Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Calaquendi

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The coverage I can find of this group is limited to the scope of the Sundering of the Elves. There doesn't seem to be a whole lot of coverage of this term itself in secondary sources, most of what I can find uses Calaquendi incidentally in mentions of various things the Elves did. I don't have access to many secondary print sources about Tolkien's works, although David Day's Tolkien: An Illustrated Atlas, which I do have a copy of, does not seem to mention this. I'm willing to withdraw this nomination if it turns out Tom Shippey or another major Tolkien scholar gave this coverage. However, I can't find the sort of coverage that would warrant a stand-alone article - it's all about the Sundering of the Elves. Again, if I'm missing something, willing to withdraw this. Hog Farm (talk) 00:22, 10 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. Hog Farm (talk) 00:22, 10 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Science fiction and fantasy-related deletion discussions. Hog Farm (talk) 00:22, 10 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Literature-related deletion discussions. Hog Farm (talk) 00:22, 10 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Redirect or merge. In the
  Tolkien Encyclopedia, the entry on Elves is followed by "ELVES: KINDREDS AND MIGRATIONS by Matthew T. Dickerson (I find it strange that there are three sections on elves, the third one is called ELVES: REINCARNATION; confusing layout if you ask me). Anyway, Dickerson has a subsection on "Overview: Calaquendi and Moriquendi" but that section is low quality - almost entirely descriptive. The topic, despite being in the section subtitle, is mentioned only in a single sentence ". Those who complete the journey are known as the Calaquendi, or ‘‘Elves of the Light,’’" and then twice in passing. I totally agree this topic has no stand-alone notability, and a redirect (merge?) to Sundering of the Elves is a good idea. (Whether that topic is notable that's another discussion; I'll note here that TE does not have an entry of this topic and the very phrase "sundering of the Elves" is mentioned only one in the entire volume (as "sundering of the Elvish people", if we want to be precise...)--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 05:43, 10 April 2020 (UTC)[reply
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• Redirect to Sundering of the Elves. The article contains only primary sources, so no sign of a GNG source there. Doing a search through Google Scholar, I could find only one source than provides coverage that is not in-universe and not in passing, this:[1] which primarily does not use the name Calaquendi to describe the race, instead using the word ljosalfar. All other sources I could access were either passing mentions or were in-universe information, and therefore this topic does not pass GNG. Since the secondary source provided is not in the article, and the article itself consists entirely of in-universe information, a Merge is not appropriate here. Devonian Wombat (talk) 09:12, 10 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to Sundering of the Elves I found no indication that the Calaquendi have been seriously studied. ―Susmuffin ^Talk 12:32, 10 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• I now support Chiswick Chap's idea. ―Susmuffin ^Talk 16:10, 10 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Redirect to
  Elf (Middle-earth)#Sundering. There are mentions in scholarly sources, but the upshot is that Tolkien was playing about with his Elvish languages and wanted a world for them, so divided and subdivided his Elves to match the linguistic shifts and (ho, ho) to explain the Light and Dark Elves of Norse mythology. We can say all that in the Elf article. Chiswick Chap (talk) 15:57, 10 April 2020 (UTC)[reply
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