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The result was delete. Notability seems to hinge for keep voters on his fame and his being a recipient of the Taraggi medal. The claim of fame has not been substantiated by sources and editors favoring delete suggest that the Taraggi medal is too common to convey notability. Barkeep49 (talk) 17:05, 4 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Damed Imanov

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Notability is under question. Doesn't meet criterias of

talk) 06:51, 18 March 2020 (UTC)[reply
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Note: This discussion has been included in the
talk) 06:51, 18 March 2020 (UTC)[reply
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Damed Imanov's article meets this criterion
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  1. The person has received a well-known and significant award or honor, or has been nominated for such an award several times.
  2. The person has made a widely recognized contribution that is part of the enduring historical record in a specific field.--Elshad Iman (Elşad İman) (talk) 07:25, 18 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Is the progress medal really a medal that confers notability on its recipients? What was Imanov's "widely recognized contributions that is part of the enduring historical record in a spefific field" and what are the sources that show this accomplishment is widely recognized?John Pack Lambert (talk) 14:17, 18 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete I am still scratching my head trying to figure out what his widely recognized contribution was. Just looking at who has received the progress medal, I see no evidence that receiving it is such a widely recognized mark of merit that people become notable for that.John Pack Lambert (talk) 14:19, 18 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep He is a famous ship captain, awarded a medal for his contribution to the development of maritime transport in Azerbaijan.

He led the fleet of such a large company as SOCAR, and this in itself proves that he is an important person.--Elshad Iman (Elşad İman) (talk) 18:55, 18 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Also Damed Imanov was awarded more than 20 honourary rewards. In 2010, he was awarded honourary diploma “Inam” upon the order of Trade Union of Media Workers Presidium. For his further achievements he was honoured an international award of Ukraine and Russia – 1 degree order of “Cossack glory”. On the 90th anniversary of the Great Leader Heydar Aliyev, the “Dede Gorgud” International Foundation honoured Damed Imanov with the national reward of “In the name of peace on earth”.

He was awarded the Medal "For services in the shipping industry" by the Order of the

President of the Republic of Azerbaijan and its this proves that HE made a wide contribution to the ship industry.--Elshad Iman (Elşad İman) (talk) 19:28, 18 March 2020 (UTC)[reply
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Keep. Reference 2[4] meets the GNG, I think. The publication seems OK. It is a happy birthday article, featuring a notable person not connected to the publication, and it contains significant commentary on the subject. The other references do not, but do substantiate a series of awards that he has won. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 13:46, 24 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. az:Daməd_İmanov has been deleted three times, and is currently deleted. There appears to be irregularities with the article history and deletion discussion. Sort it out on the native language Wikipedia before attempting re-creation here. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 09:28, 28 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per above. Notable in the Azerbaijani context, with significant national awards. — Sagotreespirit (talk) 05:27, 25 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete For me, it all hinges on the Taraggi medal. Based on what I have seen, it is not significant enough to automatically grant notability, but I am happy to reconsider if further evidence is provided. Cheers,
    talk) 10:42, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,
Remember to "ping" me 03:43, 27 March 2020 (UTC)[reply
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  • Dear colleagues
    1292simon thank you for your reasonable and important comments during the discussion, what other additions can you write under the new paragraph?

    Please follow the advice of our respected wikipedist to reach a consensus. / Although I said this, I will clarify my opinion again and share it with you - the article meets wikipedia criteria, as the captain was a senior fleet commander in SOCAR and served as fleet chief for seven years.--Elshad Iman (Elşad İman) (talk) 09:43, 27 March 2020 (UTC)[reply

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So you pinged only the people who had voted "keep" at the time. Smells like
talk) 13:10, 28 March 2020 (UTC)[reply
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In this case, we see that there is a clear advantage in voting on this decision, and the arguments of Wikipedists justify the preservation of the article. Let the decision be made by the Wikipedia community, and not on a personal basis! Strong keep--Elshad Iman (Elşad İman) (talk) 16:20, 27 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • That's not my personal war with you, i'm just being totally unbiased and i respect you. Just check my contributions on both wikis, i only create articles about culture and try to be as neutral as possible. The article on azwiki is deleted - three times. Cekli829 violated the rules and changed the result of the discussion: Click here and here. No wonder why he is not an administrator anymore. Straightforward: The medal is not encyclopedic - even my father is awarded with that. Just because people from other countries have difficulties to fathom the importance of medals of foreign states, you shouldn't make use of it. Just because Damed Imanov is your close relative (Iman - Imanov) it doesn't mean he should have an article on Wikipedia. Let's be more active on other topic and contribute to Wikipedia, and not make it a website of/for friends. Thanks! --
    talk) 18:43, 27 March 2020 (UTC)[reply
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  • Has the biography been deleted at az.wikipedia.org? As above I found one ok weak source. I think we should defer to the decision at the native language Wikipedia, but I can’t find the article or log. Am I looking in the wrong language? —SmokeyJoe (talk) 21:37, 27 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I have changed my vote above to Delete. Here's what I could find about the deletion on az.wikipedia.org: Jan 2019 AfD, July 2019-Elshad Iman's Talk page, July 2019- NMW03's Talk page (admin who closed the AfD as Delete), March 2020 AfD. Copying and pasting into Google Translate shows it to be a murky rabbit-hole.

