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Hi Timothy, I see you have had a bit of a battle (more than you need have had, I think). Maybe these Americans have no idea what a Chief Constable is, but fortunately I do! You certainly don't have a notability issue with your topic, and I don't think you have a problem with sources. (Print references are fine, we don't have to be able to access everything online, and especially not from so long ago, relatively speaking.) You do have something of a formatting problem, but I am going to see what I can do about that, and then come back to you on it. Regards, David_FLXD (Talk) 19:58, 28 December 2012 (UTC)
- Follow up - I have made the necessary changes. The only thing which now prevents me from accepting your article is that there are too many places where inline citations are still needed. I have marked these places. Have a look, and see if any of your sources contain the needed information, or if you can find new ones that do. You do not have to fill in all the blanks - with a few [citation needed] tags remaining in the article, I can still publish it in main space; you just have to reduce the number of these tags. When you supply a reference, delete that citation needed tag. Do look at what I have done with the references, and copy the method. Then there are one or two places in the text which you had marked as references which looked to me more like asides or quotations. If it seemed the former, I put them in brackets. If the latter, they were italicised. Consider cutting some of these, eg the details of Dew and Crippen are doubtless contained in those articles, and are not really relevant here. (A mention of the connection is fine.) The article need not be perfect to be accepted, but it should ideally be subtantially complete. Oh yes, and you only need sign ~~~~ your edits on Talk pages, not article pages. For any article, viewing the History tab and particular changes (click on, say, Prev to see the change compared to the previous version of the article) will show you who made what changes. Use this to see what I did to your article. Contact me any time on my Talk page if you need further help, or when you feel the article is ready. Don't bother to resubmit it to Articles for Creation, I can publish it directly. Excellent research, by the way! David_FLXD (Talk) 21:31, 28 December 2012 (UTC)
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Hi Timothy, I've fixed the dates for you (you had to edit in the Infobox section, right at the top of the edit page) and also added them to the opening sentence as per convention when these are available. I see you are still making some mistakes with the wiki markup (eg closing ref tags like this </ref) instead of like this: </ref>. Here is a useful link to the simple reference to wiki markup which you may find useful:
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"I didn't expect you to spend time to format my document as you did- I'm very grateful that you did! But do all reviewers do that or did you just do it to help me on my way. Should I not have done it?"
- Most reviewers will contribute to formatting/rewriting when, as in this case, they find the article worth while, potentially very good and/or personally interesting. We know that almost all of the articles submitted for creation are from first-time contributors who do not yet know how to do it themselves. Now that you have seen how it works, of course, you can do it yourself next time. I should add that most reviewers will not put themselves out for bad articles!
"On the page that started me off with Wikipedia- City of Salisbury Wiltshire Police- there is an entry for Ernest Frank Richardson (my Grandfather) as one of its Chief Constables. It seems sensible to me to add to this page that his full biography, which I completed last year, is deposited as a hard copy with the Wiltshire Record Office. The book is not for sale. Is it good Wiki etiquite to mention this fact about the location and book, or not?"
- In this case, not, unless it (or copies of it) are available on request to the public. 99.9999999999% (rough guess!) of Wikipedia users would be unable to access it in this case, so there would not be much point, as weighed against possible accusations of self- or family promotion (see WP:COI). Not that I think that of you.
"I have in mind to write articles on Ernest Frank Richardsons' father,a brother, plus collectively four other brothers (all policemen) and the first woman to be attested in 1917 by Grandfather. Can these be linked in Wiki as individual articles, or would you advise I just write and publish each as a separate peice?"
- Each person with an article must be notable enough in themselves (and have adequate reliable sources for the information) to justify having their own article. For each person that does meet the criteria, as your grandfather did, write their own article and link between them. Wikipedia likes pages that are cross-linked! However, a group of pages that are only cross-linked to each other and to nowhere else is frowned upon. In this case you have at least one outside linke from the Salisbury City Police page.
Please note that the preferred communication channel for Wikipedia matters, unless there is some reason for private communication, is the Talk page. I only emailed you because you were not responding on your talk page and I hoped to get a heads up that way. Also keep in mind that, as you may already have realised, the email address you have for me is an anti-spam disposable mailbox and may be terminated without notice!
I trust this helps you. Regards, David_FLXD (Talk) 06:43, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
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You can read it at Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk#Review of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Mildred Florence White. Huon (talk) 18:38, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
Contacting other users
Hello TimothyWF, just a quick note: When you contact other users, please don't use the User: page (that's for stuff the users may wish to write about themselves), but the User talk: page. I've moved your comments directed to me to User talk:Huon#Florence Mildred White.
Regarding the sources for Florence Mildred White: Wikipedia's
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Hello Timothy. I have replied to your Teahouse question.--
I made some edits to the article you started
See here. No need to sign the page! =) Best. Biosthmors (talk) 17:49, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
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- Whether you have cited a book in your article makes no difference to the fact the information about White is sourced from unpublished letters and documents. From what I can see, the Dorothy Peto memoirs are used to cite info about Peto, or general information about women in the police force.
