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Catherine Power (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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No notable independent wrestler. Worked mainly on independent level. Sources are WP:ROUTINE results of events, no in-deep coverage about her. A search shows only more ROUTINE events. [1] HHH Pedrigree (talk) 17:52, 29 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete : The Slam Sports article is fine (Canoe was a news source at the time), the Cape Breton article below it is rather local. I'd count those as maybe 1.5 sources. I tried to find more, no sourcing that I can find. With at least one more RS, I'd probably give this a weak keep. Just not enough at this time for sourcing. Oaktree b (talk) 18:56, 29 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Passes GNG. In addition to the two sources noted above by Oaktree, here is another from the Windsor Star ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 21:51, 29 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

weak keep The second source above from the Windsor Star shows notability. Covered in three different media from across Canada. Oaktree b (talk) 22:07, 29 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Moon Mason (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Fails

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• Delete as per nom. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 08:45, 29 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

New Star Books (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Three years have passed since a refund following a soft delete. This article still does not meet NCORP guidelines. Dege31 (talk) 15:16, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: GNG pass. Discussed in multiple published works, including:

• The Perilous Trade: Book Publishing in Canada, 1946-2006 (2012)
• Publishing Lives: Interviews with Independent Book Publishers in the Pacific Northwest and British Columbia (1996)
• The Globe and Mail, "New Star Books to wind down, publisher cites BC Arts Council funding issues", 29 January 2025
• Publishers Weekly, "Vancouver’s New Star Books Ceases Acquisitions", 29 January 2025
• Quill and Quire, "New Star Books to close" 16 January 2025 (Quill & Quire)

More can likely be found in the depths of Newspapers.com. MediaKyle (talk) 21:16, 29 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Pride Season (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Article, based entirely on

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• Delete per nom. Absolutely hilarious that this is made out to be just a Canadian thing. We use this term in the US too, and plenty of places hold major Pride events outside of just Pride month. I don't know if there are any other country-specific Pride articles like the one suggested, but I don't think it's necessary either: LGBTQ people in Canada#Festivities and List of LGBTQ events#Canada seem sufficient. Reywas92^Talk 21:50, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Youssef El Deeb (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Was nominated for deletion by

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• Keep – This subject meets the criteria of
  WP:BIO
  . Youssef El Deeb is not simply a "founder"; he is a significant media figure in the Arab world. His creation of Fatafeat TV — later acquired by Discovery — is a landmark event in Arab media, widely covered in **independent** and **reliable** sources such as *Deadline*, *The Hollywood Reporter*, and *BroadcastPro ME* (not primary or promotional outlets).
• He also held senior executive roles at MBC and Rotana, and his creative work in film and TV has been recognized with awards — further reinforcing his notability under
  WP:ENT
  .
• The current version of the article uses multiple **independent** and **significant** sources that focus on El Deeb himself, not just passing mentions. This satisfies the sourcing standard under GNG.
• The deletion rationale cites past versions, but the article has been substantially rewritten and resourced. The presence of COI/UPE concerns is not, in itself, grounds for deletion — per WP:NOTCLEAN, what matters is whether the article **now** meets policy. It does.
• Editors are welcome to continue improving neutrality or trimming promotional tone, but deletion would discard verifiable coverage of a genuinely notable figure in Arab media.

~~~~ Vlodiker Chimok (talk) 11:50, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment - the above editor is either a COI or UPE editor.Onel5969 ^{TT me} 13:42, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete for lack of
  I feel I have to repeat myself that we are not LinkedIn. Bearian (talk) 15:13, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply
  ]
• Delete: Fails
  WP:GNG. Only passing mentions from press releases. Highly promotional. WP is not LinkedIn. m a MANÍ^{1990(talk | contribs)} 16:07, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply
  ]

*:* Keep – The deletion arguments rely on outdated or incorrect information. Youssef El Deeb is a notable figure in Arab media, having founded Fatafeat TV, sold to Discovery, and produced award-winning films. Multiple independent, reliable sources focus specifically on him.Preceding !vote struck as duplicate !vote. Leaving the rest as comments.Onel5969 ^{TT me} 19:15, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• • Claims of promotional tone or COI editing do not justify deletion. If there are issues, they should be fixed by neutral editing, not removal.
  • The this is not Linkedin argument ignores real-world impact and reliable coverage. Deletion would erase a notable media personality with clear public recognition.
