as white. Upon investigation we find that a few local registrars have been per-

mitting such certificates to pass through their hands unquestioned and without

warning our office of the fraud. Those attempting this fraud should be warned

that they are liable to a penalty of one year in the penitentiary (Section 5099a

of the Code). Several clerks have likewise been actually granting them licenses

to marry whites, or at least to marry amongst themselves as Indian or white. The

danger of this error always confronts the clerk who does not inquire carefully as

to the residence of the woman when he does not have positive information. The

law is explicit that the license be issued by the clerk of the county or city in

which the woman resides.

To aid all of you in determining just which are the mixed families, we

have made a list of their surnames by counties and cities, as complete as possible

at this time. This list should be preserved by all, even by those in counties and

cities not included, as these people are moving around over the State and changing

race at the new place. A family has just been investigated which was always

recorded as negro around Glade Springs, Washington County, but which changed to

white and married as such in Roanoke County. This is going on constantly and can

be prevented only by care on the part of local registrars, clerks, doctors, health

workers, and school authorities.

Please report all known or suspicious cases to the Bureau of Vital

Statistics, giving names, ages, parents, and as much other information as possible.

All certificates of these people showing "Indian" or "white" are now being rejected

and returned to the physician or midwife, but local registrars hereafter must not

permit them to pass their hands uncorrected or unchallenged and without a note of

warning to us. One hundred and fifty thousand other mulattoes in Virginia are

watching eagerly the attempt of their pseudo-Indian brethren, ready to follow in

a rush when the first have made a break in the dike.

Very truly yours,

W. A. Plecker, M.D.

State Registrar of Vital Statistics

Page 2

SURNAMES, BY COUNTIES AND CITIES, OF MIXED NEGROID VIRGINIA

FAMILIES STRIVING TO PASS AS "INDIAN" OR WHITE.

Albemarle: Moon, Powell, Kidd, Pumphrey.

Amherst (Migrants to Alleghany and Campbell): Adcock (Adcox), Beverly (this family is now trying to evade the situation by adopting the name of Burch or Birch, which was the name of the white mother of the present adult generation), Branham, Duff, Floyd, Hamilton, Hartless, Hicks, Johns, Lawless, Nuckles (Knuckles), Painter, Ramsey, Redcross, Roberts, Southards (Suthards, Southerds, Southers), Sorrells, Terry, Tyree, Willis, Clark, Cash, Wood.

Bedford: McVey, Maxey, Branham, Burley. (See Amherst County)

Rockbridge (Migrants to Augusta): Cash, Clark, Coleman, Duff, Floyd, Hartless, Hicks, Mason, Mayse (Mays), Painters, Pultz, Ramsey, Southerds (Southers, Southards, Suthards), Sorrells, Terry, Tyree, Wood, Johns.

Charles City: Collins, Dennis, Bradby, Howell, Langston, Stewart, Wynn, Adkins.

King William: Collins, Dennis, Bradby, Howell, Langston, Stewart, Wynn, Custalow (Custaloe), Dungoe, Holmes, Miles, Page, Allmond, Adams, Hawkes, Suprlock, Doggett.

New Kent: Collins, Bradby, Stewart, Wynn, Adkins, Langston.

Henrico and Richmond City: See Charles City, New Kent, and King William.

Caroline: Byrd, Fortune, Nelson. (See Essex)

Essex and King and Queen: Nelson, Fortune, Byrd, Cooper, Tate, Hammond, Brooks, Boughton, Prince, Mitchell, Robinson.

Elizabeth City & Newport News: Stewart (descendants of the Charles City families).

Halifax: Epps (Eppes), Stewart (Stuart), Coleman, Johnson, Martin, Talley, Sheppard (Shepard), Young.

Norfolk County & Portsmouth: Sawyer, Bass, Weaver, Locklear (Locklair), King, Bright, Porter, Ingram.

Westmoreland: Sorrells, Worlds (or Worrell), Atwells, Gutridge, Oliff.

Greene: Shifflett, Shiflet.

Prince William: Tyson, Segar. (See Fauquier)

Fauquier: Hoffman (Huffman), Riley, Colvin, Phillips. (See Prince William)

Lancaster: Dorsey (Dawson).

