User talk:Un assiolo

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	Not only for great judgment and contributions; also for cleaning up my accidental mess, and doing so in a way that exemplifies WP:CIVILITY in the face of my repeated blunders. Bobby Cohn (talk) 15:37, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply ]

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		For your skill in splitting pages.

JacktheBrown (talk) 20:44, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Un assiolo,

I have reverted your closure of this AFD discussion. You can't be the nominator and close the AFD yourself with a Merge outcome. You could have done a Merge BEFORE the AFD was started. But once the AFD was opened, your only act could be to withdraw your nomination and you or another editor could close the discussion as a Speedy Keep (if there were no arguments to Delete). Then, a discussion about a possible Merge could occur on the article talk page. But to close with another outcome besides Keep is a conflict-of-interest as it by passes gathering consensus.

However, I see in your closure statement that you did choose to withdraw your nomination, so I've reclosed the AFD as a Speedy Keep. I know this might seem bureaucratic but unorthodox closures are vulnerable to being challenged at Wikipedia:Deletion review, and that is a process that I think is best avoided if possible! I hope you understand why we have to do this by-the-book. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:03, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Liz: Would it be possible to reopen the AfD then? Withdraw the withdrawal? And I'd then leave a comment suggesting merging. Given how obscure the article is, a discussion on the talk page is extremely unlikely to attract any attention. --Un assiolo (talk) 11:33, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I would like to bring this discussion to your attention; what do you think about it? JacktheBrown (talk) 00:42, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@JacktheBrown: Both of the requested moves are closed, not sure what you want me to do. "Panzerotto" would obviously be more correct, but evidently it's not the common name in English. I am not familiar with zeppole so I don't know what the natural-sounding title would be. --Un assiolo (talk) 20:18, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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fritule they are usually talked about in the plural, then the plural form might actually be a better title. In that case it would (if I had my way) be used as a plural, not as a singular with the plural "panzerottis". And I guess we disagree on whether the plural form is preferable, even when the food is always encountered in groups, as with fritule. I must say I found your opposition to the frittella/frittelle move peculiar. I chalked it up to you being unfamiliar with them, perhaps coming from a region where they are not eaten, but I later saw you were from Friuli Venezia Giulia, so you must surely be very familiar with them. Does it really not seem strange to you to talk about a single frittella/fritola/whatever you call it? Maybe it's different in Italy, but where I'm from I think everyone would agree that talking about a singular fritula is strange. I assumed, based on the fact that nearly all mentions of Italian frittelle/fritole I found online are in the plural, that the situation in Italy is the same, but maybe it's a cultural difference. --Un assiolo (talk) 18:15, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply

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You're right; consulting Il cucchiaio d'argento, it's in the plural ([1]). If you decide to create a new move request, I will support you. JacktheBrown (talk) 19:23, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@JacktheBrown: There were two messages, it seems you missed the one about the sopressa/soppressata merge proposal. --Un assiolo (talk) 20:15, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Would you like to create a new move request on the frittella page? JacktheBrown (talk) 13:25, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@JacktheBrown: I am hesitant to redo the exact same requested move after only a month. Thoughts on frittelle versus frìtołe/frìtole/fritole? See my comment at Talk:Frittella_(doughnut)#Requested_move_14_August_2024. --Un assiolo (talk) 14:24, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If you want, you can wait another month for the request. JacktheBrown (talk) 18:33, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, since you're very good at merging pages would you take care of this? Thank you very much in any case. JacktheBrown (talk) 20:15, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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sopressa articles without an enwiki equivalent? (The extremely complicated interlanguage link situation is why I haven't merged the numerous articles covering different names for polenta; see Talk:Polenta.) --Un assiolo (talk) 17:14, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply

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Hi. Not to convince you to do it, but since, in my opinion, you're the best at merging pages, I ask you if you want to take care of merging the marinara sauce page to alla marinara (the same job you did with the white pizza and the pizza bianca); marinara sauce is a variant of the cooking method of alla marinara, so obviously the origin section refers to alla marinara (Italy) and not marinara sauce (variant of the cooking method, Italian-American cuisine). See: [2]. JacktheBrown (talk) 18:58, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Alla marinara. --Un assiolo (talk) 17:54, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply

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Hi mate. Considering that the salumi page is short, could you please split it into the Italian cuisine article? Thanks in advance. JacktheBrown (talk) 16:04, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@JacktheBrown: It's true that salumi is mostly just a list with little prose content, but the list itself seems useful and I think it would be too much detail to include the whole list in Italian cuisine. Have you considered expanding salumi? (This would be a merge, not a split. You'll get it eventually.) --Un assiolo (talk) 18:20, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Not the whole list. JacktheBrown (talk) 18:22, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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WP:BLAR). --Un assiolo (talk) 19:41, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply

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Merge the list into Italian cuisine without, obviously, the bulleted list; delete etymology (if I'm not mistaken, the same etymology is present in salami); and, finally, delete the salumi page. JacktheBrown (talk) 12:11, 20 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@JacktheBrown: You mean reorganize the list into prose and then add that to Italian cuisine? Where would you put it? Italian_cuisine#Meats? I'm not sure if that amount of detail is appropriate for what is meant to be a broad overview article, and to be honest, I see nothing wrong with salumi in its current form, except that it's a bit bare-bones and could be expanded. --Un assiolo (talk) 18:28, 20 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Reply to "that amount of detail": for us Italians, salumi (prosciutto, salami, mortadella, speck, etc.) are an important part of Italian cuisine. JacktheBrown (talk) 20:37, 20 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@JacktheBrown: Why don't you add the content to Italian cuisine and I'll redirect salumi when you're done? --Un assiolo (talk) 18:05, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

What if we rename the salumi page to "list of salumi"? It's a list. Then we would keep both the list and some lines in the Italian cuisine article. JacktheBrown (talk) 18:14, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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You are free to add more content on salumi to Italian cuisine, but I won't be able to help very much because I'm busy and doing it properly would take a while. --Un assiolo (talk) 18:35, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]