Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Los Angeles in popular culture (2nd nomination)

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The result was delete. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 23:35, 27 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Los Angeles in popular culture

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How times change. The last AfD from 4 years ago was a strong keep, with nobody but the nominator (

TVTropic list, unless someone rewrites this during the ongoing discussion (then we can preserve the old content in the article's history). _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 12:10, 20 May 2022 (UTC)[reply

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Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Fictional elements, Popular culture, Lists, and United States of America. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 12:10, 20 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per the precedent established at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Far future in fiction to make way for a proper article. The list has only a smattering of sources regarding specific entries and makes no credible claim of significance for its topic. –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 12:30, 20 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of California-related deletion discussions. –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 12:32, 20 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete There's List of television shows set in Los Angeles and List of films set in Los Angeles so I'm not sure what the point of this (wildly incomplete) duplication is. Reywas92^Talk 13:56, 20 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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WP:NLIST? Something to consider in the future... _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 08:32, 21 May 2022 (UTC)[reply
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Disambiguate: Pointing to
WP:OR here. Allright, as there are currently hardly any sources present, I do see the problem with what to include as notable with regard to the topic. So I suggest to, for the time being, change this to a disambiguation page, basically keeping and expanding the See also section, until someone expands it to a proper prose article or a list with more clearly defined inclusion criterea. This would also preserve what we currently have in the history, which I see as a benefit as experience has shown that some entries will be significant and will appear in secondary sources. Daranios (talk) 14:10, 20 May 2022 (UTC)[reply
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@Daranios The sources you found seem to be about Los Angeles in fiction, not Los Angeles in popular culture. Recently I've been thinking about the distinction between such topics, which is a bit hard to pin down. Related to this is the issue whether we need to standardize some article's names. Might be worth discussing at Wikipedia:WikiProject Popular Culture, which is sadly inactive. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 08:36, 21 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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WP:AtD. Daranios (talk) 19:25, 21 May 2022 (UTC)[reply
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@Daranios I think the name cultural depictions of Los Angeles would be even better (broadest). Pop culture doesn't cover 'classics', and 'in fiction' does seem limiting when it comes to weird stuff like music, culinary applications, LEGO models, historical reenactment, whatever. I'll probably start an RfC somewhere, and ping many folks active here (regarding mass renaming of all 'in fiction'/'in popular culture' articles to 'cultural depictions of'. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 09:31, 22 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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WP:LISTN against WP:AtD-M for not good reason, but there it is. Changing to "in culture" would open the article to more input, which might solve notability concerns (again, which I don't share) by another route. It does, however, beg the question what to include. Are there some new corners of Category:Culture of Los Angeles that we then would need to think about? So that might be better suited to solve at the more general discussion you have started. Daranios (talk) 10:13, 23 May 2022 (UTC)[reply
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Delete I stand by what I said in the last AFD. This is just an unverifiable mess, and no one arguing to "keep" in the last AFD gave a concrete reason. The concept is just a random
WP:NOTTVTROPES violation that by design calls for a garden variety of unsourced trivia. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 14:19, 20 May 2022 (UTC)[reply
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Delete - An actual article on the topic would very likely be notable. This list is not, being a ridiculously broad attempt to seemingly list every time that Los Angeles has appeared in fiction, no matter how brief or unimportant that appearance was. There is zero prose text discussing the concept here, and zero reliable sources that would be usable anywhere else, just a list of mostly terrible trivia. Any potential article or section on the actual topic would not benefit at all from the preservation of this list. Additionally, as Reywas92 pointed out, we already have lists serving a navigational purpose for the notable works set in LA, making this list redundant on top of everything else. Rorshacma (talk) 15:28, 20 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete If no reliable independent sources can be found on a topic, Wikipedia should not have an article about it, according to
WP:NOT compatible with Wikipedia policies. Shooterwalker (talk) 18:20, 20 May 2022 (UTC)[reply
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Delete don't think we should entertain a disambig. AnM2002 (talk) 10:08, 21 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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