User talk:SummerandWinter

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Hi, SummerandWinter, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thanks for your recent edits to Feminist views on transgender topics. Unfortunately, I had to undo them, because they lacked a source. All edits at Wikipedia which add assertions of fact need to be

You said what I wrote needed sourcing, but it was actually more rearranged than anything else. To explain, at the top of the Wikipedia article for Feminist views on transgender topics, there is the assertation that those who identify as feminists are more likely to support transgender (well, existence?) phenomena. This is correct, and there are citations placed which verify this. However, it, then, asserts that cis women are more likely to support trans politics than the general public, more than cis men. This, of course, is a contradiction, because while both are correct, when placed next to one another they explain each other. The reason that self-identified feminists are more likely to support transgender politics is because far more women identify as feminists than men, and women are more likely to support trans politics because they're women, disregarding any connection to feminism. In other words, a set of citations help explain the other set of citations. So, I'm not making any claims without citing my sources. I'm, instead, placing things in an alternative order, so the overt contradiction has been eliminated. What exists here, from the various data gathered (not by me), is that since a much smaller percentage of men identify as feminists, and feminist-identified men don't hold more positive views on transgender phenomena than non-feminist-identified men (which is shown to be the case in one of the sources which had already been linked prior to my edits), there appears zero correlation between holding feminist views and pro-trans views.

Hopefully, this elaboration upon the subject clears things up, and also helps dispel the myth that I didn't cite sources. Rather, as stated prior, I simply rearranged and rewrote what already existed, so that the error had been removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SummerandWinter (talk • contribs) 12:09, 16 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your comment. First, a couple of housekeeping issues: on Talk pages, in order to keep discussions orderly and clarify who said what, and in reply to whom, Wikipedia has a set of guidelines for responding, which includes indentation (using leading colons on each paragraph), and signature-timestamp (which you got half right, adding your sig, but not the time). I've fixed both of these for now for you; going forward, please have a look at

WP:THREAD

, which explains how this all works.

Secondly, Wikipedia has somewhat different roles for a "User talk page", such as this one, and an "Article talk page", such as the one you land on if you hit the "Talk" tab at the top of any article. A user page is a place to inform a user about Wikipedia, to explain reverts as a courtesy (the

WP:TALK

for more about this.

As to what you've written above, I understand what you are saying, and you have some good points which indicate that you are thinking about how to improve the article. Thank you for that, that's a great indication that you may become a valuable editor at Wikipedia! However, based on the paragraph above, this page is not the right venue to discuss your points; for one thing, no other editors concerned with the topic of Feminism and trans issues will find it here, and they may wish to engage with you as well. In addition, there is a guideline which recommends how to proceed, when you have

Bold, revert, discuss

). This guideline suggests that the person whose addition was reverted, open a new discussion on the article Talk page to discuss their concerns.

Given all of the above, the next step, if you wish to, is to follow the

WP:NOTIF

.)

It would be best if you opened the new section at the Talk page, but if you're uncertain how to do this, I can open it for you and "invite" you there with a

WP:NOTIFication

, and then you can follow up. Let me know which you prefer. Also, this is a volunteer project; you don't *have* to do any of this; this is just a suggestion on how to proceed in case you'd like to follow this up.

To be clear about the talk page roles, if you want to address the Feminist/trans topic, please go to the article Talk page; if you have questions about how Wikipedia works, or you have questions about anything I've said, you can just reply to me below by adding {{Reply|Mathglot}} at the beginning of your message. You can always reach me at my Talk page, either now, or any time in the future; it is linked in my signature at the end of this message.

Once again, thanks for your interest in this topic, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia! Mathglot (talk) 20:11, 16 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Theroadislong was:

This submission's references do not show that the subject

independent of the subject. Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid

when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

 The comment the reviewer left was:

a single source is not really sufficient

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.

• If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Projectivity (psychological trait) and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
• If you now believe the draft cannot meet Wikipedia's standards or do not wish to progress it further, you may request deletion. Please go to Draft:Projectivity (psychological trait), click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window, add "{{Db-g7}}" at the top of the draft text and click the blue "publish changes" button to save this edit.
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Theroadislong (talk) 12:59, 16 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, SummerandWinter! Having an article declined at Articles for Creation can be disappointing. If you are wondering why your article submission was declined, please post a question at the Articles for creation help desk. If you have any other questions about your editing experience, we'd love to help you at the Teahouse, a friendly space on Wikipedia where experienced editors lend a hand to help new editors like yourself! See you there! Theroadislong (talk) 12:59, 16 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Projectivity (psychological trait). Thanks! Theroadislong (talk) 14:34, 16 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Calliopejen1 was:

This submission's references do not show that the subject

independent of the subject. Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid

when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

 The comment the reviewer left was:

Once I removed the inappropriate content, there is only a single sourced sentence in this article. You need to gather sources about projectivity as such and then write your draft summarizing what those sources say.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.

• If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Projectivity (psychological trait) and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
• If you now believe the draft cannot meet Wikipedia's standards or do not wish to progress it further, you may request deletion. Please go to Draft:Projectivity (psychological trait), click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window, add "{{Db-g7}}" at the top of the draft text and click the blue "publish changes" button to save this edit.
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Calliopejen1 (talk) 17:08, 16 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You mentioned

If the page has already been deleted, you can request it be undeleted so you can continue working on it.

Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia.

Hello, SummerandWinter. It has been over six months since you last edited the

Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 18:08, 16 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Qcne was:

This submission is not adequately supported by

reliable sources. Reliable sources are required so that information can be verified. If you need help with referencing, please see Referencing for beginners and Citing sources

.

 The comment the reviewer left was:

You still only have a single source?

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

• If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Projectivity (psychological trait) and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
• If you do not edit your draft in the next 6 months, it will be considered abandoned and may be deleted.
• If you need any assistance, or have experienced any untoward behavior associated with this submission, you can ask for help at the Articles for creation help desk, on the reviewer's talk page or use Wikipedia's real-time chat help from experienced editors.

Qcne (talk) 18:01, 4 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, sorry about my incompetence. See, I virtually never edit Wikipedia, and I've never created an article before.

The reason I clicked "resubmit," was because I thought the article had been deleted (has it?), and due to my limited knowledge of how the site functions, I thought that was the process that existed prior to the state of approval.

My bad.

I'll add more citations in the coming days, along with more quotations from the authors of The Authoritarian Personality, to contribute to a larger understanding of the concept the page revolves around. SummerandWinter (talk) 18:21, 4 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]