  • Please evaluate the article based on verifiable facts and reliable sources, not on assumptions or editor speculation.

  Vlodiker Chimok (talk) 16:44, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Archaeological Society of British Columbia (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Unreferenced article about an organization. As always, organizations are not automatically entitled to Wikipedia articles just because they exist, and have to be shown to pass

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Delete: I dug through the depths of Newspapers.com and Archive.org attempting to scrape together enough coverage for GNG, but I don't believe it can be met. There is a decent amount of local coverage available through Newspapers.com, but not enough to build an article on. Ironically, the Underwater Archaeological Society of British Columbia would probably meet GNG based on coverage I found, but not this one. There is also no suitable article to redirect this to, that I can see. MediaKyle (talk) 21:29, 29 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

BattleGoat Studios (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Fails

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Given the several articles on the games, Supreme Ruler might be fitting for a game series article. IgelRM (talk) 16:50, 30 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Amita Zamaana (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Non-notable producer. Article only features sources from unreliable sites (e.g. IMDb) and other sources do not even mention the subject in question. Fails

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The article sources Playback as a reliable news source for the Canadian television industry. The subject is mentioned in 2 separate articles as a producer and writer for different reasons in each. The subject is also mentioned in The Canadian Public Broadcaster's news articles as a producer. Along with IMDB which lists the numerous internationally broadcast television series credits of the subject, the subject is mentioned in the all 7 sources. Gale Buckthorne (talk) 12:47, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete: Fails
  WP:NPRODUCER. Could not find any reliable secondary sourcing to confirm her notability. m a MANÍ^{1990(talk | contribs)} 16:10, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply
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Jacob Barron (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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The highest level the subject played was the third tier of the US soccer pyramid and his career was brief.

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• Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. GiantSnowman 08:18, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: No
  WP:SPORTCRIT. - UtherSRG (talk) 10:52, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply
  ]
• Delete – Fails in
  WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 13:21, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply
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• Delete: Fails
  WP:GNG, no reliable secondary sourcing to confirm notability. m a MANÍ^{1990(talk | contribs)} 16:11, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply
  ]
• Comment: The article says he played for the
  Orange County Blues in the USL Championship, which is the second tier in American soccer. Notaoffensivename (talk) 06:15, 29 June 2025 (UTC)[reply
  ]

  It was a third tier team when he played for it. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Orange_County_SC_seasons Raskuly (talk) 06:28, 29 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  Whoops. Sorry about that. Notaoffensivename (talk) 07:31, 29 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Jorden Feliciano (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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This was PROD'd. Changing to AfD for greater input. The prod reasoning was "Doesn't pass GNG, assistant coaches usually dont get page without GNG. refs are all just casual mentions" RedPatch (talk) 09:16, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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  Talk to my owner:Online 09:44, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply
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• Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. GiantSnowman 18:50, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete – Fails in
  WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 19:15, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply
  ]

• Delete -- I basically wrote this article, but I concede the argument that it's of limited notability. (Sorry, I guess I got a bit too completionist.)

