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The result was merge as there is no consensus for outright deletion. The concern that the article is lacking independent sourcing is in the majority and has a great deal of merit, so much so that I will remove this as a separate article. However, it is common practice to provide a list of the main characters in works of fiction, and pure descriptive statements of facts about them can be covered by primary sources, in this case the game itself.

As an editorial decision, I think that the long list of secondary characters is excessive and will limit the merging to the main characters. The full content will still be available in the page history in case somebody wants to alter that. Sjakkalle (Check!) 21:02, 2 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

List of Spy Fox characters

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Unsourced fancruft. No out of universe notability. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 04:16, 17 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. Northamerica1000(talk) 14:02, 17 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. Northamerica1000(talk) 14:02, 17 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Video games-related deletion discussions. Northamerica1000(talk) 14:02, 17 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Software-related deletion discussions. Northamerica1000(talk) 14:03, 17 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
My skim of the fictional element AFD archive shows that lists like these are also often deleted or merged, and that there does not appear to be any historical consensus on how they should be treated strong enough to weight this discussion one way or the other.Dialectric (talk) 13:47, 20 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - Unreferenced. Do not merge as the material is simply a
    WP:DOAL warns against this sort of list. Just because there are other lists doesn't mean this one should exists. It might be best if the other lists are identified to the nominator for further review. Walter Görlitz (talk) 15:15, 19 December 2013 (UTC)[reply
    ]
  • WP:CSC, the only two possible options are Keep or Merge unless the 'main' article is shown to be non-notable. VMS Mosaic (talk) 11:24, 20 December 2013 (UTC)[reply
    ]
See
WP:LISTN - as I wrote, no evidence that this content has been discussed as a group or set by independent reliable sources, so no evidence of notability. Minor Dilbert characters likely have been discussed as a group in RS. Are you really arguing that all content in any notable work can be arbitrarily included in unreferenced list articles under the guideline you reference? Does it seem reasonable that every notable novel or film also have a separate 'list of locations in' article?Dialectric (talk) 13:27, 20 December 2013 (UTC)[reply
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I do realize that a video game is not a book or video, but it is still a work of fiction, so I believe
WP:PSTS, no secondary source is needed unless there is "interpretation". We are not here to decide what is reasonable for all articles. We are here to decide what is reasonable for this article. We are not making policy but instead simply applying it. VMS Mosaic (talk) 05:11, 21 December 2013 (UTC)[reply
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  • A review of Spy Fox in "Dry Cereal" on IGN says that "its characters... have withstood the test of time" here, an Adventure Gamers review says that the "humourous animation" of the characters "makes the game world feel visually alive" [1], and the Los Angeles Times says that the game "involves a cast of zany characters" here. Plenty more citations could be provided for individual characters, but I think six sources should be sufficient to demonstrate that the list "been discussed as a group or set by independent reliable sources". Neelix (talk) 18:59, 21 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
These are all incidental mentions, of a sentence or two at most, which would not be sufficient to establish notability for another software article, and it is unclear why lists of non-notable items should be held to a lesser standard.Dialectric (talk) 16:19, 22 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
It is rare that a group of characters is discussed as a group for more than a sentence or two in a given secondary source; most discussion tends to be of individual characters. In addition to the six sources listed above, here are some more: an
Allgame review here, a SuperKids Software review here, a Metacritic review here. Neelix (talk) 19:53, 22 December 2013 (UTC)[reply
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There are reviews in IGN, Metacritic, Allgame, and PC Magazine, all of which appear on WP:VG/RS. Neelix (talk) 19:56, 22 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Even if there were no secondary sources, both
WP:VG/RS#Video games also allow the game to be used as a source. VMS Mosaic (talk) 09:23, 23 December 2013 (UTC)[reply
]
Relisted
to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mark Arsten (talk) 01:22, 24 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete for lack of reliable secondary sources on which this article could be based, per
    WP:V. General statements such as "the series has funny characters" are obviously not a sufficient basis for content of this level of detail, but could at most be used to reference a similarly general statement in the main article about the series.  Sandstein  12:26, 1 January 2014 (UTC)[reply
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