Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ian Ferrier

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The result was delete. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 08:44, 22 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Ian Ferrier

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Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions. Andrew Base (talk) 16:45, 14 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Canada-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 17:07, 14 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Poetry-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 17:07, 14 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete Fails
  WP:GNG. Hughesdarren (talk) 23:11, 14 November 2019 (UTC)[reply
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• Delete. Nothing here is "inherently" notable enough to exempt him from having to pass
  primary source that is not support for notability at all, and the other is a glancing mention of his name in an event listings calendar that isn't about him in any non-trivial way, which is not enough all by itself just because it happens to be in a newspaper. We're looking for coverage about him as a subject, not just technical verification that he exists. As always, GNG is not just "count the footnotes and keep anything that meets or exceeds two"; it tests for many other factors, including whether the sources are independent of the subject or not, the depth of how substantively any source is or isn't about him, the geographic range of how widely he is or isn't getting covered, and whether the context of what he's getting covered for represents a noteworthy accomplishment or not. Bearcat (talk) 17:44, 16 November 2019 (UTC)[reply
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• Keep Passes
  WP:GNG, but this article needs to be added to the references: The Words and Music Show Becomes a Digital Archive : SpokenWeb Unveils 20 Years of Montreal’s Cult Show. ^[1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by PhotomediaTN (talk • contribs) 23:40, 17 November 2019 (UTC)[reply
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The Link is a university student newspaper, not a GNG-passing general market source — we do not just indiscriminately accept all possible sources as equally valid notability markers, but test sources for their type, depth, geographic range and context. Student newspapers count for a lot less than major market dailies, for example — and coverage in a person's hometown local market counts for a lot less than coverage that expands beyond their hometown market does, as well. And even if we were to accept it as counting for something, it still doesn't count for enough all by itself if it's the best new source you can show, as it takes a lot more than just one newspaper hit to get a person over GNG. Bearcat (talk) 19:13, 18 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The Link does count for something, and it isn't there "all by itself", it is there along with the other sources and achievements listed. These achievements also pass

WP:AUTHOR. For example, the fact that he was awarded the Sheri-D Wilson Golden Beret Award for excellence and innovation in spoken word poetry, awarded "to the poet whose micro-portfolio has the greatest impact on the panel of jurors" shows that Ian Ferrier is regarded as an important figure by his peers and has played a major role in co-creating a significant collective body of work, through, for example, his work with the Words and Music Show.PhotomediaTN (talk) 14:23, 20 November 2019 (UTC)[reply

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Student newspapers are not magic GNG-makers if they're the best sources you can show. They can be used for supplementary verification of stray facts after the person has already cleared GNG on stronger sources (i.e. real major market dailies), but count for nothing toward the initial matter of getting the person over GNG in the first place. As for the award, notability because awards attaches only to awards that get media coverage about the award, and not to awards that can be "referenced" only to their own self-published website about themselves because media coverage of that award is non-existent. The depth of media coverage about the award presentation is how we determine whether any given award is a notable one or not. Bearcat (talk) 23:55, 21 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Weak delete.He was named as an important poet in Poets and we know it; If you thought poets were all long-dead old men, think again. Teenagers are pioneering poetry for the 21st century. London, England. November 23, 2011. p. 17. {{
  WP:TOOSOON.4meter4 (talk) 18:03, 21 November 2019 (UTC)[reply
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• Delete - Fails
  talk) 08:22, 22 November 2019 (UTC)[reply
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