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The result was no consensus. No consensus has formed from this discussion, which has received adequate input. This close does not preclude renomination of articles separately or in a bundled format. In the case of the latter, bundling with a lesser amount of articles would be functional, such as by sport type, to better-enable community input without users having to delineate between a high quantity of articles. North America1000 05:11, 17 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Athletics at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's 100 metres

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Very similar to a recently closed AfD (

WP:NOTSTATSBOOK applies. Give me a bit; I'm going to nominate the lot of them under this AfD discussion. ~ RobTalk 12:05, 9 July 2015 (UTC)[reply
]

With the deepest of sympathies to whoever closes this discussion, I nominate the following articles as well. Please note that they are all extremely similar in content, with main pages existing separately that cover primary results, and the additional information on these pages consisting primarily of additional statistics. It seems all of them have only primary sources, as well. These can all be handled in the main articles. ~ RobTalk 13:05, 9 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Athletics at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's 200 metres
  • Athletics at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's 400 metres
  • Athletics at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's 800 metres
  • Athletics at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's 1500 metres
  • Athletics at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's 5000 metres
  • Athletics at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's 10,000 metres
  • Athletics at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's 3000 metres steeplechase
  • Athletics at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's marathon
  • Athletics at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's 20 kilometres walk
  • Athletics at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's hammer throw
  • Athletics at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's 5000 metres
  • Athletics at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's 10,000 metres
  • Athletics at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's 3000 metres steeplechase
  • Athletics at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's marathon
  • Athletics at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's 20 kilometres walk
  • Athletics at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's long jump
  • Diving at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's 3 metre springboard
  • Diving at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's 10 metre platform
  • Diving at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's synchronized 3 metre springboard
  • Diving at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's synchronized 10 metre platform
  • Diving at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's 3 metre springboard
  • Diving at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's 10 metre platform
  • Diving at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's synchronized 3 metre springboard
  • Diving at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's synchronized 10 metre platform
  • Swimming at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's 50 metre freestyle
  • Swimming at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's 100 metre freestyle
  • Swimming at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's 200 metre freestyle
  • Swimming at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's 400 metre freestyle
  • Swimming at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's 1500 metre freestyle
  • Swimming at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's 50 metre backstroke
  • Swimming at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's 100 metre backstroke
  • Swimming at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's 200 metre backstroke
  • Swimming at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's 50 metre breaststroke
  • Swimming at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's 100 metre breaststroke
  • Swimming at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's 200 metre breaststroke
  • Swimming at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's 50 metre butterfly
  • Swimming at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's 100 metre butterfly
  • Swimming at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's 200 metre butterfly
  • Swimming at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's 200 metre individual medley
  • Swimming at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's 400 metre individual medley
  • Swimming at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's 4 × 100 metre freestyle relay
  • Swimming at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's 4 × 200 metre freestyle relay
  • Swimming at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's 4 × 100 metre medley relay
  • Swimming at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's 50 metre freestyle
  • Swimming at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's 100 metre freestyle
  • Swimming at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's 200 metre freestyle
  • Swimming at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's 400 metre freestyle
  • Swimming at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's 800 metre freestyle
  • Swimming at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's 50 metre backstroke
  • Swimming at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's 100 metre backstroke
  • Swimming at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's 200 metre backstroke
  • Swimming at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's 50 metre breaststroke
  • Swimming at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's 100 metre breaststroke
  • Swimming at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's 200 metre breaststroke
  • Swimming at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's 50 metre butterfly
  • Swimming at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's 100 metre butterfly
  • Swimming at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's 200 metre butterfly
  • Swimming at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's 200 metre individual medley
  • Swimming at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's 400 metre individual medley
  • Swimming at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's 4 × 100 metre freestyle relay
  • Swimming at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's 4 × 200 metre freestyle relay
  • Swimming at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's 4 × 100 metre medley relay
  • Synchronised swimming at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's free combination
  • Synchronised swimming at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's team
  • Synchronised swimming at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's duet
  • Water polo at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's tournament
  • Water polo at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's tournament
  • Badminton at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's singles
  • Badminton at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's singles
  • Badminton at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's doubles
  • Badminton at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's doubles
  • Badminton at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Mixed doubles
  • Badminton at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's team
  • Badminton at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's team
  • Basketball at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's tournament
  • Basketball at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's tournament
  • Canoeing at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's C-1 200 metres
  • Canoeing at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's C-1 1000 metres
  • Canoeing at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's C-2 200 metres
  • Canoeing at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's C-2 1000 metres
  • Canoeing at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's K-1 200 metres
  • Canoeing at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's K-1 1000 metres
  • Canoeing at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's K-2 200 metres
