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The result was delete and redirect to

Spartaz Humbug! 05:07, 30 April 2020 (UTC)[reply
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Coronavirus pandemic anti-Muslim riots in India

Title changed to: Anti-Muslim reactions to the Coronavirus Pandemic in India

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WP:HOAX as well, because AFAIK no "riots" have occurred, nor they have been mentioned but the article title, category, infobox, and lead claims that "riots" are occurring. Tessaracter (talk) 14:57, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply
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Note: This discussion has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 14:59, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Discrimination-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 14:59, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Islam-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 14:59, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of COVID-19-related deletion discussions.Shellwood (talk) 15:08, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep there is no reason to delete this article as it is cited with foreign news sources. Every time, both Pakistan and India are blaming each other. Keeping this situation in mind, i have not cited the said article with Pakistan news sources. In fact, Indian media has also reported violence-related news.
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India is a democratic country. Obviously you are going to see all types of reports from just every part of the world no matter what happens in India. But the fact that you are simply cherry picking sources or hyping up the extent of the impact of a subject that already exists and is relatively small in size, is violation of
WP:POVFORK. Aman Kumar Goel (Talk) 16:01, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply
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Please note, Wikipedia is not about our personal opinions, but it is "based on real occurrences". See
WP:FAPO. TheBirdsShedTears (talk) 17:08, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply
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Those essays are exactly opposite to the POV pushing you have done here since no "riots" took place. You are only justifying the nominator's reasoning that you have indeed falsified content for creating this article. Aman Kumar Goel (Talk) 18:25, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Is this your personal opinion? TheBirdsShedTears (talk) 18:32, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
5 pillars of Wikipedia. Are we going to create separate page to include information like Muslims attacked Indian Police and health workers? There are multiple reports regarding it. Brihaspati (talk) 03:30, 22 April 2020 (UTC)[reply
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  • Keep - The title certainly doesn't seem to match the content, but
    that can be fixed. The article also needs to be copy-edited for non-neutral language. However, I'm suprised anyone would argue this topic is not notable. The topic has received extensive international coverage (you can see the sources in the article) and the current one-line descriptions in some articles are not sufficient. --MrClog (talk) 17:14, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply
    ]
Yes, I'd have opted for something else, but now that's it's not directly wrong and inflammatory, it's not a critical shift Nosebagbear (talk) 22:47, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Just a follow-up comment, I think having multiple news articles from reliable international sources such as The New York Times, BBC, Time, and The Guardian shows that the article clearly passes
WP:EVENTCRIT. -- LuK3 (Talk) 13:09, 22 April 2020 (UTC)[reply
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I agree with that. The article should be renamed as soon as possible to avoid misinformation. --MarioGom (talk) 20:50, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. This article is a HOAX. No "ongoing" riots in India. All Covid patients are being treated in government hospitals irrespective of religion. This is a defamation article. — Utkarshkrsh (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. The preceding unsigned comment was added at 21:23, 21 April 2020 (UTC) (UTC).[reply]
  • Keep, I have renamed the article and removed some of the worst NPOV violations. Now that this has been done, I think the article should be kept since this is clearly is a topic that passes GNG, with it having extensive coverage in reliable international sources. Devonian Wombat (talk) 21:51, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Devonian Wombat, shouldn't "Coronavirus Pandemic" be lowercase? All of the other titles containing the phrase have been lowercase. -- LuK3 (Talk) 23:40, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Before you use the word "Hoax", one should spare a moment to familiarize what does it actually used for and where. It might look a "factually incorrect" article to editor(s) this is because of this. TheBirdsShedTears (talk) 15:38, 22 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • It is a difficult tast for me to ping everyone on my old phone. For those who tend to strive
    WP:WIARM. It is a very helpful page. TheBirdsShedTears (talk) 15:38, 22 April 2020 (UTC)[reply
    ]
@TheBirdsShedTears: - why should IAR be applied here? If you're stating IAR is the applicable rule, that suggests you're conceding that it is a POVFORK. In which case, why is it so special that IAR should be used? We don't even split povforks on things like Trump's article. Nosebagbear (talk) 15:47, 22 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The edits made by users (in favour of deletion), has alomst neglected the core elements of the Wikipedia, therefore, it may be a good idea for them to avoid making edits while providing edit summary mentioning the Wikipedia rules there. Those edits are not less than "deceptive" ones. And what does "reactions" mean in the title? Is this really a reaction? Please explain. TheBirdsShedTears (talk) 16:30, 22 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Hemant Dabral: Please restore your edit at the 4th occurrence i.e "perps" parameter. You have almost violated the

