Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chandos Hoskyns (British soldier)

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Doesn't meet

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 01:16, 30 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete fails
  WP:GNG. Mztourist (talk) 03:01, 30 November 2020 (UTC)[reply
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• Comment As a Lieutenant General isn’t he presumed notable? Mccapra (talk) 05:12, 30 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• He would be, if he wasn't a lieutenant colonel. Clarityfiend (talk) 05:28, 30 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Time for a visit to the opticians. Mccapra (talk) 12:11, 30 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per nom. No significant awards either. Clarityfiend (talk) 05:29, 30 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United Kingdom-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 07:23, 30 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep The obituary in The Times and other coverage such as the Imperial War Museum and the extensive accounts of the
  alternatives to deletion applies: "If editing can improve the page, this should be done rather than deleting the page." Andrew🐉(talk) 10:39, 30 November 2020 (UTC)[reply
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• Keep The Times obituary and coverage in books about the Siege of Calais and Rifle Brigade histories meet
  WP:GNG requirements, regardless of the significance of the battle. Since GNG is met, NOTMEMORIAL does not apply here. Kges1901 (talk) 18:48, 30 November 2020 (UTC)[reply
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• Keep The Times has two promising results. [1] [2] I agree that if his actions are covered in books, and he part of a notable event, plus the Imperial War Museum believes him notable, then he is notable enough to have a Wikipedia article. Dream Focus 11:14, 1 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment. Meeting GNG is sketchy here. The museum has his papers, and a paragraph of biography, same for what I see in books. Is a paragraph enough to meet GNG requirement of in-depth coverage? This is very borderline and I could vote weak keep or delete either way, hence - abstain. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 11:20, 2 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• The essential quality of sources is not their length but their
  verbiage... Andrew🐉(talk) 11:55, 2 December 2020 (UTC)[reply
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• Keep. While The Times obituary is a short one, it is far more than a mere notice of death and is accompanied by a tribute. I think these push him over the notability threshold. -- Necrothesp (talk) 11:53, 2 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Yes, no clear awards, if not then many other similar lieutenant colonels, wing commanders and commanders during his time should be written and kept. BlueD954 talk) 15:46, 3 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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logical fallacies all. We are discussing this article. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 15:16, 4 December 2020 (UTC)[reply

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• Keep
  WP:HEY. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 12:31, 4 December 2020 (UTC)[reply
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• Comment It is interesting to compare the current FA with this topic as it was mostly written by the nominator. That article is about a formation that seems to have existed mainly on paper. When it came to the crunch, it appears that its disaffected conscripts either didn't show up, deserted or surrendered at the first convenient opportunity. We are told that its "notable commander" was Dragoslav Stefanović but there isn't an article about them even though they were nominally a general. It's not clear that that person ever saw action or did anything worth recording. The article is silent on many other details such as the number of horses in the formation and the manner in which they were supposed to fight – as dismounted infantry, with lances, sabres or whatever. This demonstrates that military effectiveness and history is not just a matter of the amount of gold braid that you have but that fighting spirit and devotion to duty are essential. Chandos Hoskyns fought and was wounded in both world wars and we have comparatively good accounts of this. We should not delete such a well-documented soldier while reserving a place for Dragoslav Stefanović because the latter nominally outranked him. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:25, 6 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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