  • Canoeing at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's K-2 1000 metres
  • Canoeing at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's K-4 200 metres
  • Canoeing at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's K-4 1000 metres
  • Canoeing at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's C-1 200 metres
  • Canoeing at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's K-1 200 metres
  • Canoeing at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's K-1 500 metres
  • Canoeing at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's K-2 200 metres
  • Canoeing at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's K-2 500 metres
  • Canoeing at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's K-4 200 metres
  • Canoeing at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's K-4 500 metres
  • Fencing at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's épée
  • Fencing at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's team épée
  • Fencing at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's foil
  • Fencing at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's team foil
  • Fencing at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's sabre
  • Fencing at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's team sabre
  • Fencing at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's épée
  • Fencing at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's team épée
  • Fencing at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's foil
  • Fencing at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's team foil
  • Fencing at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's sabre
  • Fencing at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's team sabre
  • Floorball at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's tournament
  • Floorball at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's tournament
  • Gymnastics at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's artistic team
  • Gymnastics at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's artistic individual all-around
  • Gymnastics at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's floor
  • Gymnastics at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's pommel horse
  • Gymnastics at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's rings
  • Gymnastics at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's vault
  • Gymnastics at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's parallel bars
  • Gymnastics at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's horizontal bar
  • Gymnastics at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's artistic team
  • Gymnastics at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's artistic individual all-around
  • Gymnastics at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's vault
  • Gymnastics at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's uneven bars
  • Gymnastics at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's balance beam
  • Gymnastics at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's floor
  • Gymnastics at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's rhythmic group all-around
  • Gymnastics at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's rhythmic individual all-around
  • Rugby sevens at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's tournament
  • Rugby sevens at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's tournament
  • Sailing at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's Laser Standard
  • Sailing at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's 470
  • Sailing at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's Windsurfing RS:X
  • Sailing at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's Optimist
  • Sailing at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's Match Racing Keelboat
  • Sailing at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's Laser Radial
  • Sailing at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's 420
  • Sailing at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's Fleet Racing Keelboat
  • Sailing at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's Team Racing Laser Standard
  • Sailing at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's Laser Radial
  • Sailing at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's 470
  • Sailing at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's Windsurfing RS:X
  • Sailing at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's Skiff 49er FX
  • Sailing at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's Optimist
  • Sailing at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's Match Racing Keelboat
  • Sailing at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's Youth Laser Radial
  • Sailing at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's 420
  • Sailing at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's Fleet Racing Keelboat
  • Sailing at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's Team Racing Laser Radial
  • Sailing at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Team Racing Optimist
  • Softball at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men
  • Softball at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women
  • Squash at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's team
  • Squash at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's team
  • Table tennis at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's singles
  • Table tennis at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's doubles
  • Table tennis at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's team
  • Table tennis at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's singles
  • Table tennis at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's doubles
  • Table tennis at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's team
  • Table tennis at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Mixed doubles
  • Tennis at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's Singles
  • Tennis at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's Doubles
  • Tennis at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's Team
  • Tennis at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's Singles
  • Tennis at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's Doubles
  • Tennis at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's Team
  • Tennis at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Mixed Doubles
  • Volleyball at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men
  • Volleyball at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women
  • Wushu at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's changquan
  • Wushu at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's weapons
  • Wushu at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's barehand
  • Wushu at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's nanquan
  • Wushu at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's taijiquan
  • Wushu at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's compulsory taijiquan
  • Wushu at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's taijijian
  • Wushu at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's broadsword
  • Wushu at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's cudgel
  • Wushu at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's sanda 60 kg
  • Wushu at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's sanda 65 kg
  • Wushu at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's changquan
  • Wushu at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's weapons
  • Wushu at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's barehand
  • Wushu at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's nanquan
  • Wushu at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's taijiquan
  • Wushu at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's compulsory taijiquan
  • Wushu at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's taijijian
  • Wushu at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's straight sword
  • Wushu at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's spear
  • Delete all I like the sound of some of these events - Women's weapons; Men's cudgel; Women's Youth Laser Radial;&c. But I agree with the nomination that these pages are too detailed and statistical in nature. The summary level articles such as
    Gymnastics at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games seem ample and even they don't have any evidence that this stuff is notable. Andrew D. (talk) 18:01, 9 July 2015 (UTC)[reply
    ]