HumblePieEater (talk) 01:12, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete: Subject fails to meet the
  WP:SIGCOV. Let'srun (talk) 14:50, 29 June 2025 (UTC)[reply
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Freebird Games (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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I am not convinced Freebird Games passes

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• Redirect How about RPG Maker? I moved all of the informations from Freebird Games wikipedia article into RPG Maker rather than deletion. GeniusTaker (talk) 14:46, 29 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  If it were redirected to RPG Maker, it feels like it would run afoul of

  WP:SURPRISE. While To the Moon would be a better target, he also made numerous other games. So it would be better to delete to let the search function do its job, unless a page on Kan Gao were made. If you want to "rescue" the info, I'd suggest making said page using the aforementioned sources, and you could likely merge some of this into it. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 18:12, 29 June 2025 (UTC)[reply

  ]

  Yeah, technically, I already "rescue" the info. That'll be important is to delete or merge the article before I'll redirect the page into RPG Maker until Kan Gao appears as a Wikipedia page with reliable sources. GeniusTaker (talk) 09:48, 30 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Well, if Freebied Games is virtually the brand of Kan Gao, would it not be appropriate to rename and repurpose the article instead? IgelRM (talk) 16:28, 30 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Association of Visual Language Interpreters of Canada (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Declined prod. The added source is just a 1 quote from the president of CASLI. Fails

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• Keep: I greatly improved the article. This association is the national, non-profit certifying body for professional American Sign Language-English, Quebec Sign Language-French interpreters in Canada. It's been active since 1979 and provides a crucial service which is notable. m a MANÍ^{1990(talk | contribs)} 17:06, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  3 of the added sources are its own website and primary. LibStar (talk) 01:50, 1 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: Significant coverage has now been demonstrated spanning roughly four and a half decades, from publications across the country. This organization is a clear GNG pass, and more sources are likely to be found from here. MediaKyle (talk) 17:58, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Peter New (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Nominating per request here by IP editor show states - "The last AfD for this subject was closed as soft delete which was treated as an expired PROD. recently the soft delete was challenged by user

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• Delete: Sources in the article don't cut it and I was unable to find anything demonstrating
  TarnishedPath^talk 04:31, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply
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• Pinging @
  TarnishedPath^talk 04:34, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply
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• Delete. The only real source cited, the Celluloid Social Club, doesn't say more about him than his name and some past roles. A sentence fragment. This is not sigcov. Toadspike [Talk] 06:08, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: as per
  TarnishedPath and Toadspike. Emily.Owl ( she/her • talk) 06:40, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply
  ]
• Delete per Emily.Owl 124.104.175.128 (talk) 06:48, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• THis IP requested the undelete and is now blocked. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 05:44, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete: All minor roles, no
  WP:GNG. - UtherSRG (talk) 10:44, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply
  ]

Delete per last AfD. I believe this can be closed per

WP:SNOW. Madeleine (talk) 16:26, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply

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• Delete per
  Brony crowd, ping me. Bearian (talk) 00:54, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply
  ]
• Delete. I did a few hours of independent research and was unable to find any
  WP:GNG. Claim to notability would be stronger if there was evidence of RS SIGCOV to meet notability requirements. ZachH007 (talk) 03:51, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply
  ]

Delete - fails SIGCOV and GNG. ロドリゲス恭子 (talk) 17:04, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete: as per
  TarnishedPath.Cinelatina (talk) 19:52, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply
  ]
• Delete fails
  WP:NACTOR for lack of reliable sources. Iljhgtn (talk) 20:33, 29 June 2025 (UTC)[reply
  ]

Keep Needs more appropriate sources but subject is notable enough for a Wikipedia article, in my opinion. User01938 (talk) 08:41, 1 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

2033 in rail transport (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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A single event which may well happen in a different year eventually.

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  Delete Per

  WP:TOOSOON Servite et contribuere (talk) 13:18, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply

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• Delete per
  WP:CRYSTAL. Also, lists with one entry are completely pointless. WeirdNAnnoyed (talk) 11:10, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply
  ]
• Delete: One event, likely TOOSOON for it to be listed anyway. The list wouldn't be helpful as it stands. Oaktree b (talk) 13:23, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per
  WP:TOOSOON. Notaoffensivename (talk) 14:59, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply
  ]
• Delete case of WP:NOTCRYSTAL. Azuredivay (talk) 16:34, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete AS per WP:Crystal --Unclethepoter (talk) 11:30, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

