Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of legislation sponsored by Ron Paul (4th nomination)

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The result was merge to Political positions of Ron Paul. There's clear consensus here to not keep this. Between the possibilities of delete, merge, or redirect, there's no real agreement. Merge seems like a reasonable compromise. I do note that the sole argument to keep was, at least in part, based on arguments put forth in earlier AfDs. Given that those AfDs were 7 or more years ago, it seems like they shouldn't carry much weight today. -- RoySmith (talk) 03:13, 12 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

List of legislation sponsored by Ron Paul

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This is a

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politics-related deletion discussions. MT Train^Talk 18:36, 4 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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• Merge and redirect to Political positions of Ron Paul. When someone has been in government for a long time, they are bound to sponsor legislation (hopefully!). The legislation feeds into the political positions, makes more sense for the two to be in one article. Bkissin (talk) 21:56, 4 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Any time an article is listed again for deletion after having been kept, the nominator really needs to read those discussions carefully and respond to the arguments raised in them, not act as if they are the first to speak. The prior AFD discussions clearly kept this as a
  without explanation as to why he thinks it calls for deletion here). It is not a POV fork nor redundant to any existing article. As for sourcing, the vast majority of entries clearly identify the bill in question. Those entries that do not can obviously be improved, or if proven not verifiable, removed. So as I see no valid argument for deletion here, keep. postdlf (talk) 00:19, 5 January 2019 (UTC)[reply
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  We need RS to demonstrate

  talk) 01:30, 5 January 2019 (UTC)[reply

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  I'd day that "just because" is a terrible reason for keeping an article. --Calton | Talk 04:14, 5 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Elaboration on why I want this deleted: I've been asked to comment on the three past RfCs (which occurred between 2007-2011, i.e. during Paul's presidential campaigns). The first RfC (Dec 2007) wanted a merge with
  talk) 02:10, 5 January 2019 (UTC)[reply
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  • I think you're conflating two things: "unsourced primary content" is an oxymoron because primary sources are sources. What purpose they are reliable for is no more complicated really than secondary sources, and government documents are certainly available to the public and verifiable (a cite to a bill is just another form of
    WP:NOTPAPER. postdlf (talk) 15:44, 5 January 2019 (UTC)[reply
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• Delete/Redirect to Political positions of Ron Paul. Per nom. Listcruft and hero-worshipping, and I see little evidence that the legislation Paul has attached his name to -- as an actual topic -- has gained any media or historical traction. --Calton | Talk 04:14, 5 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • I don't think this kind of in-depth treatment is necessarily hero-worship; a critic of a politician may be just as likely to want to document what they've been involved with as a supporter. postdlf (talk) 20:56, 5 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 07:06, 5 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Merge and redirect to Political positions of Ron Paul. Shashank5988 (talk) 17:13, 7 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge and redirect to Political positions of Ron Paul of the sponsoring that's actually relevant. Functionally all politicians sponsor laws - we don't need lists for all of them, even those laws/sponsoring that get coverage. Merging will be tough - The Political positions article is pretty big, but the relevant sponsoring is going to have to be dragged out a couple at a time and dropped into the appropriate spot. There is already a bit of duplication. Nosebagbear (talk) 13:28, 10 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

As a side note, the 3rd AfD has some of the weirdest Keep justifications I've ever seen accepted. Nosebagbear (talk) 13:30, 10 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - this is mindless trivia by somebody who was never a serious national candidate. This is a list of legislation by a legislator ideologically adverse to legislating. Bearian (talk) 23:05, 11 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's

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