This is just a bit lazy. Oppose. – It may well be that most of "this stuff" is overly detailed and better covered at the summary level, so you're probably 95% right, but that doesn't quite cover deleting all of the 180-odd pages on the copy'n'paste list suppplied by the nominator.
For a start, it's not relevant whether the summary level articles "have any evidence that this stuff is notable" or not. Notabilty is a function of the subject regardless of the adequacy of the article. There are numerous secondary sources to be found about
More to the point, though, sufficient secondary sources exist for the SEA Games team sports tournaments:

Women's basketball:

Women's volleyball (I won't bother with listing the men's versions - the sources will exist):

Women's Rugby

Women's water polo

Women's floorball (I don't know much about this but it seemed to have made the webnews in the UK and Australia):

I propose that the following pages at a minimum be removed from the AfD list. -- Ham105 (talk) 01:14, 10 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Volleyball at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men
  • Volleyball at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women
  • Softball at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men
  • Softball at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women
  • Rugby sevens at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's tournament
  • Rugby sevens at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's tournament
  • Floorball at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's tournament
  • Floorball at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's tournament
  • Water polo at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's tournament
  • Water polo at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's tournament

It comes down to basic questions such as whether the subject is notable and (if so) whether it makes sense to be on it's own page or merged into another article. Separate men's and women's tournament pages have been commonly used for team sports at multi-sport events. Is there a consensus now to merge these pages? The difference between having one page or two is minor — what I oppose is a blanket "Delete all" of the contents.

WP:NOTSTATBOOK
goes to excessive or indiscriminate listing of statistics. A few dozen match results is hardly that.

In terms of notability, these are tournaments for national teams which generate significant independent coverage within the region. Foreign media outlets also cover these events, as in this story about calls for gender testing in the Southeast Asian Games women's volleyball tournament.

As stated in my reply to

WP:NOTE, the content of the articles and whether or not the pages are well cited does not affect this notability of the subject. -- Ham105 (talk) 10:31, 10 July 2015 (UTC)[reply
]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sports-related deletion discussions. North America1000 21:43, 9 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions. North America1000 21:43, 9 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Asia-related deletion discussions. North America1000 21:43, 9 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Singapore-related deletion discussions. North America1000 21:43, 9 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Martial arts-related deletion discussions. Peter Rehse (talk) 08:08, 10 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Point of order: By the way I'm reading "These can all be handled in the main articles", this means it's not really a "delete" vote, where everything would be gone, but a "merge" vote to put all of the information to main <sports> in the Southeast Asian Games article. Am I right? If I'm right, then does the "delete all per nom" votes which aren't from the nominator invalid? –HTD 15:21, 10 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I don't read it as a Merge vote but the notable information (i.e.. Medal winners) is already summarized in the main article).Peter Rehse (talk) 15:34, 10 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
PRehse is correct. The medal winners are summarized in the main article, and honestly, that's all that's needed for this level of competition. Dates/times of specific events and the name of that one guy who earned 394th place aren't necessary. Thank you for asking for clarification; I should have been much more clear. ~ RobTalk 17:31, 10 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete all. At the level of competition the level of detail is far too much. In all cases the notable information is already in the summary article.Peter Rehse (talk) 15:33, 10 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep men's basketball as I should have expanded it well enough to satisfy notability concerns. I'd see what I can do with women's basketball and both volleyball tournaments... –HTD 19:05, 10 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge to sport level results pages, along the lines of
    Athletics at the 2009 Southeast Asian Games. SFB 21:57, 10 July 2015 (UTC)[reply
    ]

