Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dan Hanlon

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The result was no consensus‎. Pretty much per the last relist comment. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 21:50, 24 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Dan Hanlon

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Declined PROD under assertion that subject passes

WP:SIGCOV cannot be found in historic publications to assert subject as being sufficiently notable for an article. Initial discussion occurred on the talk page without a clear consensus. Bungle (talkcontribs) 18:48, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply
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  • Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Actors and filmmakers, Film, and Theatre. Bungle (talkcontribs) 18:48, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note: This discussion has been included in the list of California-related deletion discussions. WCQuidditch 19:07, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete: I can't find anything beyond confirmation he was in the films (in various ads for them). Tried Gbooks and a newspaper search from 1916-1922, nothing extensive turns up. Oaktree b (talk) 19:59, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. I deproDed the page; and obviously still think Hanlon passes WP:NACTOR for the at least 2 verifiable significant roles he had in 2 notable films, the guideline stating, "The person has had significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions".-My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 22:35, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep: An actor with starring role in a particularly significant film, I think he passes muster. I suspect there are more sources out there that just aren't on the radar. The early motion picture trades are voluminous but hard to search.Justinkrivers (talk) 15:41, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    @Justinkrivers, not that i'm challenging the accuracy of your statement, but which film are you asserting to have been "particularly significant", and what evidence are you citing to backup the claim the subject's involvement was "starring", or significant in any way? From my own searching, I have yet to find anything to suggest this individual was particularly noteworthy, else i'd have gladly developed the article myself. If we're making claims he had "significant roles", this needs backing up with something. Bungle (talkcontribs) 16:48, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    I don't think it is reasonable to argue that
    Pr Aronnax
    's character in 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea might be considered not significant. As for Bill Carson in The Great Problem, all right, let me quote the synopsis verbatim for you.
    "After her father Bill Carson is imprisoned and her mother Mary dies, Peggy becomes a pickpocket. When she is caught, a reform-minded district attorney, George Devereaux, decides to take her in as his ward and "civilize" her. George's experiment is a success, and Peggy is soon engaged to one of his friends. At the wedding, however, she realizes that she really loves George, so she runs away and becomes a thief once again. Meanwhile, Bill has been released, and he is determined to kill George, who had him convicted. When Peggy, who secretly has been watching George, sees Bill pull a gun on him, she jumps between the two men and lets the bullet hit her. Bill forgets all about vengeance after wounding his daughter, and then, when Peggy recovers, George marries her."
    It is even more significant when you know the topic and message of the film, again, let me quote AFI for you, verbatim: "According to news items, this film embodied the theories of American penologist Thomas Mott Osborne, the chairman of the New York State Commission for Prison Reform (1913) and warden of Sing Sing prison in New York State (1914-16). Osborne assumed a false name and secretly served a week at Auburn prison to learn of conditions there. At the time of this film's release, Osborne was vindicated in court of one set of charges, and awaiting trial on further indictments. "
    You could also watch the films. So 2 significant roles in 2 notable films. QED. Best, -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 17:04, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    I did indeed recently watch the 1916 version of 20,000 Leagues, at a theatre with an original live score by a band. I specialize in silent film, and although I can't say I love this version, it certainly is a cinema landmark. Would have loved to see Stephin Merritt's score in San Francisco. There are numerous markers of its significance...programmed regularly, received a restoration from national archive, is preserved in notable collections, programmed for international festivals, written about a lot. The professor is one of the main characters. This is true across the other five adaptations of the novel that I have watched (and the novel itself). I mean, he's really the lead character except that Nemo is the juiciest role and usually gets top billing. Justinkrivers (talk) 17:33, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Maliner (talk) 20:28, 1 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Hey man im josh (talk) 21:55, 8 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

More than likely passes the notability bar, but the lack of sources is what's holding us back here, if that helps explain the situation. That's why I !delete voted this. Oaktree b (talk) 23:22, 8 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep (but weak keep) -- clearly notable because of his roles but need sources with which to build an article. See the discussion at Talk:Dan Hanlon#Notability.
--A. B. (talkcontribsglobal count) 03:22, 10 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Final relist. There is clearly a desire to retain this article on the part of several participants but a lack of adequate SIGCOV to justify it. I'm going for a final relist to ask if this relatively newly created article could be draftified, merged or redirected? You all are the subject matter experts, I just wanted to raise the question of ATD.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 23:39, 15 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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