WP:BESTSOURCES. TheBirdsShedTears (talk) 15:38, 22 April 2020 (UTC)[reply
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WP:PG. Thank you! TheBirdsShedTears (talk) 05:28, 23 April 2020 (UTC)[reply
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@Santoshsatvik: - I'd like to query why you mention riots at all? Nosebagbear (talk) 08:08, 23 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It is not less than a "riot". How many times should i provide evidences? Consensus can not be impacted by diverting the editors from the main topic. Please look at this TheBirdsShedTears (talk) 09:11, 23 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. There are enough
    Anti-Muslim reactions to the Coronavirus Pandemic in India and removing all references to "riots". --MarioGom (talk) 11:26, 23 April 2020 (UTC)[reply
    ]
  • Current version falsely claims there is existence of "religiously motivated attacks", "mob cases", "severe attacks on the minorities" and that makes it clear that the article is still dedicated to promote
    misinformation. After cutting up all such disinformation we would be left with nothing but comments about Twitter trolling which are not notable since Wikipedia is not for gossiping. Wareon (talk) 14:04, 23 April 2020 (UTC)[reply
    ]
@Wareon:, I don't think you have visited any of the following sources:

Note: I used the "(missing)" tag here to avoid adding the source text here as it could hurt ones patriotic feelings.

1). "governing party officials spoke of “human bombs” and “corona jihad” — a spree of anti-Muslim attacks has broken out across the country - assaulted with cricket bats, beaten up etc." source nytimes
2). "The pandemic has provided fresh opportunity for (missing) to beat down an already disadvantaged minority group." Source foreign policy.
3). "Outrage over a Muslim congregation that has sparked a new wave of Covid-19 cases in India has taken an Islamophobic turn." Source bbc
4). "anti-Muslim attacks has broken out across India" source nytimes.
5). "The hijacking of coronavirus as an excuse for discrimination comes after a growing state-sponsored campaign to turn minorities into second-class citizens in India, as part of the (missing) agenda of (missing)" Source the guardian.
6). "Panic and chaos have already set in across the country. A man hospitalized in New Delhi with COVID-19 symptoms committed suicide. A mob beat up another man in the western state of Maharashstra for sneezing in public." Source foreign affairs.
7). "The country’s Muslim minority population has since witnessed a string of attacks by (missing), accusing the (missing) of “corona jihad.” source VOA.

In fact, the current version is awaiting restoration to its previous version. One of the editors has removed the cited content and then ran away. They removed content from their talk page too. In case they do not reply to the request for comment, the edits may be reverted without notifying them upon community's approval. TheBirdsShedTears (talk) 15:15, 23 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Who ran away and where to? Hemant DabralTalk
  • Keep. Islamophobic reactions to the coronavirus pandemic in India have received widespread coverage. I found these with less than a minute of searching; Time magazine, BBC, Foreign Policy magazine, The Telegraph, Washington Post (an Op-Ed, but by a well-known enough journalist that it carries weight), Newsweek, Haaretz, New York Times. I would recommend retitling the article to "Islamophobic responses to the coronavirus pandemic in India", as that is the language most sources use. The closer ought to ignore the vast majority of !votes above, which have no basis in policy. Vanamonde (Talk) 16:28, 23 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    I'd also be okay with a merge, given that the length of both articles permits it; but it would have to be an actual merger, not a deletion by another name. The sources do seem to explore islamophobia as a reaction to the Tablighi Jamat mess. Vanamonde (Talk) 16:23, 24 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Op-ed by Rana Ayyub carries weight? She's well known for her anti-Hindu and pro-Islamist stance and that's the only weight carried by her. Her reportings of 2002 Gujarat Riots (culminated in a book 'The Gujarat Files') were rejected by the Supreme Court of India as a work of fiction. Since when op-eds became reliable, neutral and unbiased news source? Hemant DabralTalk 18:46, 23 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know who Ms. Ayyub is but even if her op-ed carries no weight, there are still 7 pieces of int'l coverage. --MrClog (talk) 19:00, 23 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Not a single Indian news media covered the alleged "riots and lynchings"? Not even the media outlets likes of NDTV, Scroll.in, The Hindu, The Print, The Wire etc.? All of them are well known for being staunch critics of current ruling party and their political ideology. Why not cite them too in the references? Hemant DabralTalk 06:43, 24 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I'm unsure what you are trying to say. --MrClog (talk) 17:46, 26 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Hemant Dabral: You may wish to see (this report) report published by an Indian news outlet. For violence-related, please see (this), (this), and (riot-like situation). All these sources are from those sites you wanted to see. TheBirdsShedTears (talk) 11:36, 27 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. The Keep comments don't hold water because hoaxes and conspiracy theories also get coverage in reliable sources. Being
    2020 Tablighi Jamaat coronavirus hotspot in Delhi, and as such this POVFORK lacks notability independent of that subject. Azuredivay (talk) 21:17, 23 April 2020 (UTC)[reply
    ]
    an argument to avoid. And the couple of sentences in the main article are not sufficient considering the size of international and broad coverage of the subject. MrClog (talk) 21:28, 23 April 2020 (UTC)[reply
    ]
    In your world
    bludgeoning AfD with your misleading observations. Azuredivay (talk) 01:36, 24 April 2020 (UTC)[reply
    ]
    WP:BLUD when I've responded to two arguments and both of these arguments were unique, so I wasn't simply repeating the same opinion. MrClog (talk) 08:28, 24 April 2020 (UTC)[reply
    ]