Washington: Beverly, Barlow, Thomas, Hughes, Lethcoe, Worley.

Roanoke County: Beverly. (See Washington)

Lee and Smyth: Collins, Gibson (Gipson), Moore, Goins, Ramsey, Delph, Bunch, Freeman, Mise, Barlow, Bolden (Bolin), Mullins, Hawkins. -- Chiefly Tennessee "Melungeons."

Scott: Dingus. (See Lee County)

Russell: Keith, Castell, Stillwell, Meade, Proffitt. (See Lee & Tazewell)

Tazewell: Hammed, Duncan. (See Russell)

Wise: See Lee, Smyth, Scott, and Russell Counties StephanieTree (talk) 18:03, 13 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Please explain the reason for your changes; This letter is reference multiple times and the Calloway Collins citation was bogus; I went and found the actual references and included them on the page. StephanieTree (talk) 18:04, 13 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Again, this is not the place to make your case. Discuss at

I am replying to you since you put all those things on my personal page, which you erased on yours all the same... why are you doing this? StephanieTree (talk) 18:14, 13 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Why am I deleting information my talk page? Read

WP:CONSENSUS, which I have already linked, it explains why you can't unilaterally decide to make a change on an article without discussion. You're accomplishing nothing by arguing with me except wasting your time and my time. Go to the article talk page. Sundayclose (talk) 18:19, 13 June 2023 (UTC)[reply

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I understand all this, what I don't understand is why you decided to go to my talk page rather than the Talk:Melungeon page yourself? Why are you telling me not to erase things of my page when you didn't like what you put on mine on your own? That is just dubious. Your citation to the Walter Plecker letter is a test page. StephanieTree (talk) 18:24, 13 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Because it is responsibility of the editor who is trying to make a change to get consensus. For the final time, read

WP:BRD while you're at it. Unless you have something new to say, I'm finished here. Sundayclose (talk) 18:28, 13 June 2023 (UTC)[reply

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WP:ONUS - FlightTime (open channel) 18:30, 13 June 2023 (UTC)[reply

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Okay, well I took it there but wow you are very defensive for no good reason. Peace. StephanieTree (talk) 18:32, 13 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not defensive. I simply am trying to send you to the correct place so that you can stop wasting my time and your time. If you prefer to wander around to the wrong place without any advice and/or lose your editing privileges for policy violations, that's entirely up to you. Sundayclose (talk) 18:37, 13 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Everything that has come from you thus far to me has been unnecessarily defensive and it borderlines on haughty threats:

If you prefer to wander around to the wrong place without any advice and/or lose your editing privileges for policy violations, that's entirely up to you. Sundayclose (talk) 18:37, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

17:53, 13 June 2023‎ Sundayclose talk contribs‎ 38,749 bytes −7,147‎ Reverted 2 edits by StephanieTree (talk): Take this to the article talk page and get consensus. Revert again and you will lose your editing privileges.

17:39, 13 June 2023‎ Sundayclose talk contribs‎ 38,749 bytes −7,200‎ Reverted 1 edit by 98.150.110.57 (talk): AGAIN, source has nothing about Melungeons.

16:30, 13 June 2023‎ Sundayclose talk contribs‎ 38,749 bytes −7,200‎ Sources have nothing about Melungeons. undothank Tags: Undo Reverted

Time wasted is your perception alone... the Walter Plecker 1943 letter and reference has everything to do with what you reverted it to, a misquotation with a broken link. Who do you think are you trying to convince with scare tactics about losing editing privileges? I did nothing but fix a couple of broken links, which you just as well reverted back to broken ones presently... the only ones who threaten others about "losing privileges" are the ones those who treat others like you have, misusing privileges meant for all, equally. StephanieTree (talk) 18:50, 13 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

As I said, I'm finished here. Wait for consensus before making the change to the article. Sundayclose (talk) 18:53, 13 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You really have a bad habit of saying one thing and doing another while telling people what they should do while being extremely haughty. You didn't have to "start" or "finish" anything on my page, but since you have done so, why not be a bit cordial and polite? What is that "I'm finished here" business about? Your chosen words are very impolite. Good Day! StephanieTree (talk) 19:00, 13 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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