- You've obviously done a lot of research. Maybe you should write this up (if someone hasn't done so already) and donate it to the Police Museum too? If there is useful general information in Peto's book, about the role of women in the police, maybe you could add something to the Women in law enforcement article, which needs some attention. All the best! Sionk (talk) 16:32, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
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Thanks,
Archival sources are not allowed
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Archived sources (letters, personal
Instead, send your text to The Historical Journal. They published an article called Care or Control? The Metropolitan Women Police and Child Welfare, 1919-1969 so they would be interested in your research. Once you get published in a peer-reviewed journal, we can use your published article as a source. Chris Troutman (talk) 09:38, 28 January 2014 (UTC)
- As WP:PRIMARY makes clear, primary sources are not "disallowed":]
"A primary source may... be used on Wikipedia to make straightforward, descriptive statements of facts that can be verified by any educated person with access to the primary source but without further, specialized knowledge."
Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:32, 15 March 2014 (UTC)- @Pigsonthewing: Your use of ellipsis is deceptive. WP:PRIMARY says
"primary sources that have been reliably published may be used in Wikipedia; but only with care, because it is easy to misuse them"
. You conveniently left that out. More than half of that article relies exclusively on primary sources. In violation of policy, these aren't even "reliably published" primary sources but archived sources you would have to physically visit in order to verify. Archival sources require analysis as you can't take them at face value. Ask a historian if you doubt me. Chris Troutman (talk) 18:30, 15 March 2014 (UTC)- Your accusation that I am "conveniently" being "deceptive" is unacceptable, the entire sentence from which I quoted reads
" A primary source may only be used on Wikipedia to make straightforward, descriptive statements of facts that can be verified by any educated person with access to the primary source but without further, specialized knowledge."
. As anyone can see, the ellipsis replaced only the word "only". Your false appeal to policy is equally unbelievable. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:38, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
- Your accusation that I am "conveniently" being "deceptive" is unacceptable, the entire sentence from which I quoted reads
- @Pigsonthewing: Your use of ellipsis is deceptive. WP:PRIMARY says
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- I like the article and worked a bit on it, - feel free to revert if you think I went to far. Consider to prune details even further, to concentrate on the essential. Ask questions here, I will watch, but irregularily, I am on vacation ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:29, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
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Do you still need help with this topic? If so, ping me with {{U|Ktr101}}, otherwise I might miss it. Thanks!
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Florence Mildred White, proposed deletion of heading note on sources.
I have continued to improve this article over the past months with the help of fellow members of Wikipedia. It is my intention to continue with improvements. I wish to delete the statement in the article's heading that it relies on Primary sources as I do not think this is now correct. If anyone disagrees with my proposed actions please let me know in Talk. TimothyWF (talk) 19:32, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
- Almost all the sources cited are primary sources, so removing that template would be dishonest. That article cites only a handful of books and other periodicals that could be considered secondary sources. I'd also point out that you have notes that should ideally be separate from citations as well as many unpublished archival sources. Please don't see maintenance templates as some kind of detrimental mark. Those banners are used to notify Wikipedians that further work is needed. It also acts as a proviso to those reading lest they be misled. If you significantly reduce the number of primary sources used, then you could conceivable remove the template. Also, this discussion is best had on the article's talk page or perhaps the talk page of an applicable WikiProject. The aggregate that watches your talkpage is a different set of editors. Chris Troutman (talk) 20:35, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
Alfred Herbert Richardson. Proposed deletion of Own Research.
It is my intention to delete the heading at Further Reading about data being Own Research. If anyone disagrees with this please let me know via this Talk page.TimothyWF (talk) 20:18, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
- I absolutely oppose removing that template. I've already discussed my philosophical disagreement with how you use Wikipedia. Be aware that posting this message to your talk page is inappropriate, as it reaches the wrong aggregate. You should post to Talk:Alfred Herbert Richardson where editors and readers of that article can chime in. Chris Troutman (talk) 20:28, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
Chester meetup
Hi Timothy, the Chester meetup is tomorrow, and I'm in two minds as to whether to go ahead with it or not. There's only me, you and User:HJ Mitchell signed up, and HJ isn't sure whether he's going to be there. Would you mind if we cancelled, or do you want to go ahead with a very small meetup? Thanks, Bazonka (talk) 20:50, 17 October 2014 (UTC)
- Harry says he can come now, so it looks like we'll be there tomorrow. Hope to see you there. Bazonka (talk) 21:15, 17 October 2014 (UTC)
Invitation
Thanks for the invite, Timothy, but I'm more concerned with the people than the history. But its important not to embed the history in every article. Good luck. Victuallers (talk) 19:03, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
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Florence Mildred White. Incorrect individual in pop up data.
Reading through my Wikipedia article Florence Mildred White in the last paragraph White " she had served three Chief Constables " please note that the blue tagged wording refers to Frank Richardson Chief Constable of Hereford, Herefordshire who died in 1938 whereas it should read Frank Richardson Chief Constable of Salisbury, Wiltshire. The incorrect Chief is shewn as :
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TimothyWF (talk) 16:44, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
- ^ Frank Richardson (1851–1938) was an English policeman. He joined the Birmingham City Police in 1873 as a constable third class. Within one year he was promoted to constable second class and one year later to constable first class. In 1878 he was promoted to sergeant within the same force, and in 1882 he applied to be chief constable of Hereford, Herefordshire and was successful. He remained in this post, receiving the King's Police Coronation Medal in 1912 and being decorated at Buckingham Palace in 1917. He was at that time the "Most Senior Chief Constable of England" He had married in 1870 and had nine children of which seven were sons with only one not joining the police service. In total he and his family provided 176 years service to the constabularies of England and South Africa. Between 1903 and 1920 there were three Chief Constable Richardson's in office. He was also the chief fire brigade officer of Hereford, adding many innovations to the fire service.