    Some of the characters are familiar though... regarding this comment from the AfD admin (quote via Google Translate) I remember that when I researched the people involved in the discussion, I found out that Elshad Iman, Bashir Imanov and NapKins were connected. Elshad Iman wrote on his page that he is the granddaughter of Bashir Imanov's sister. Therefore, I have a question for

    talk) 00:00, 28 March 2020 (UTC)[reply
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  • Comment Dear colleague, the person is not only awarded the medal of progress, the person has twice been awarded by the President of the Republic, for example, the article refers to the official page of the President.

I remember that there was a conflict of interest among the managers who even wrote that I was the same person as the manager of Cekli829, but this is not true (what is written in the discussion of the article is similar to this baseless claim).

I think that this article should not cause us to oppose it because it is scandalous. My personal opinion is not the main one, but I applied for restoration in the Azerbaijan section based on encyclopedic criteria. For example, this article [10] is exactly the same as Damed Imanov's article. This person has been awarded the Progress Award and has other achievements. Thanks! --Elshad Iman (Elşad İman) (talk) 03:00, 28 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Now the company is one of the most promising oil companies in the world, and the prospects for socio-economic development of Azerbaijan are associated with its activities. Leaders and the most active in public activities representatives of fairly influential political and public non-political organizations are considered encyclopedic personalities.

Pay attention to the article, about a person is also written in the Azerbaijani state newspaper, in the Azerbaijani book there is an article about him, several times awarded by the President of the Republic. All this gives reason to keep the article here. He is a man who has dedicated his life to shipping in Azerbaijan.--Elshad Iman (Elşad İman) (talk) 14:09, 28 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • (About argument) There is an interwiki in the Azerbaijani language - Wikipedia itself does not consider itself a reliable source.

Including sections in other languages. So this is not an argument. Additionally, see WP:AADD in the words “No interwiki.”--Elshad Iman (Elşad İman) (talk) 14:52, 28 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • An important criterion of Wikipedia is the detailed coverage of any subject or topic in independent and authoritative sources.

1) Independent source: about “Damed Imanov”, on the portal of the state newspaper of the Azerbaijan Caspian Shipping Company (asco.az), on the portal of the Azerbaijan encyclopedia (ens.az), in the international magazine of Azerbaijan (mir-azerbaydjana.az), on the independent socio-political published in the newspaper (vyshka) and other sites.

2) Authoritative source: About "Damed Imanov", published on the authorized and official website of the President of the Republic of Azerbaijan (President.az).

The page is free of spelling errors, long monologues, unstructured material that creates the frame, information that has been translated from another language and cannot be verified, myths, lies and slander.

· The page is not intended for vandalism.

· The page is unique and is not a copy of any page.

· The page is not spam, the content of the page is based on facts only.

I ask for an investigation and a consensus.Premeditated Chaos Thanks!--Elshad Iman (Elşad İman) (talk) 13:59, 29 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Elshad Iman (Elşad İman): Why do you ping other admins, to help to keep the article? You did this many times and warned. Not to mention that you have been blocked several times on azwiki, one them them for suing admins for deletion. There's no need to worry about the result of the discussion, even i have an article deleted here, and abide by the decision of the community.
It's obvious that you can create tens of millions of biography articles based on your criterias (neutrality, correct information; so on and so forth). If they don't meet notability of Wikipedia, then they are not encyclopedic. Let's not exaggerate the discussion with overt and unhelpful information and keep room for other volunteers to contribute to the topic. Thanks! --
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Agreed. It's feels like Elshad Iman is trying to
talk) 21:25, 29 March 2020 (UTC)[reply
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I don't know why on earth I'm being pinged here; I have nothing to do with this discussion or this topic. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 22:37, 29 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note. This user has made
    few or no other edits outside of this Afd. GPL93 (talk) 03:23, 3 April 2020 (UTC) [reply
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