Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of United States Presidents by first name

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete. Cbrown1023 02:07, 25 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

List of United States Presidents by first name

Delete as rather useless trivia, similar to the list by birthday. Otto4711 14:32, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Can't see any value in having this list •CHILLDOUBT• 14:56, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete trivial to the point of vacuousness. Isn't the main list a sortable table so that those who demand this functionality can have it anyway? Eluchil404 15:10, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Which "main list" are you talking about? Uncle G 00:49, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  - List of United States Presidents but my memory was faulty. My main comment still stands though. Eluchil404 07:20, 19 January 2007 (UTC)[reply
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Delete unless we are going to have listings by middle initial, mother's maiden name, star sign and social security number -
Doc^g 19:05, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply
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Delete someone put alot of work into this, but this is ultimately an arbitrary list with little encyclopedic value.-- danntm ^T _C 19:11, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep' why not? There are also list by middle name, surname, nickname and much more. Why not this? I think that can be useful to somebody, and American Presidents are an important subject, so I think that a list like this deserve his place in wikipedia. At least, it can be merged with the other lists, if you think it doesn't deserve a whole article. But I think that I would create caos. by Snowolf (talk) on 20:52, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

List of United States Presidents by middle name and List of United States Presidents by last name are now both nominated for deletion on the grounds that they are also trivial. Nicknames is more encyclopedic because in many cases the nickname is related to a significant event in the President's personal or political life. I would like to see the Nicknames list better sourced, however. Otto4711 22:59, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I agree with the above that presidential first names is trivial at best, as are middle names and last names. There might be an argument for nicknames having some minor value, since nicknames aren't obvious or well known to most readers and are names given to the person by other people in recognition of some trait or achievement (eg Knowing why Reagan was called "The Teflon President" gives some insight into his personality and presidency).

That being said, I could be pursuaded to change my mind if someone somehow expanded the first-name or middle-name articles to explain why the president's name was significant. If there are interesting stories behind why, for example, President Clinton's parents named him "William Jefferson", then I might be persuaded to think the list has some non-trivial value, maybe. Dugwiki 00:03, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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SkierRMH 05:23, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply
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Delete. There's no point in this list at all. Any basic presidents list on Wikipedia has this information already. 23skidoo 06:20, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete unencyclopaedic trivial trivia as
indiscriminate. Ohconfucius 10:23, 19 January 2007 (UTC)[reply
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Merged with
List of United States Presidential nicknames. The nickname section was not effected, but I did some minor changes to the other names lists, stuff that went beyond trivia. I didn't redirect this article to the nickname page yet, because I wanted to find out what others thought of this first. Jjmillerhistorian 17:29, 19 January 2007 (UTC)[reply
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For the record, I still say, "delete, don't redirect, and remove the merged content" but that's primarily a content dispue which isn't AfD's problem. Eluchil404 15:53, 21 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I combined all three names pages with the Nickname page and modified it. I also deleted the very unnecessary "how many started with each letter" stuff that isn't even trivia. The merged content could be condensed more instead of totally deleted. Jjmillerhistorian 00:12, 24 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I reviewed the content that you merged and still regard it as unencyclopedic and sub-trivial. Anything that can de derived from looking at a list of presidential names and sorting it alphaetically is unnecesary. Eluchil404 01:06, 24 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I see your point. I wasn't as conserned with that being as unnecessary as the other stuff I cut out. I took out the alphabetical lists and left the basic facts. It's interresting than what letter or how many letters a name starts with. I thought it might be a way to expand the nickname article a little more. It isn't alot, but it's better than three separate articles of blah. Jjmillerhistorian 12:01, 24 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.