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The result was no consensus‎ with no prejudice to renomination as per scope_creep's last comment. Daniel (talk) 01:03, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Chawarin Perdpiriyawong

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Bit part actor who started work yesterday. No indication of significance. Fails

WP:SIGCOV. Refs are PR, profiles and interviews. scope_creepTalk 11:59, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply
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Comment Not commenting on the sources but for his notability, as
WP:SINGER he's had (at least) a song charting on a national music chart [1] (link found there [2]) BloubDeFontenilles (talk) 15:22, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply
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That helps, I'm assuming there is more coverage of the individual in Thai sources. I can find a few mentions in the Pinoy press, and much coverage of this individual in the "Boy Love" genre, which seems to be very popular in Thailand. Oaktree b (talk) 16:33, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep: Source 4 in the article seems reliable. Rest are somewhat trivial, we have more than enough though to build out the article. Having a charted single in also contributing to notability. The individual is also mentioned in Filipino sources and in Singapore, suggesting broad popularity across that corner of the world. The individual seems to pass notability requirements. Oaktree b (talk) 16:36, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Actors and filmmakers, Television, and Thailand. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 16:46, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Ref 4 may be reliable but its not significant. It is an interview, stating in the article "Get to know Nunew Chawarin". It reads like a PR piece, nothing more. That is whole problem with the article. The guy hasn't done a thing. All the coverage is PR and inteviews. There is nothing significant. scope_creepTalk 17:45, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Winner of multiple awards, such as Manimekhala Awards (which is a rebirth of Mekhala Awards which was a top award for TV in Thailand), Nataraj Awards (a prestigious award). I think nominator should also check out Category:Newspapers published in Thailand. Many sources cite as references are well-known newspapers. Before Internet days, those had circulations over hundred thousands, some even reached 1 million copies per day like Thairath. ( --Lerdsuwa (talk) 04:40, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Sure, the original Mekhala Awards were prestigious and the awardees were decided by a panel. This is a different type of award. It a popular vote award, meaning anybody can phone in or vote by app to vote. The downside of the award presentation in 2022 was one of the countries leading actors who has been internationally recognised got 14 votes while this dude got thousands. So its not a good award and can't be used to establish notability. On top of that is based on attraction, more than anything else by its own admission and that is not a good metric to determine if somebody is notable. Model articles are deleted right, left and centre on here for exactly that reason. Also, it hasn't got a wikipedia article. Also paper circulation size is no indication of quality either. The Daily Mail which is banned on here, because its crap has got a readership of 2 million odd on any one day. So that makes no sense either. Well will look at all these PR references in the next day. scope_creepTalk 11:24, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Only 5 catergories of Mekhala Awards have popularity vote as seen from the description of this post https://www.facebook.com/ManeeMaekkala2022/photos/a.100878265953558/144850098223041/. The Outstanding Y Couple Award do have popularity vote and he came out second according to vote result https://www.facebook.com/ManeeMaekkala2022/posts/pfbid023fHBttZXkaxyyuE8chKxBTka7hnBHodnKQ18mdBnT1WDeT4ai4C6VgYz6iqNYeEl but get the Outstanding award. (I think they pick outstanding award recipient to be different from popular one). I don't see New Star – Y Series award in the voting so the award is based on merit alone. --Lerdsuwa (talk) 02:49, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I was going on what it was actually saying on the competition site not on a facebook post. scope_creepTalk 05:32, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
May I know the website address of the competition site? --Lerdsuwa (talk) 10:26, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 23:14, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep. A popular figure with a very large following in the market he's active in. I'm not sure why profile pieces and celebrity news should be inadmissible as references to establish notability; if that were the case we wouldn't have any references for a large number of celebrity biographies. While they're not particularly high-effort pieces of journalism, profile pieces by major news sites serve as an indicator of public interest, and these ones by Kom Chad Luek (Oct 2022), Sanook (Mar 2023) and INN News (Sep 2023) all provide overviews of the subject's career in the writers' own voices. And while the content of interviews don't usually count as a secondary source, having major interviews conducted by multiple established publications can also serve as an indicator of interest, with commentary from the interviewers that taken together can partly contribute to notability. These include the Thairath piece mentioned above (Jun 2022), (The Standard (31 Aug 2023), and Woody Milintachinda (Oct 2022 and Sep 2023). The subject has also been featured in traditional glossy magazines L'Officiel Thailand (Apr 2022) and Praew (Jul 2022). In any case, he should meet
    WP:NACTOR #1, having had starring roles in the TV series Cutie Pie and the film After Sundown, the latter of which lacks an article but should be notable by way of reviews in The Standard and Sanook. --Paul_012 (talk) 19:19, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply
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That is an interesting comment you've made on profile pieces which are the majority of these references. The thing that lets me down, in a reflection of the type of comments you've made in the past in similar Afd's, is the fact that you seem to disregard and indeed wholly ignore the huge effect PR agencies make in shaping public perceptions of a particular individual, to try and ensure that person has a successful career in the media. In the article above: [3], choosen for particular reason, it states in the opening sentence "Get to know Nunew Chawarin, a new actor who is famous from the Cutie Pie series", a typical PR agency statement. The article has statement that indicates that its a PR agency. This one: [4], all of it is from social media. Are we supposed to suspend disbelief here due to an argument of quanity meets quality at some level. I don't think so. We will go all the references in the first block today or tommorrow. scope_creepTalk 08:46, 10 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Your tendency to oversimplify and draw unproven conclusions suggest that you don't have a good enough understanding of how Thai entertainment reporting works, or are purposefully ignoring the nuances for argument's sake. That is simply the style of writing used by entertainment reporters. Yes, they often have close connections with celebrities and their agents, which sometimes makes ascertaining their independence difficult, but nothing in those pieces have anything to indicate direct PR material. For an example of actual PR material, the first Thai Post citation in the article is basically identical to this piece on Sanook. This clearly indicates it's a PR piece (and the language is quite clear for native Thai readers). It's unfortunate that it's usual practice in Thai entertainment news not to clearly label these supplied PR pieces, but that in no way means that they contain nothing but PR. They also do original reporting, which the Thairath interview clearly is. --Paul_012 (talk) 10:04, 10 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The Thai newspapers industry is graded like every other industry. I'll look at everyone of these newspapers along with the references, today or tommorrow. Trying to qualify this argument as though that make is ok is disengeous and dishonest, particularly on a paid article. scope_creepTalk 10:27, 10 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Este actor y cantante es uno de los más reconocidos actualmente en Tailandia a pesar de que su primera serie fuera transmitida en 2022 ha alcanzado numerosos premios como actor y cantante otorgados por especialistas. Es solicitado para interpretar OST de diferentes series. Sus fans son numerosos en Tailandia y en el extranjero. 152.207.147.61 (talk) 02:42, 12 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Translation. For convenience, here is a Google translation of the above message. If anyone with a knowledge of Spanish notices errors in Google's effort, please post corrections. JBW (talk) 12:29, 12 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
This actor and singer is one of the most recognized currently in Thailand, despite the fact that his first series was broadcast in 2022, he has achieved numerous awards as an actor and singer awarded by specialists. He is requested to perform OSTs from different series. His fans are numerous in Thailand and abroad.
  • Comment I think it will no-consensus !vote at best with 4 keep !votes. I don't see the point of doing a source analysis. I don't have the time at the moment leading up to Christmas. I do intend to do a source review in the article and remove anything that is low-quality or non-standard. If it comes to it that what is left is junk then I will renominate, but can't do anything at the moment. scope_creepTalk 23:48, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Doczilla Ohhhhhh, no! 07:09, 16 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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