Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of nicknames of pro wrestlers

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The result was delete. \ Backslash Forwardslash / (talk) 11:06, 19 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

List of nicknames of pro wrestlers

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Since I am not comfortable with a CSD tag on this article, I would identify this as WP:LISTCRUFT, and serves no purpose by being here. ArcAngel (talk) 06:57, 12 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment This AFD may now be moot as the page author requested deletion, however the edit was incorrectly reverted as vandalism. As the blanking was reverted, does the author's request still stand? ArcAngel (talk) 04:31, 13 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Ask for a
snowy close. The author's blanking was incorrectly applied. And "moot" doesn't mean that, moot means still open for debate. Darrenhusted (talk) 13:50, 13 October 2009 (UTC)[reply
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  • Comment to the three !votes above: Most of these arguments are not grounds for deletion. "I don't see this ever being useful" or "unencyclopedic" is just WP:IDONTLIKEIT. No RS and copyvio are a true concern, yet AfD is not for cleanup, and this can be dealt on the article talk page: it is more than probable that sources for these nicknames exist. In summary, the article is now really problematic but all of this can be improved; as such these arguments do not make a rationale for deletion. --Cyclopia - talk 21:17, 12 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Actually, they are. You want strict ones normally used? Fine, it fails WP:V and WP:N. TJ Spyke 21:22, 12 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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    WP:N, it seems a common aspect of wrestling culture, and as such notable with respect to the topic. --Cyclopia - talk 22:08, 12 October 2009 (UTC)[reply
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Well, if you want to check the source used you will find that it is an exact copy, word for word, bracket for bracket, of the anglefire page, so how about
WP:WEB? Or CSD A12 (copyvio)? Are you actually looking at the source at the bottom of the article? Darrenhusted (talk) 22:51, 12 October 2009 (UTC)[reply
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I've checked it, thanks, and I am well aware of that. It doesn't mean it cannot be improved anyway. As per the copyvio concern, I don't know exactly USA copyright regulation but I don't understand how a mere list can be considered original work (given how weird is USA copyright I may be wrong however). All what I am saying is basically:
WP:POTENTIAL. --Cyclopia - talk 23:08, 12 October 2009 (UTC)[reply
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Since it retains the structure, format and down to the bracket typography it definitly does fall under "Copyright violation", the general content is not copyrighted no, but just copying it and not doing anything - as clear a copyright violation as it gets. This should be blanked due to copyright violation.  MPJ-DK  (No Drama) Talk  10:08, 13 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Wrestling-related deletion discussions. —♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 22:14, 12 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete: Not notable.--WillC 01:42, 13 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete: not notable--Dcheagle (talk) 02:44, 13 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, this article is listcruft and unmaintainable. There are wrestlers with dozens of nicknames...often, new nicknames are given for every character change or feud. What qualifies a nickname to make the list? Does it have to be long-term? How long is long-term? There are also thousands of wrestlers in the world and throughout history...should independent wrestlers be included? Foreign wrestlers? If so, it will be next to impossible to source them all with reliable sources. Nikki♥311 03:04, 13 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete -- As
    WP:NN.--Truco 503 03:33, 14 October 2009 (UTC)[reply
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You copy and pasted another site, that's a copyright violation. You didn't create the article, you copied it. There is nothing to improve. Darrenhusted (talk) 16:14, 15 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
It's a list, I don't see how that is a copyright violation. For example If I copy and paste a recipe to make cake, I'm certain that would not be a copyright violation. I did create the small introduction at the beginning, and made some modifications to the list, so I did not simply copy and paste the entire thing. and lastly there is lots to improve. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Preparationh (talk • contribs) 20:04, 16 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, if you took a recipe on another website and copied it to make a page on Wikipedia it would be a copyright violation. You took the page (right down to the placement of brackets) and copied it, wholesale. That you have since added an alphabetical index and added an intro does not change that fact. You started with a copyright violation, you did not create this article. To be an original work you would have to start by making it yourself, and each name would have to have several references, and each name would have to have a reference after them. However none of that would raise this to a level that met the GNG. Plagiarism is not the starting point for articles. Darrenhusted (talk) 20:18, 16 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Plagiarism is no good, but we can improve until it becomes no more plagiarism. --Cyclopia - talk 22:38, 16 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I've change the list a lot, so right now there's a big difference of what I copied. I think the cake recipe was a bad example of what I was trying to say (I meant to say a cake in general not a specific kind of cake) a better example would be if I copy and paste a list of hockey team players, that wouldn't be a copyright violation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Preparationh (talk • contribs) 01:10, 17 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, it would. If another website lists the player of a hockey team with specific information and in a specific order (as the list you copied did, including all the parentheses and brackets) then you would violate the copyright of that site, even if you did not do it for profit. If you complied the same information from several sources then it would not be a violation. Copy and paste form one single site is always a breach of copyright. Learn that now before it gets you into trouble. And this list still fails the GNG. Darrenhusted (talk) 00:25, 18 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - A nickname should be mentioned in an individual wrestler's article, not as a composite list in a stand-alone article. LucyDoo (talk) 19:18, 18 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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