Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Crystal Theatre (Gonzales, Texas)

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The result was keep. Nomination withdrawn. (non-admin closure) –CaroleHenson (talk) 17:00, 2 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Crystal Theatre (Gonzales, Texas)

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I cannot find information to establish notability. The article had 2 sources, one of which mentioned another theater entirely and I couldn't find a reliable source for the information. Now, the only source is a primary source. The town's government site has info about the theatre, but it's a copy-paste from the primary source. I can find no other reliable source for information to establish notability. It's supposedly a historic theater, but the county historic commission has nothing about it, and I could find no article about its history. So, it does not appear to be a notable place (i.e., does not meet

WP:ORG). –CaroleHenson (talk) 09:37, 30 May 2018 (UTC)[reply

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Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Theatre-related deletion discussions. The Mighty Glen (talk) 10:05, 30 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions. The Mighty Glen (talk) 10:05, 30 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Texas-related deletion discussions. The Mighty Glen (talk) 10:05, 30 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I can't find anything. I did think it might be on the National Register of Historic Places but I cannot spot it. BTW, wouldn't this usually be spelled theater in the US? I realise that its own website does not spell it that way but it may affect searching for sources. - Sitush (talk) 10:52, 30 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Usually it would be spelled theater, but in this case the primary source spells it theatre.–CaroleHenson (talk) 11:10, 30 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  - Agree - if it were on the Register, I would say keep despite the shortcomings of the article. But it doesn't seem to be. Deb (talk) 11:55, 30 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - one of the biggest GNG failures I have seen in a long time. - Sitush (talk) 11:34, 30 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
There is this entry from the City of Gonzales,and many articles about events and programs at the theater such as here, here here, and this. It's listed as a tourist attraction here. It received a Hurricane Harvey relief grant see here. If it's not independently notable wouldn't it be best to merge the key bits to Gonzales, Texas article where it's already noted? FloridaArmy (talk) 12:27, 30 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- What would you consider to be the "key bits"?Deb (talk) 12:39, 30 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

A few sentences covering its history and current use. That's about all there is in the article anyway. Although it could certainly be expanded with the sources noted above if it's kept. FloridaArmy (talk) 12:48, 30 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

A couple of things, FloridaAmy, the city source is a copy-paste of the information from the website for the theater. And, if it was a notable historic building, then there would be article stating that and a nomination as a state or national building. Even the county historic preservation commission does not mention this building.–CaroleHenson (talk) 16:11, 30 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Does not meet the GNG or subject-specific notability criteria. Maybe the article creator should put the effort into finding sources BEFORE they publish their article, rather than waiting until the Article for Deletion discussion - it would have saved other people a lot of work. Exemplo347 (talk) 13:38, 30 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep. I was able to significantly expand the article using Cinema Treasures (I believe the article previously cited their article on another theater in Gonzalez, misinterpreting a comment there as saying they had the same architect; it was the same operator, in the 1920s, and I have not been able to find an architect name for the Crystal Theatre) and the local paper, The Gonzales Inquirer, whose online archives include in addition to several articles on shows and children's workshops every year and several mentions in annual year-in-review articles and coverage of the city council has at least two articles about the recent history of the theater and its ownership. Cinema Treasures and an article in the Victoria Advocate give a different year for its opening from the theater's own website, which also presents a more cut-and-dried picture of its history this century than the Inquirer; it was renovated in the 1980s, children's acting training, with productions more or less year round, started in the early 1990s though the theater was not always used for the performances ... so I changed some of what was already there. The coverage all appears to be local, and I wish I could see earlier Inquirer articles online if only from the dinner period era and the acquisition of the building by the current ownership that did the renovations, in order to determine how many of them there were, but there's a lot of it from the indexed period; the Advocate's coverage, however, is little more than performance listings. The building is within the Gonzales Commercial District NRHP area but non-contributing due to alterations to the facade (PDF here, though it takes about half an hour to load). I think it squeaks by on GNG.—Yngvadottir, (talk • contribs) 19:42, 30 May 2018 (UTC) (CaroleHenson added missing signature)[reply]
- Thanks, Yngvadottir, the article looks better after your additions. I'm not sure that the content establishes notability, but it will be interesting to see how the votes shake out.–CaroleHenson (talk) 19:49, 30 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep I think User:Yngvadottir's work has pushed it into notability, just. Johnbod (talk) 02:28, 1 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Seems to be a relatively important theater, barely passing GNG. ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs)}~ 14:11, 1 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as reliable sources have been added to the article and used to expand and improve it since the start of the discussion, thanks Atlantic306 (talk) 16:56, 2 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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