National Student Exchange (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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The overly promo tone of this doesn't help. I've tried Gbooks, Scholar and a News search, other than routine mentions (naming a president, xyz student participating), I can't find anything about this org. Sounds like a wonderful opportunity, but sourcing is sparse. The article only has primary sources at this point. Oaktree b (talk) 17:14, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Redirect- though I would agree with the Nom about the article needing some rewrite to be more neutral in tone, however the subject/concept of the article is potentially notable, though more as a feature implemented as a result of agreements /collaborations between universties and colleges. as can be seen with a few samples like 1 ,2 , 3 ,perhaps it can be made as a redirect as a feature/programme under existing notable US colleges and universities.Lorraine Crane (talk) 03:29, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, asilvering (talk) 07:34, 29 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: This is practically a brochure, and I'm unsure of a suitable redirect target. It doesn't appear that there's anything here one couldn't get on the organization's own website, anyways. I took a look to see if there was any coverage and couldn't find anything, although if there was anything out there it's probably buried amidst news about immigration law. MediaKyle (talk) 11:07, 30 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Western Canada Wilderness Committee (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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I believe the topic fails to meet GNG. While I'm not the greatest at looking for sources, the only coverage I found was mentions of the organization in relation to protecting an owl species, but nothing that covered it at length. Also, while I realize that the present quality of the article doesn't determine its suitability, the condition right now is a big problem. The entirety of the current content was written by an employee of the organization named Stephanie Gribble, and is entirely sourced to the org's own website (yes, there's one other citation, but it only verifies when a law was passed and says nothing about the article subject). -- Fyrael (talk) 03:28, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep - but it's in need of a total rewrite, which I'm happy to help with once this AfD is over, because it is currently written as though it were the organization's website and has a large
  WP:COI problem. There are a very large number of sources in Proquest going back over 30 years; this group has done a lot. You can get proquest access through The Wikipedia Library; highly recommended. FalconK (talk) 00:11, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply
  ]

That's a great recommendation. I had never heard of The Wikipedia Library before this, and I was recently trying quite hard to get access to JSTOR. -- Fyrael (talk) 03:01, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Fyrael, here's more info: Wikipedia:The Wikipedia Library. A. B. ^{(talk • contribs • global count)} 01:45, 1 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Participants are encouraged to remove any COI or unsourced material while the AfD is still open, reducing it to a stub if necessary, which would make it easier to adjudicate this case based on the notability of its subject rather than the quality of the content.
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• Keep - Organization established in 1980 is included in the Encyclopedia of British Columbia HERE. THIS indicates that the new name of the organization is "Wilderness Committee," so a name change and redirect to that is called for. I agree with Falcon Kirtaran that this needs a complete rewrite after the closure here and wish him the best on that. Carrite (talk) 17:37, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Lip Service (2000 film) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Non-notable film. From

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• Hard keep: This page may not seem as notable at this moment, although there many avenues through which the page could be made more notable. Deleting or erasing this article would mean a serious disaster from which my career would never really recover, not mentioning severe embarrassment and hard insults toward me which are undeserved. Angela Kate Maureen Pears 14:07, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  It has nothing to do with your career, we need sourcing about the film in order to keep the article. Oaktree b (talk) 15:40, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment: I did find a Variety review by one of their known staff writers, as well as an article announcing that the film was to be made. I did see this short mention in a volume of TV Guide, but it looks to be a mention of a TV interview so that would probably be seen as a primary source?

Now, as far as the nomination goes, don't take it too hard. Just about everyone on Wikipedia has had something reverted, deleted, or nominated for deletion at one point or another - sometimes even after they've been around for a while. It's not meant to be an insult or attack.

To go over the sourcing a bit more, what is needed here are sources that are reliable, independent, and in-depth. So for example, VideoHound could probably be used to back up basic details but can't be used to establish notability because they're too short and in some cases, are just plot summary with no actual commentary to justify the bones rating. Capsule reviews have much of the same issue, as they are often very short and are more summary than review.

I'll go over the sourcing in a bit more depth on the AfD talk page. ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (｡◕‿◕｡) 17:50, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hey Reader, thank you for understanding. Angela Kate Maureen Pears 18:44, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

No problem! It can get overwhelming on here, I know. ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (｡◕‿◕｡) 13:59, 12 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent
  reliable sources
  .
  1. Gallo, Phil (2000-07-12). "Out of Sync". Variety. Archived from the original on 2025-06-16. Retrieved 2025-06-16.

     The review provides 483 words of coverage about the subject. The review notes: "VH1 tackles a Wash-like saga in its first top-to-bottom fictional telepic, “Out of Sync,” a joke-free “music-filled comedy” that mindlessly romps through the cliches of soap operas, the record industry and network movies of the week. ... Wuhrer, the former MTV veejay who has become actress most likely to be nude in a straight-to-video pic, is an annoying bimbo with a constant jiggle. Camera takes careful aim to maximize body shots over any dramatic connection the character may make with the story. Rest of the acting is perfunctory. Music is catchy at times."

  2. Justin, Neal (2000-07-12). "FYI - Internet moving tips". Minnesota Star Tribune. Archived from the original on 2025-06-16. Retrieved 2025-06-16.