  • Volleyball at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men
  • Volleyball at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women
  • Softball at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men
  • Softball at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women
  • Rugby sevens at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's tournament
  • Rugby sevens at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's tournament
  • Floorball at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's tournament
  • Floorball at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's tournament
  • Water polo at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's tournament
  • Water polo at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's tournament
  • Basketball at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Men's tournament
  • Basketball at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games – Women's tournament
  • So it took ages and the concern is that the effort put in might possibly go to waste? ... Interesting.
(– I'm just joking, and support the Split debates). Per SFB, most can be covered at sport level pages. -- Ham105 (talk) 06:08, 11 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • @
    Floorball at the 2015 Southeast Asian Games has very little information (3,535 bytes), as have the men's and women's tournament articles (<10KB). I don't think there is potential for extensive expansion on the information already there (maybe just some brief game descriptions). The additional Men/Women tournament bifurcations actually make this information more difficult to read as it could easily be done so on one page. I think we should merge all the above articles in the most appropriate way (i.e. to the main article when little information, to a " – Results" article if that would disrupt the readability of the main. SFB 11:21, 11 July 2015 (UTC)[reply
    ]

  • Comment I think the whole thing should be withdrawn, with an RfC raised to establish which of these type of multi-sport/multi-country games should have detail down to this level. Technically only the Olympics are covered currently (although WP:GNG should beat this guide if push came to shove). Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 16:47, 11 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep all the information, if necessary by merging. Where articles will be too long after merging (for instance table tennis, badminton, tennis) please keep the current situation. For very short articles merging would be a way to go. Also look at the way the sports are doing it in other games like Olympics or PanAm Games. For the mentioned sports it is very common, to split games results into the single disciplines because there are very long results sections. --Florentyna (talk) 10:49, 12 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • How do you reconcile keeping the detailed information with
    WP:NOTSTATSBOOK? ~ RobTalk 11:17, 12 July 2015 (UTC)[reply
    ]
  • @BU Rob13: I think point #3 linked through NOTSTATSBOOK actually provides a good basis for merging to a single results page per sport (the Presidential article examples are a very good parallel). Once contextualised with a bit more prose, this type of information clearly passes that threshold. On that reading, arguably the issue is over the standard of prose in the above articles and less so that these statistics are indiscriminate, sprawling or unreadable (I certainly don't find that the case). SFB 23:39, 12 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Regrettably, this should be a procedural keep. I'll renominate in smaller bits over a long period of time to avoid spamming the AfD system, even if I believe the discussions will evolve in essentially the same way. ~ RobTalk 11:18, 12 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
More like a procedural No consensus. Saw this coming with too many all at once. It was far easier with located here where the excess was clear.Peter Rehse (talk) 11:26, 12 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I understand the sentiment behind this mass nomination, but I think it should have been broken up into smaller chunks. I would make the general comment that, unless an unusual amount of coverage can be shown, I would recommend all individual event articles be deleted. I think one article per sport can probably be justified. I think it's also important to remember that these aren't even a continental games we're talking about. Papaursa (talk) 20:19, 12 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep All: I've found the source of the article on sport
    2015 Southeast Asian Games very accurate. Why did you delete the article on sport 2015 Southeast Asian Games? Do you want to message alerts about sports article 2015 Southeast Asian Games of me? Boyconga278 (talk) 18:04, 13 July 2015 (UTC)[reply
    ]
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