Comment/General note:

WP:RVAN. TheBirdsShedTears (talk) 05:01, 24 April 2020 (UTC)[reply
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I've got your message, I've read your message and I deleted it which I reserve the right to do on my user talk page.

Now coming to the editing part, I've edited the controversial

WP:POV parts of the article that's full of biases and personal views sourced from op-eds, targetting a particular community. Go ahead and make the change you desire as you've been talking for the last couple of days. Have I stopped you from reverting my edits? So go ahead and don't troll me about it on my talk page or in here. Hemant DabralTalk 06:31, 24 April 2020 (UTC)[reply
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Explain in detail who is funding me. Is it minorities or any other people, government or organization? or restrain from using such a blunt accusations. See
WP:PA TheBirdsShedTears (talk) 09:13, 24 April 2020 (UTC)[reply
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Comment: "Popele distributing food", and "People across country with no connection to the gathering attacked" source CNN. This source covers both missionary members as well as those people who are not linked to the organization. Following the violence, "farmers driven out of villages" (not linked to organization) source BloombergQuint (a news outlet based in India). Therefore, merging it to the
2020 Tablighi Jamaat coronavirus hotspot in Delhi sound clueless. TheBirdsShedTears (talk) 09:01, 24 April 2020 (UTC)[reply
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Some editors have shown nothing, but a series of comments citing to
2020 Tablighi Jamaat coronavirus hotspot in Delhi. The Jamaat is only about Jamaat and not about attacks against minorities that covers "villagers", "farmers" and the victims who are not linked to the missionary. As a matter of fact, they have undermined the notable sources that covers the subject straightforward. TheBirdsShedTears (talk) 17:50, 24 April 2020 (UTC)[reply
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  • Delete per
    WP:GNG as mentioned above. Better to be covered elsewhere. Not only is this article unconstructive but also the information has not been fully sourced as well as distorting and stirring the truth. It is an obvious POV issue with some hidden agenda by certain individuals who do not agree with a neutral discussion. Hari147 (talk) 06:43, 25 April 2020 (UTC)[reply
    ]
I note, falsified and same comment as widely posted above. Upon observing the whole discussion, i came to know that it is a case of
WP:POVFORK in discussion doesn't support one's claims as well. Furthermore, if you have find any unsourced content in the article, you can remove this. Thank you and happy editing. TheBirdsShedTears (talk) 07:24, 25 April 2020 (UTC)[reply
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You simply have your own point of view, hence you cant agree upon most of the users here. Just because people do not agree with you does not necessarily mean
Coronavirus in India. Hence, it is needless to say that this article should be deleted instead. --Hari147 (talk) 04:00, 26 April 2020 (UTC)[reply
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This is unfortunate that editors who have been registered with Wikipedia since years do not make a balanced contribution to AfD. One should note that
WP:POVFORK for you. In fact, you should improve your article creation for now before making false claims. Thank you and happy editing. TheBirdsShedTears (talk) 11:10, 27 April 2020 (UTC)[reply
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The article I wrote was on a billion dollar company that is publicly listed on multiple stock exchanges. If you want to dispute the sources then feel free to do so in that article's talk page, not here. The discussion here is regarding the one you wrote. And please don't take this as a personal attack but fallacies should be the last thing hosted on this platform. Don't drag
WP:JDL here, that's a poor response to a claim that your whole article was written on imaginary narrative building. - TheodoreIndiana (talk) 13:48, 27 April 2020 (UTC)[reply
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