Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hara (band)

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The result was no consensus.  Sandstein  16:27, 10 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hara (band)

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No indication of notability, as established by multiple independent, reliable sources. - Biruitorul ^Talk 14:31, 21 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment. When I deproded this earlier today, I pointed out in the edit summary "Has an entry in 'Bibliografia națională română', essentially a Romanian dictionary of national biography - this can be found in Google Books. The nominator has not contacted me to point them to this. AfD should be a last resort, not an automatic reaction to a prod being removed. --Michig (talk) 14:46, 21 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Bibliografia națională română (an obscure publication with around 1000 Google hits) is actually a bibliographic (not biographic) compendium of books published in Romania.
  • But that's somewhat beside the point, which is whether quotable sources, as contemplated by
    WP:BAND
    point 1, exist. If you can demonstrate they do, better still if you can actually quote them, we'd be getting somewhere.
  • As for the "automatic reaction" bit, come on. This has been sitting here without sources since 2004. Now is as good a time as any to have this discussion. - Biruitorul ^Talk 17:59, 21 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. MassiveYR ♠ 14:51, 21 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. MassiveYR ♠ 14:51, 21 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Romania-related deletion discussions. MassiveYR ♠ 14:51, 21 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment. It's not as if there's any shortage of coverage out there. These from the first few pages of Google results searching on band and singer's name: [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6], [7], [8], [9], [10], [11], [12], [13], [14], [15].There's nothing to stop you looking for sources
  before starting an AfD discussion. --Michig (talk) 18:28, 21 October 2017 (UTC)[reply
  ]
  • Unfortunately, the sources I see so far are of a pretty wretched level. Hara lead singer baptizes his daughter (local paper, too), Hara lead singer recounts meeting very patriotic Romanians in the US (in some no-name church newsletter), Hara lead singer sends good wishes to students at his former high school (local paper, of course), Hara lead singer will try driving despite not having a license.
  • Nothing here really indicates notability as a band, or is even quotable in an encyclopedic article. - Biruitorul ^Talk 21:18, 21 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    • The fact that the band gets so much coverage in so many sources indicates notability. --Michig (talk) 21:33, 21 October 2017 (UTC) Typically, you ignore the better sources, one stating (via Google Translate) "The band Hara released 6 LPs and the traditional Romanian carolin album Marlin, Dârlin - Pais'pe carols and a shout, which brought many awards from the media institutions (the best single - 2003, 2004, 2009, the most good creation - 2005, best album - 2004, 2005, 2006, 2009). In 2009, the band is also internationally acclaimed: The Ploua stele wins the 1st place (out of 50) at the prestigious "Song of the Year" creative contest - the Adult Contemporary section of the famous VH1 US musical channel. Success is repeated in 2013, at the same section, with the song Calling Out For You, Hara becoming the first Romanian band to have such a record." Now doesn't that sound like a notable band rather than one that as you claim has "no indication of notability"? --Michig (talk) 21:37, 21 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
      • No, not when you actually try and verify the claims made. While Adevărul is generally a reliable newspaper, it seems they dropped the ball here.
      • I first tried to verify whether VH1 actually has something called "Song of the Year", with an "Adult Contemporary section". The closest I came was the VH1's Top 40 Videos of the Year - no mention of Hara. I also searched for any indication in English-language media that VH1 may have given any award of any nature to Hara in 2009 and 2013, but came up short. (Since VH1 is based in New York, it's reasonable to assume the US press would have picked up on something.)
      • In terms of the awards for best single - there's a vague mention of "media institutions" awarding these, but they're wholly untraceable.
      • Further down, the article mentions the Akademia Music Awards. A cursory search reveals that's simply a scam.
      • So it seems like Adevărul is recycling old PR material here, which basically falls apart when given any kind of scrutiny. - Biruitorul ^Talk 00:36, 22 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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