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WP:BLP1E doesn't either. Judging whether a political candidate meets BLP1E or whether their coverage will be enduring three days/weeks after the election is hard. The content appears to already exist at the redirect target. With the headcount in mind (there are really no killer arguments here) this is a redirect case. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 07:45, 8 September 2018 (UTC)[reply
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Ethan Sonneborn

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A clear failure of

WP:BLP1E). StAnselm (talk) 05:06, 17 August 2018 (UTC)[reply
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Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU(T) 05:59, 17 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Vermont-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU(T) 05:59, 17 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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WP:GNG. Ross-c (talk) 11:49, 20 August 2018 (UTC)[reply
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A person can technically pass GNG and still fail
ten-year test for enduring significance. Our job is not to keep articles about everybody who happens to get their name into the current news cycle — our job is to keep articles about people who accomplished something significant enough that people will still be looking for an article about them in 2028, like holding a notable political office rather than just running for one and losing and garnering a bit of BLP1E human interest coverage in the moment that fades out as soon as they lose. Bearcat (talk) 13:25, 20 August 2018 (UTC)[reply
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True, but since we don't have a
WP:CRYSTALBALL, I think it is difficult to say in this instance whether or not there will be enduring significance. After all, the kid isn't even in high school yet. Who knows what will come in the future? --BrianCUA (talk) 11:44, 22 August 2018 (UTC)[reply
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Usually, the community treats
WP:CRYSTAL the other way - that we don't make assumptions about what the subject may or may not do in the future, or what elections they may or may not win in the future. As I wrote below, any pertinent information about the subject can be placed in the article about the election. Taking a fresh look at the page, there is a case that some of the information could be created in a page entitled Teenage political candidates or something similar that fits under Youth Politics because that is what most of the current content is about. --Enos733 (talk) 15:51, 22 August 2018 (UTC)[reply
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As pointed out by Enos733, CRYSTAL works the other way. We don't keep articles about people who haven't cleared our notability standards just because of what they might achieve in the future — we would have to keep an article about every single person living on this planet if "but they might accomplish something more notable in the future" were a basis for inclusion in and of itself. Rather, we keep or delete articles based on what's already true today, and if they do achieve something more notable and encyclopedic in the future, then we permit recreation because the notability equation will have changed. Bearcat (talk) 14:45, 29 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Redirect to
    WP:BLP1E. While there is a certain novelty of a 14 year old running for statewide office, any important information can be added to the page about the election. I do remain convinced that verifiable biographical information can be added to the election pages (more than the frequent one line description and that editors can add additional prose about the context and issues of the campaign). --Enos733 (talk) 19:11, 19 August 2018 (UTC)[reply
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@Enos733: As shown by the coverage, he is not just a normal losing candidate and hence normal procedures do not apply. Ross-c (talk) 11:49, 20 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with Ross-c, and that is why I didn't create articles for the other two losing candidates. This was not a typical case. --BrianCUA (talk) 11:46, 22 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Given a dispute over whether the nature of coverage is beyond standard NPOL coverage of a candidate's traits and thus Keep/Redirect
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Nosebagbear (talk) 21:13, 23 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
WP:BLP1E context, to John Hinckley Jr.? --BrianCUA (talk) 18:09, 30 August 2018 (UTC)[reply
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Hi
WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Thanks, --SkyGazer 512 Oh no, what did I do this time? 18:19, 30 August 2018 (UTC)[reply
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Chowbok's oppose
!vote in the merge discussion explains better than I did why the subject is probably notable: "Not only notable for the assassination attempt but also for his murder trial, which is significant in legal history for the ruling of the insanity verdict." So I would say that article wouldn't be a case of BLP1E.--SkyGazer 512 Oh no, what did I do this time? 18:25, 30 August 2018 (UTC)[reply
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I wasn't making an OTHERSTUFF argument. Hinkley is the example used in BLP1E. --BrianCUA (talk) 16:04, 31 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
His participation - only a few percent of the vote - was not "substantial." SportingFlyer talk 17:42, 31 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
This novelty candidate placed a distant 5th place in the party primary, lagging far behind "blank votes," which came in fourth. His hometown did vote for him. However, I have no objection if
Vermont gubernatorial election, 2018.E.M.Gregory (talk) 20:16, 31 August 2018 (UTC)[reply
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True,
WP:POLITICIAN says you need to get significant coverage, not a significant number of votes. He did. --BrianCUA (talk) 15:01, 4 September 2018 (UTC)[reply
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If an article fails
WP:NPOL doesn't save it. SportingFlyer talk 18:41, 4 September 2018 (UTC)[reply
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The thing is, I don't think it fails
WP:BLP1E. You have to meet three criteria. The third one doesn't apply here. The event was significant, and his role was well documented. In fact, he got a lot more press than did some of the other candidates. He was also treated as an equal during the campaign.--BrianCUA (talk) 19:39, 4 September 2018 (UTC)[reply
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Kirbanzo (talk) 21:42, 31 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ugg, merely being in the news for a spell does not grant people a permanent entry in an encyclopedia. Redirect to
    Vermont gubernatorial election, 2018 (and while we're at it, Wiki politicos, let's make these skeletal "State elections, xxxx" outlines into actual articles, not bullet-point, poll-result, and endorsement-chart love fests. Did we forget about paragraph structure?) --Animalparty! (talk) 02:40, 1 September 2018 (UTC)[reply
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