     The review provides 119 words of coverage about the subject. The review notes: "Clothes are also not a priority for Sunni (Kari Wuhrer), the would-be rock starlet in "Out of Sync," (Two and a half out of four stars, 8 p.m. today, VH1). She'll do anything to make it big - flashing the record producer, licking peanut butter off his trophy, sucking lime juice off a male model's belly. What makes this more than a Carmen Electra impression is Wuhrer, a former MTV personality who smartly satirizes the pop bimbette. She doesn't hesitate to pretend to have a great voice, even though she's "borrowing" from a "plain" housewife (Gail O'Grady, who's too attractive to be portraying an unmarketable artist). VH1 gently skewers itself with considerable success in this female version of Milli Vanilli."

  3. "Out of Sync. Alternate title: Lip Service". British Film Institute. 2002. ProQuest 1745738700.

     The source provides 300 words of coverage about the subject. The source notes: "Dissipated, down-and-out record producer Roger Deacon needs a hit, badly. A decade ago, he was a bona fide hitmaker until he imploded, publicly burning all his bridges in the music biz. To get back to the top of the charts, he'd sell his soul to the devil - or worse, to a record executive with a girlfriend who wants to be a star. Industry honcho Sidney Golden's newest 'friend,' statuesque Sunni, sure looks like a star, but as a smitten Deacon soon discovers, she sings more like Benny Hill than Faith Hill."

  4. Deming, Mark. "Lip Service (2000)".
     Rovi. Archived from the original on 2025-05-31. Retrieved 2025-05-31 – via Alibris
     .

     The source provides 260 words of coverage about the subject. The source notes: "However, when Sunni discovers she's been reduced to a lip sync act for her upcoming video and concert tour, she's none too happy, and shares her displeasure with her boyfriend; Roger, meanwhile, is wrestling with the fact that he's fallen in love with Maggie, who is married and not prepared to leave her husband. Also shown under the title Out of Sync, Lip Service was produced for (and originally aired on) the VH1 cable music network."

  5. Less significant coverage:
     1. Marill, Alvin H. (2005). Movies Made for Television 1964–2004. Vol. 1. Lanham, Maryland:
        ISBN 0-8108-5174-1
        .

        The book notes: "Out of Sync (VH1, 7/12/2000, 120 mins). Gail O’Grady plays a housewife whose singing abilities catch the ear of a down-and-out record producer who desperately needs her to lip sync songs for a record executive’s musically talentless girlfriend. Take the dubious career of faux rock luminaries Milli Vanilli and the basic plot line of the memorable Gene Kelly movie “Singing in the Rain” and this is what more or less emerges. Production Companies TVA International, Hearst Entertainment. Director Graeme Campbell. Executive Producers Dan Lyon, Anne Carlucci, Marian Brayton, Rona Edwards. Producer Terry Gould. Teleplay Eric Williams. Photography Nikos Evdemon. Music Jonathan Goldsmith. Editor Ralph Brunjes. Production Designer Bob Sher."

     2. Abbott, Jim (2000-07-10). "Lineup Ranges from All-Stars to Survivors". Orlando Sentinel. Archived from the original on 2025-06-16. Retrieved 2025-06-16.

        The article notes: "The difference between a pretty face and a pretty voice is the story line on Out of Sync (9 p.m., VH1). This original TV movie stars Gail O’Grady (NYPD Blue) as a homemaker whose powerful voice turns a record company executive’s no-talent girlfriend (Kari Wuhrer) into a star. Just think of it as a female version of the Milli Vanilli story."

  There is sufficient coverage in
  reliable sources to allow Out of Sync, also known as Lip Service, to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".

  Cunard (talk) 05:13, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply

  ]

• Comment Sources 2, 3 and 4 (Minnesota Star Tribune, British Film Institute and Rovi via Alibris) while reliable would not count towards notability under
  WP:FILM: Examples of coverage insufficient to fully establish notability include newspaper listings of screening times and venues, "capsule reviews", plot summaries without critical commentary, or listings in comprehensive film guides, the first is a TV listing, the second a comprehensive film guide and the third seems to be advertising copy for a DVD. Orange sticker (talk) 13:52, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply
  ]

  I agree. Plot summaries have nothing to do with significant coverage, there has to be critical commentary. Geschichte (talk) 12:27, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• The articles in
  Rovi provide significant coverage of the film. The sources are enough for the film to meet Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline. Cunard (talk) 08:19, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply
  ]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: It looks like additional sources have been uncovered that deserve additional discussion.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Malinaccier (talk) 02:29, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]